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Harpyr
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posted May 10, 2006 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm watching a documentary right now called The Corporation and they just threw out a statistic that shocked me. I mean, I knew that cancer rates were shockingly high these days but I had no idea just how bad it was. I had to pause the show and go look it up to verify and I am flabbergasted.

In the U.S., according to the American Cancer Society,

1 in 2 men will get cancer in their lifetime.

1 in 3 women will get cancer in their lifetime.


I have no words to express the depth of my outrage and shock at this moment.

How could we let it get this bad?
When will we wake up and realize we can no longer allow ourselves to live in this toxic soup of synthetic chemicals??????

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posted May 10, 2006 07:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Or eat it, drink it, pop pills of it, inject it into our bodies and have it injected into the bodies of our children...

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pidaua
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posted May 10, 2006 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well.. with people living so long and medical care being what it is (the best ever) we see people dying of cancer.

When our cells divide they go through Meosis and Mitosis. I won't bore you with the steps. But as we age the cells become less and less effective. The telomeres start to wear out (that is NOT a medical term- I am speaking in laymen terms incase some wacknut wants to google telomeres).

In any case, cells become dysfunctional and end up multiplying without end. The cellular signal that tells them to stop fails and they over run the area. Thus we begin to see dysplastic cells - Cancer.

Some can be stopped, some can't

If we all live long enough we will ALL die of cancer- provided we are not hit by a bus, killed in a car accident, etc....

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Petron
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posted May 10, 2006 08:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
an informative article......

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U.S. Reshaping Cancer Strategy As Incidence in Children Rises


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By JOHN H. CUSHMAN JR.
Published: September 29, 1997

The rate of cancer among American children has been rising for decades. Although the reasons remain unclear, many experts suspect the increase may be partly the result of growing exposure to new chemicals in the environment.

That suspicion, while still unproved, is beginning to shape Federal research priorities and environmental strategies.

Depending on which types of cancer are counted, and in what age groups among the nation's youth, the rate of increase has amounted to nearly 1 percent a year, according to the National Cancer Institute.

Over a few decades, that has meant striking double-digit increases.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9C01E2D8123AF93AA1575AC0 A961958260

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Harpyr
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posted May 10, 2006 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
pidaua,

So are you saying that you don't think environmental factors play a role in the increase in cancer rates?

I think longer life spans may place some role in the increase but I do not think that comes even close to explaining the whole picture. Especially as evidenced by the increases in childhood cancers that Petron so wisely pointed out..
Here's another sad article that relates to this topic-
China's "Cancer Villages" Pay Heavy Price for Economic Progress

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Petron
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posted May 10, 2006 09:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
damn commies!!

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Petron
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posted May 10, 2006 10:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
tel·o·mere -n.--Either of the sections of DNA occurring at the ends of a chromosome.

are located at the two ends of a linear chromosome and consist of simple repeating sequences usually consisting of a short TG-rich repeat. . Proteins that assemble at telomeres form a structure that is resistant to recombination and DNA degradation, events that occur at DNA ends. Telomeres act as specialized origin of replication that allows the cell to replicate the ends of the chromosomes.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&defl=en&q=defin e:telomeres&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title



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Petron
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posted May 10, 2006 10:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No definitions were found for wacknut.

Suggestions:

- Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
- Search the Web for documents that contain "wacknut"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=define%3Awacknut&btnG=Search

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Harpyr
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posted May 11, 2006 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
petron... you silly goose..
you always make me chuckle even during the darkest discussions..

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Iqhunk
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posted May 11, 2006 06:25 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Harpyr,
Noah crossed 950 years, Methuselah cleared 977 years. One reason is they did not know too much about ageing or Cancer or Telomers.
Whatever you focus too much on, you attract.
Focus on immortality and health, you just have to become healthy and immortal

About Cancer cells, they die in an alkaline environment. Our blood serum Ph value is alkaline [7.4, 7.0 being neutral and anything less being acidic].

