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Mirandee
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posted May 11, 2006 10:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is really delusional is thinking that the U.S.A is still a democracy.


Judge Orders World Can't Wait Activist to Jail Psych Unit

CAROL FISHER REMAINS STRONG AND UNAPOLOGETIC

May 9: Judge Timothy McGinty forcibly incarcerated Carol Fisher in the psych unit of the Cuyahoga County Jail in downtown Cleveland, where she now sits for an indefinite period of time.

In a hastily called hearing yesterday, Judge McGinty made a highly unusual and outrageous decision to force Carol to undergo a state psychological exam as part of her pre-sentencing investigation. From the very start of Carol's case, the judge has openly said that she must have mental problems for resisting an unlawful and brutal encounter with Cleveland Heights police. He went even further in yesterday's hearing, saying that her opposition to the Bush regime makes her "delusional."

The small courtroom on the 21st floor of the Justice Center was ringed with 5 armed court bailiffs. McGinty started off the hearing by making Carol stand up and had one of her attorneys read her t-shirt, which said:

"Wanted for Illegally Crossing Borders: The Bush Regime

"If you are going to insist that crossing borders illegally is a crime which cannot be tolerated, how about George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice (and yes, Colin Powell) and the rest of that gang, with their highly illegal, and violent, 'crossing of the border'-into Iraq, among other places?!"

McGinty then said this was proof of her delusion! He also kept saying Carol "wants" to go to jail, and that she has a "martyr complex." When Carol tried to explain why she wouldn't take this test, the judge's only response was, "I do not negotiate with felons."

Does Carol really want to go to jail? No! But she is not willing to comply with a vindictive court ordered test to "prove" her sanity. And more than that, she is taking a stand for everyone who is angry and fearful of a government that, under the rubric of "national security and the war on terror," willfully and unapologetically tramples on the most basic rights of privacy. Think about this in light of the NSA spying scandal, and now Bush wants to install the head of the notorious NSA to be CIA chief! As Carol said before she went to jail, "I'd be crazy to go along with this **** ! That which you will not resist and mobilize to stop, you will learn--or be forced--to accept."

Just look at this whole case: a woman posts a "Bush Step Down" poster on a telephone pole, being brutalized by the police in the process, and now not only faces 3 years in prison but also a mandatory psych exam. As Terry Gilbert, one of Carol's attorneys said, "This is Gulag stuff--saying that people who are dissidents are crazy." He further added that in his 33 years of practicing law, he has never seen anything like this.

Is this the kind of country you want to live in?

On the phone this morning, Carol Fisher stated that, in addition to sending her to the psych unit, McGinty has also put her on "suicide watch"! They have taken away her eyeglasses. And if she refuses the psych exam, she will be forcibly sent to North Coast Mental Institute for a 20 day evaluation.

Legal challenges are continuing, including seeking a writ of habeas corpus.

When the transcripts are available to the public, they will show how outrageous this hearing was.

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jwhop
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posted May 11, 2006 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leftists are delusional and highly susceptible to suggestion. Evidence, the delusion the Iraq war, fully authorized by the United States Congress, is illegal.

In America, Congress makes the laws within the framework of the Constitution and authorizes war or not....not the United Nations, not France, not Germany, not Russia, not India, not Syria, not Iran, not China and certainly not the enemies of America.

Any other opinion is delusional at best and possibly a sign of deep seated psychosis.

While one can disagree with the policy and even disagree Congress should have such authority to declare war; to declare the act of Congress to authorize war, as provided in the United States Constitution,...illegal, is at best delusional and reasonable cause to seek a professional medical opinion as to one's mental health.


[Michael Savage diagnoses "the mental disorder of liberalism" -- and offers a comprehensive cure-all
Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder
by Michael Savage

With grit, guts, and gusto, Michael Savage has made his talk show The Savage Nation a must-hear by fearlessly telling it like it is. Night after night, Savage savages today's rabid liberalism with verve and precision, speaking truths that other public figures are too politically correct or afraid to say. In his new book, Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder, he lays it on the line: "You will not have a nation," he says, "unless you awaken to the reality that America has become pacified; America has become feminized; and America is being compromised from without and within. You cannot let them get away with this. Can America be saved? Is it too late? I believe that with God's will and with your determination to confront the mental disorder of liberalism whenever and wherever it is found, America can both survive and thrive." In this book, he shows how.

In this third installment of his bold, biting, and bestselling trilogy, Savage offers provocative and practical ways to reclaim our social, political, and cultural integrity. Through a compelling narrative of current trends and events, Savage chronicles the continued assault on the sacred pillars of American life (the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Ten Commandments, the Sanctity of Marriage) by the High Priests of Ultra-Liberalism. In each chapter, the Savage Spotlight of Truth casts its brilliant light on the tactics used by liberals to spread their leftist agenda. Savage follows his analysis with specific actions, arguments, and recommendations for action that the reader can ingest to counter the radical left.
Savage has long insisted that America's best days are in front of her -- if only we have the guts to face the truth and apply ourselves to repairing the foundation upon which this blessed nation was formed. The doctor is in and the diagnosis is clear: in Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder, Michael Savage provides a remedy to help freedom-loving Americans effectively medicate the mental disease of modern liberalism and restore America's former brilliance.


Savage on:

Modern liberalism: "made in much the same way as a sausage -- it's a blend of fascist, Communist, and socialist ideologies from twentieth century Europe, with a pinch of Nazism, all ground together, yet retaining the flavor of its various parts"

Homeland security: "We need more Pattons and less patent leather . . . Real homeland security begins when we arrest, interrogate, jail or deport known operatives within our own borders . . . One dirty bomb can ruin your whole day"

Iraq's future: "Iraq cannot become a melting pot as long as it insists on a national religion -- especially when that religion is Islam which . . . has zero tolerance for those with nonconforming views"

The National Lawyers Guild and MoveOn.org: "I believe it's time for the heads of . . . left-wing agitation groups who are using the courts to impose their will on the sheeple to be prosecuted under the federal RICO statutes"

The ACLU: "The head of the snake is the American Civil Liberties Union, which fashions itself as the de facto fourth branch of government"

Illegal immigration: "I envision an Oil for Illegals program . . . the President should demand one barrel of oil from Mexico for every illegal alien that sneaks into our country"

Madonna and her newfound spirituality: "Here's a woman who made a career as a pseudo-pornographic belly dancer cavorting with a whip, and now suddenly after having a baby she pretends to be a holy woman"

Lawsuit abuse: "Pass tort reform now. . . . Lawyers are like red wine. Everything in moderation. Today we have far too many lawyers, and we're suffering from cirrhosis of the economy"

Gay activism masquerading as civil rights: "Somehow I can't picture Martin Luther King, Jr., marching in makeup and a miniskirt to hold a vigil at the state capital for the rights of drag queens"

Why patriotic Democrats should leave the party: "As they are pulled farther in by the fringe soothsayers and the Pied Pipers of the Democrat Party, they become gulled into believing in the lessening or dissolution of America's sovereignty and in embracing an allegiance to 'European' (i.e. socialist) concepts"

Our porous borders: "Any nation who refuses to control her borders is not just suffering from a mental disorder, they're tip-toeing at the ledge of a skyscraper"

Rousing the sleeping giant: "The 9/11 attack on America by the Islamofascists . . . may eventually be seen as the turning point where America breaks free of the chains of socialist oppression"

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Mirandee
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posted May 11, 2006 11:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Our nation was founded on dissent, Jwhop. So I guess you are saying that our founding fathers and the authors of the Constitution were delusional.

Excuse me. Wasn't it the Bush administrations idea just a couple of months ago to secure our borders by turning our major ports over to an Arab nation that refused to cooperate with the U.S. in finding Osama bin Laden? It was us delusional liberals along with some apparently equally delusional Republicans who squelched that little back room deal to sell out our nation. And I would bet that you were all in favor of that because Bush wanted it. Right?

I fail to see what the hell the borders have to do with the article I posted anyway.

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posted May 11, 2006 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dissent is one thing. Declaring the Constitutional authority of Congress to authorize war...illegal is delusional.

Dissent can and does take many forms. Attacking the Constitution is a direct attack on the underpinnings of America itself. That's not dissent; that delusion.

One can demonstrate for an amendment to the Constitution forbidding certain kinds of activity but one does not declare the duly constituted powers of the United States Congress to be illegal; that's delusional.

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Petron
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posted May 11, 2006 05:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh yeah, this guy is really in a position to speak about mental disorders......