If your diet is more alkaline than acidic, you cannot get Cancer even if you want to, and any Cancer patient who alkalinizes the body WILL BE CURED, though cleaning up the dead cancer cells is an ardous chore for the body. The Murderers who have invented and invested in expensive Cancer Therapy and radiation equipment will never allow this truth to come out and so you have to study
this on your own and apply your own mind.
www.cancertutor.org

Also, notice how Linda Goodman's immortality chapter in Star Signs slowly creates a transition to an alkaline diet.

Do you know what the acidic diet is?
Pepsi, Coke, Aspartame, Pizzas, Burgers, Processed foods, white sugar, salt, pasta and all meats.

Is it any wonder that the masses today are more susceptible to Cancer ? They are being advertized to death by the Controllers who want to drastically cut down human population, and make profits from it as well.

With true knowledge, one need not fear any disease. There is new research ( it maybe suppressed soon by the Governments) will be on Neuropeptides created in the brain that infleunce our immune system. SunChild had an article on that in Health and Healing.

Think smart, be happy and be healthy

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posted May 11, 2006 09:30 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Couldn't have told better, IQ.

I will have to say the ancient Indian knowledge which suggests of Ayurveda, knew exactly what this is all about, and a balanced life style never invites diseases. the more materialistic we become, the more problems we invite. But the kind of ads and marketting that is happennign around, whom are we to blame?

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pidaua
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posted May 11, 2006 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are you kidding Harypr?

Of course I am not saying that environment doesn't play a role in Cancer. Is absolutely does, as does genetic predisposition, diet and lifestyle (which can include all three).

I also think children are more at risk for Cancer due to our love of processed foods, grease and poultry that is loaded with hormones and antibiotics. One of the things I studied was the increase in Campylobacter infections and the poulty industry. Birds are given Baytril (the animal form of Ciprofloxacin) in their water to keep from Campy infections. In turn we see an increase in AB resistant Campy which is then transferred to humans if not properly cooked.

When I worked for the East Coast University Vet Resources I watched as Research Veterinarians would pump a Rhesus monkey with one large dose of Baytril for diarrhea which in turn would create a boatload of AB resistant Campy (They normally came in with Campy and instead of using a lesser AB for a period of time to actually kill ALL the bacteria - they thought a nice loading dose- bolus- would suffice).

Meanwhile, I'd find the resistant strains when I did the monthly health checks and realized that all of my AB sensitivity disks were decorative at best and the bacteria had complete resistance.

So yes, environment and chemical exposure does play into it in a big way.

There is also another argument that the over exposure of all things antiseptic, antibiotic etc.. in soaps, shampoos, wipes, sprays have rendered our immune systems less equipt to handle various exposures. We sometimes place our kids in a bubble basically disinfecting them at every turn.

In the same vein I would have to say that this is not something that we just blame on corporations which so many would LOVE to do.

I would also advise people to thoroughly research any homeopathic or pharmaceutical remedy before jumping on it so that they do not endanger themselves or others. With everything there is a risk.


Petron,

Great way to google. Not sure what compelled you unless that is just your way of being a smart a$$. Then again, maybe it will get people to actually do a little DNA research and learn about cellular division and cancer on a more physiological basis.

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sue g
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posted May 11, 2006 01:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"the ancient Indian knowledge"

Moon and IQ....wonderful, wonderful stuff......

Gives hope for all !!!

My father actually cured himself of cancer through proper diet and positive affirmation. The doctors said he should have snuffed it years ago....

He is still here.....and will be 80 next year.

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Iqhunk
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posted May 11, 2006 02:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
God Bless your Dad Sue!
Hes the man
No one need die of Cancer or any disease.
All that modern scientists do is carefully document the manifested cellular process of mental suicide as expressed through physical reality using fanciful latin terminology.

Please encourage him to tell his story. And also encourage him to try the Reverse Spiral technique. Just a matter of few years, and all truth will have to be revealed. Just today I heard the "official" acceptance that Dolphins communicate, call by name and so on. Linda already told us in Star Signs and many psychics told decades ago that Dolphins are advanced.

Maybe a few light workers have infiltrated the scientific community

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pidaua
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posted May 11, 2006 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmmm. IQ, you sure have a bias against the Scientific community - guess that is just another one on your list of "groups and people" to rail against.

Somehow I expected more from one so incredibly enlightened.

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sue g
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posted May 11, 2006 03:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Dad who is very sceptical about anything spiritual....