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From the June 23 nationally syndicated radio show Savage Nation:

SAVAGE: I'd like to see them [Muslim extremists] hanging from lampposts in the entire Middle East. I'd like to see the Muslim world rise up en masse. ... [T]hen I as an American will believe -- and you know what I'll believe? I'll believe there's a difference between the two. Not until then. Otherwise, until I see that day, that they're strung up from lampposts, they're lying to me. And that they're really secretly getting off on these murderers, because they don't have the guts to do it themselves. Okay, that's when I'll believe in the heart of hearts -- when I see them hanging from lampposts, with their guts hanging out, then I'll believe that there's a difference between radical Islam and the rest of Islam over there. But if I don't see that -- if I don't see the massive uprising against them, I can only assume that they're the shock troops of all of Islam in the Middle East. How do you like that? That's my opinion. I'm not George Bush running for office, and this message was approved by Michael Savage.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200406250006


From the April 17 edition of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:

SAVAGE: There are too many RDDBs [red-diaper doper babies, Savage's term for people supposedly raised by Marxist parents] in high places and in the media and in the courts for us to stand up to this fanatical enemy. And so unless the RDDB is reined in somehow or taken out of power, we're going to die as a nation. I swear to God that's what people are saying to me. And these are intelligent people, wealthy people. They are very depressed by the weakness that America is showing to these psychotics in the Muslim world. They say, "Oh, there's a billion of them."I said, "So, kill 100 million of them, then there'll be 900 million of them." I mean, would you rather die -- would you rather us die than them? I mean, what is it going to take for you people to wake up? Would you rather we disappear or we die? Or would you rather they disappear and they die? Because you're going to have to make that choice sooner rather than later.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200604190001

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Mirandee
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posted May 11, 2006 06:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That Savage guy goes beyond delusional all the way to psychotic. Very violent too.

You're right, Petron, for him to speak of mental disorders is ridiculous when he is so obviously certifiably insane himself. In fact he sounds every bit as bad as the terrorists who chop off peoples heads and drag their bodies through the street.

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posted May 11, 2006 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rofl, I used to listen to Savage, too.

Truly outrageous, Mirandee. Activist judges at work, again.

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jwhop
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posted May 11, 2006 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Savage has it right.

If those in Islam won't stand up, denounce and punish the radical murderous scum within their ranks then the only conclusion one can draw is that they side with the murderous scum within their own ranks.

If true then there will be a real war and not the kind of war the US and coalition forces have been waging in Iraq. It will be the kind of war waged against Germany and Japan. When that war is over, there will be a lot of smoking holes in the desert where cities once stood.

If there are any in Islam who are so called moderates, who are willing to peacefully co-exist with their neighbors and the rest of the world, then now is the time to stand up and prove it. Talk is cheap.

But, the Islamic doctrine calls for global conquest and conversion to Islam...or else and those are the voices coming out of Islam heard around the world.

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Mystic Gemini
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posted May 11, 2006 08:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you can add Jwhop to that list also.

Violent, Evil, Racist, And Retarded :/


I'm sorry but you must be brainwashed or you just don't get out that often :x


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posted May 11, 2006 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry TP but I really don't care what you think...scratch that...feel.

Because I've seen what you think...ummm feel, I know you're not capable of rational thought.

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Mirandee
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posted May 12, 2006 02:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It sounds like you are actually advocating a nuclear war against Islam, Jwhop.

The way that you talk drags you down to the same level as the people you call barbaric. Your thinking is no different than Osama bin Laden's and the other Islamic fundalmentalists.

You become what you fight, you become what you hate and you are proof of that, Jwhop.

MG's thinking is a hell of lot more rational than yours is. A hell of lot more sane.

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posted May 12, 2006 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It sounds like you are actually advocating a nuclear war against Islam, Jwhop....Mirandee

The President of Iran is threatening a nuclear attack on Israel and threatening to attack the US. That same insane Islamofascist sent Bush a letter, a prelude to an attack wherein America is to convert to Islam...or else.

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You become what you fight, you become what you hate and you are proof of that, Jwhop....Mirandee

Bullsh*t when it was first said and bullsh*t every time it's repeated. All the lefts little catechisms are bullsh*t.

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MG's thinking is a hell of lot more rational than yours is. A hell of lot more sane....Mirandee

It's amusing to see one blustering, blathering, bombastic, delusional irrational deliver a ringing endorsement for another blustering, blathering, bombastic, delusional irrational...on rationality and sanity.

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posted May 12, 2006 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do agree that Iran is the country that is one step away from declaring an all out war.

Threatening to attack Isreal, threatening to attack the US (why should we convert to Islam? Do you HEAR what that lunatic is saying?)

Mirandee / MG, if you were alive in the days of Hitler, would you take the same stand? Would you advocate the US to stand down, let millions of Jewish and non-Jewish people be murdered, as well as watch as countries are decimated by Germany, Russia etc..?