Told me that he new a man once who healed himself of sharpnel wounds by deep breathing......

I said to him "Dad how do you think that happened" and he replied "mind over matter dear"

Ooohh I felt so uplifted by that story....

God bless my Dad

And thanks guys for the encouragement !!!!!

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Harpyr
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posted May 11, 2006 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for clairifying, pidaua. Naw.. I didn't honestly think you were saying that.. I know that you are a scientist, after all. But since your first post didn't mention environmental factors at all, it seemed you were just trying to be contrary and I wanted to draw alittle agreeance out of you. Y'know, despite our deep differences, it's okay to agree sometimes..

iqhunk, I agree that diet has a maaajor part to play in the prevalence of cancer but I also think an equally big part of the blame must be placed upon all of the synthetic chemicals that we slather on our hair and skin, that we clean our houses with (to a compulsive degree), that we build our homes with, that spew forth from our industries into our air and water and soil.. chemicals that are implicated in the causing of cancer surround us everywhere all the time in this country unless you go to great lengths to avoid them and that only eliminates some of them.. some cannot be avoided at all.

And while perhaps all the blame cannot be placed on corporations for this, a great deal of it needs to be.. blame must also be placed on our ineffective regulatory agencies and the aquiescing media for allowing mainstream American to remain largely in the dark about the extent of the the problem.

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Thomas Jefferson to George Logan, 1816: "I hope we shall... crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country."

"According to Business Week, the average CEO [Chief Executive Officer] made 42 times the average blue-collar worker's pay in 1980, 85 times in 1990 and a staggering 531 times in 2000."
-- AFL-CIO "Executive Paywatch"

"Of course, I have as much power as the President has."
-- Bill Gates, in "The Truth, The Whole Truth, and Nothing But The Truth", Wired, November 2000

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posted May 12, 2006 02:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Harpyr,
Yup, there are several carcinogenic chemicals but the biggest danger is mental negativity and closed mindedness. What is the scientific explanation for Sue's dad healing himself? There is one true explanation. Mind over matter.

A 11 year chronic pain in my knee, no allopathic doctor could cure it. Gone in 3 days of visualization and Auric negativity release.

David Blaine should be a dead man by now but he is breaking all records of survival.

The Ph balance is also just a temporary cure, the real cure is to accept the reality of Physical Immortality, or atleast accept the reality of Self Healing.

Forget me, I am insignificant. I will tell you about a man who towers like a collossus above any so called qualified person, a man who interviewd 500 of the richest and most accomplished men in America.

He is Napoleon Hill.

Before his "death", he wrote a book "Think and Grow Rich with Peace of Mind". Many are familiar with the earlier book but not too many know about this masterpiece, where he gets contacted by a Tibetan brotherhood of immortals.

His conclusion after actually applying the very scientific principles of objective observation (which todays scientists unfortunately do not apply when a subject matter is outside their frame of reference)
is "Whatever the Mind believes, the Mind Achieves". Tested on 500 multi millionaires and several thousands of his readers.

If you stop the fear of Cancer and believe in permanent health and youth, you just HAVE to attain it. Give your Mind a chance


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sue g
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posted May 12, 2006 04:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A year or so ago, i received a call from a woman who complained of a fibroid growth. The docs were about to take her into hospital to have it removed.

I trained as a healer and said I would be willing to work around it....nothing to lose!!!

When I saw her she looked about 6months pregnant. After two healing sessions it disappeared. The docs were gobsmacked.....so was she...

Just a simple case of mind over matter (and between you and I when I had my hands on her I told the damn thing to GO GO GO...and it did)....

Who knows for sure....but with an open mind and heart, anything can be achieved...

love
Sue

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pidaua
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posted May 12, 2006 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No Worries Harpyr. I agree with you that the corporations are somewhat to blame but not wholey to blame.

I also believe our Medical community needs to take some responsibility for the over prescribing of medications when they aren't needed or are contraindicated. For example, a patient comes in with the flu and demands antibiotics. Come on, AB's can't touch a virus, only secondary infections caused by the virus AFTER the person has taken only half the dose and then decided to quit.