It is a HUGE misnomer to think that people LOVE war. That because we advocate fighting for the rights of others and FOR THE PROTECTION of the US we are hate filled, violent people. TO say that We WANT to send our sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters to die in war is another stupid myth promoted by the far left.

No one wants to see our people die. The only Soldiers that WANT to go to war to kill or to fight are either stupid or have never been to war. They go because they have a duty and they believe in what we are doing.


Again.... what ARE we going to do when Iran decides to shoot off a nuke? What is your plan Mirandee and MG if you were President? Would you let Isreal be attacked, watch the TV as millions of men, women and children suffer from a nuclear attack and the subsequent radiation poisoning?

What happens if the Iranians blow New York City off the map? What then? Just declare it unlivable and walk away? Then b1tch about how Bush should have known better and prevented it? Just like she should have prevented Katrina?

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SAVAGE: I'd like to see them [Muslim extremists] hanging from lampposts in the entire Middle East. I'd like to see the Muslim world rise up en masse. ... [T]hen I as an American will believe -- and you know what I'll believe? I'll believe there's a difference between the two. Not until then. Otherwise, until I see that day, that they're strung up from lampposts, they're lying to me. And that they're really secretly getting off on these murderers, because they don't have the guts to do it themselves. Okay, that's when I'll believe in the heart of hearts -- when I see them hanging from lampposts, with their guts hanging out, then I'll believe that there's a difference between radical Islam and the rest of Islam over there. But if I don't see that -- if I don't see the massive uprising against them, I can only assume that they're the shock troops of all of Islam in the Middle East. How do you like that? That's my opinion. I'm not George Bush running for office, and this message was approved by Michael Savage.

Spoken like a true terrorist. He's one of them, so maybe he should be hanging from a lamppost, with his guts hanging out of course, too. Oh but that would be cruel and wouldnt quite be fair because he's got a mental disorder.


The other one with a mental disorder says:

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Savage has it right.
If those in Islam won't stand up, denounce and punish the radical murderous scum within their ranks then the only conclusion one can draw is that they side with the murderous scum within their own ranks.

If true then there will be a real war and not the kind of war the US and coalition forces have been waging in Iraq. It will be the kind of war waged against Germany and Japan. When that war is over, there will be a lot of smoking holes in the desert where cities once stood.

If there are any in Islam who are so called moderates, who are willing to peacefully co-exist with their neighbors and the rest of the world, then now is the time to stand up and prove it. Talk is cheap.

But, the Islamic doctrine calls for global conquest and conversion to Islam...or else and those are the voices coming out of Islam heard around the world.


Actually...you know what Im not even going to reply to this...because you are full of sh!t!!

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Petron
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posted May 12, 2006 07:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
better kill those hundred million now, because it going to happen either way, according to savage and jwhop......


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And so unless the RDDB is reined in somehow or taken out of power, we're going to die as a nation. I swear to God that's what people are saying to me. And these are intelligent people, wealthy people.--michael savage


that also sounds to me like savage wants the 'liberal traitors' hanging from a post with their guts ripped out too......

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posted May 12, 2006 07:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These type of people are criminals and should be locked up!

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posted May 12, 2006 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"that also sounds to me like savage wants the 'liberal traitors' hanging from a post with their guts ripped out too......"


Nah.... too messy - but one can always freeze dry them and hang them from a Christmas tree.... human ornaments anyone

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posted May 12, 2006 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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If those in Islam won't stand up, denounce and punish the radical murderous scum within their ranks then the only conclusion one can draw is that they side with the murderous scum within their own ranks.

I have to disagree with that. And I can't fathom that you really agree with that either, jwhop. What, are all Cubans on the side of Castro just because they haven't succeeded in a revolution against him? How about those in Tibet? Or Haiti? Or how about the Jews and, technically, all the German people back in Hitler's time ... not to mention all the countries he took over? Or all the other endless examples from history of people who have fallen victim to psychotics, lunatics, and the demonically inspired?
It's very easy for us to sit in our comfortable chairs in our comfortable homes and watch our comfortable tvs and think that "those Muslims" must support the terrorists because they haven't really "done much" to stop them. It's too easy. Let's really try to imagine what it would be like to be in their shoes ... not worried about what's on tv tonight or how high our stock has gone ... but worried about being tortured or killed or having our children tortured or killed for speaking out against merciless, evil ******** living all around us ... and let's see how we'd all of us react. I somehow can't imagine every Tom, Dick, and Harry over here throwing themselves down for "the cause" or taking up arms against terrorists. Most people, not Americans but people, will go into survival mode as it is our instinct to do. And don't forget that a lot of dissedents over there have died and are still dying for standing up against them.