People need to also step up and take responsibility in researching various methods - whether they believe in medical doctors, shaman, healers or gurus. The point is, we put to much faith in Science or Spiritual Healing.

By that I mean, think of the patient that is on several blood thinners and a blood pressure medication- he feels woozie, bruises all the time and can't stop bleeding. BUT, he WON'T question the doctor because he believes the doctor is infallible.

I am just as skeptical of anyone proclaiming that mind over matter cures 100% of what ailes you and if you don't heal then obviously you are not spiritual enough or you're faith is only subpar.

I DO believe in healers, I DO believe in using herbs to cure and mind over matter in certain situations, as long as it is backed up by the medical community in the form of a recheck.

Telling someone to deposit $100 dollars per healing session, saying some chants and seeing some improvement means nothing if the tests don't verify that the cancer IS in remission, the tumor is gone etc...

Science cannot explain faith. Science cannot explain evolution 100%. Science is just as fallible as any other discipline- but used to back up basic principles or to prove that yes, the ruptured disk has somehow healed, is like combining male and female into one part.

Both have to work together instead of at war. At the same time, when faith healing doesn't work, then it's time to look at other options. Always remember, one has the power to refuse treatment at all times.

My grandmother (a very spiritual woman) was diagnosed with a lung tumor and consequently, cancer in January 2001. They told her to take tons of drugs (chemo, radiation combined with surgery...etc.) and she would still be dead by March.

We discussed her options. It was my opinion that yes, maybe surgery could help her, but at what risk? Did she really want to endure chemo or live life to the fullest knowing that she was one step closer to the Creator? She took her vitamins, refused treatment and lived until December 27, 2001. By sheer will she made it through the holidays and didn't break down until after Thanksgiving when finally the Cancer had ravished her entire body. Still, she never gave up her faith, always knew that she would be in a better place. We stood by her side and let her die a dignified death, only giving her the pain killers when she requested them (which was NOT often). An aside to that whole pain killer thing - Oxycontin and Oxycodone are horrible little pills. They get the person hooked and to stop the pain of withdrawal the person needs more. My grandmother's initial hospice idiot tried to OD her on that crap until we stepped in and took control.

Turned out giving her a bit of my uncles Xanax was enough to take the edge off and bring her to full lucidity.

She died in peace - after leaving my mother with a blessing.

Science and Faith both play important roles in life. TO believe in only one and discount anything to do in the other is insane - but that is my opinion. Hell, I have seen some pretty strange things- like people that preach meditation and enlightenment, rail against Capitalism yet invest quite extensively in the US Stock Market and brag about their portfolios.

It's just so odd.....

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DayDreamer
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posted May 12, 2006 07:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hehe Petron, ya you are a silly...wacko?1? I like your sense of humour.

Sueg, God bless your father and yourself

Good points all!

Totally agree with this pidaua,

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Science and Faith both play important roles in life.

I'm very scientfic minded, but that doesn't mean I negate things that can't be thought out logically or that haven't been proven, (yet?). Most things aren't so logical, or black and white.

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pidaua
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posted May 12, 2006 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ya got that right DD

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TINK
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posted May 12, 2006 07:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Science and Faith both play important roles in life.

yup Spirituality w/o scientific thinking sucks. And vice cersa of course.

I believe in mind over matter too but I do hold that if the soul wishes to move on - and the soul sometimes has it's reasons - then all the positive thinking and alkaline diets in the world won't prevent that departure. 'Course the fact that we're all drowning in a toxic chemical soup doesn't help much, does it?


Petron ~ ya still got it.

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Petron
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posted May 12, 2006 08:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hehee =P

if you do the google web search for "wacknut" you'll find one of pidauas' posts from LL on page 13 ...

i noticed more often than not when someone uses the term "wacknut" theyre usually referring to 'leftists' and 'liberals'....

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pidaua
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posted May 12, 2006 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LMAO... put pidaua in Google and you will find tons of my posts from LL... LMAO...

I do use that word alot - not just for leftist libbies, but also for anyone that I deem to be well... a wacknut


Kisses All... It's time for me to go home and enjoy the full moon tonight above the Mountains of Beautiful Bisbee


Ahhh....if only my honey was home from Germany!!!!

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