I don't know. It's a minor point, I guess, but I just couldn't believe I read that correctly. Victims are victims. If we really believed that the Muslims over there should have taken or were able to take care of the problem themselves then why in the world would we have waged a war to "save" them? It makes no sense. "Heck, if they aren't going to rise up against the terrorists then let's just drop out of the war and leave them to die as they obviously want to!" No, no sense at all.

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Petron
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posted May 12, 2006 11:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yea!! thats what i meant to say!

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posted May 13, 2006 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The religion of peace?

So, where are those peace loving Muslims in the free nations? Those who are not being held captive in repressive Islamic terrorist regimes who are afraid to speak out against the barbarism of terrorism against civilian populations? Where are they?

We don't hear them; not in America, not in Canada, not in Britain, not in France, not in Germany, not anywhere.

Instead, from their mosques and in the streets, we hear about jihad against their host nations. We hear about the flag of Islam flying over the capitals of western nations, we hear about establishing Islamic law in conclaves within host nations...and suspending the laws of western nations.

"Take Ideology Seriously

The destruction of Israel is a pillar of the Islamic Republic's ideology. Soon after leading the Islamic Revolution, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini declared, "Every Muslim has a duty to prepare himself for battle against Israel." President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's call for Israel to be "wiped off the map" may have shocked Europe, but his statements mark only a change in rhetorical style, not ideological substance. Ahmadinejad is not unhinged. He knows exactly what he is doing. It takes skill and sophistication to become mayor of Tehran, a city of more than 12 million, let alone president. When Ahmadinejad threatens to destroy Israel, he is deadly serious.

When it comes to Israel, there is no difference between hard-liners and reformers. While Kofi Annan honored Mohammad Khatami for his "dialogue of civilizations" idea, the reformist president's instructions to the Iranian people were less high-minded. "We should mobilize the whole Islamic World for a sharp confrontation with the Zionist regime," he told Iranian television on October 24, 2000. "If we abide by the Qur'an, all of us should mobilize to kill.""
http://www.meforum.org/article/892

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posted May 13, 2006 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This guy, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is all about starting a world war to bring about conditions where the Mahdi will return...to establish an Islamic rule over the world.

Attacking Israel with nuclear weapons and wiping them off the map...his words..is not all that far fetched.

"The man in charge of hoodwinking the Western powers about Iran's now 18-year-old secret nuclear program believes the apocalypse will happen in his own lifetime. He'll be 50 in October.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's Shi'ite creed has convinced him lesser mortals can not only influence but hasten the awaited return of the 12th Imam, known as the Mahdi. Iran's dominant "Twelver" sect holds this will be Muhammad ibn Hasan, the righteous descendant of the Prophet Muhammad. He is said to have gone into "occlusion" in the 9th century, at age 5. His return will be preceded by cosmic chaos, war, bloodshed and pestilence. After this cataclysmic confrontation between the forces of good and evil, the Mahdi will lead the world to an era of universal peace."
http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20060205-100341-6320r.htm

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You seem to be the only one talking about invading Iran Petron. Why?


Bush is using US sanctions, 3rd party diplomacy and the threat of UN sanctions to get Iran to abandon it's nuclear weapons program---
I think everything in the power of Saudi Arabia, Syria and Iran is being done internally to make sure there is not another attack on the US---
Look for Iran to develop into a real representative governmental system within the foreseeable future.--jwhop
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000586.html


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posted May 13, 2006 01:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You seem to have overlooked something Petron. Let me see if I can clear it up for you.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was elected President of Iran on June 24, 2005 and was installed as President on August 2, 2005. He's been a very busy boy stirring up trouble from the beginning.

Prior to that election, there was a moderate President in Iran...not to the liking of the ruling clerics to be sure but nevertheless, a moderate and much more pro-west.

My post(s) which you referenced are from October 1st, 2004

Further Petron, this is still true and Bush has said nothing about a ground invasion of Iran.

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Bush is using US sanctions, 3rd party diplomacy and the threat of UN sanctions to get Iran to abandon it's nuclear weapons program


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oh yes youre right jwhop....no one could have possibly foreseen such an unthinkable turn of events ......
right when iran was on their way to becoming a real representative government.....dang!!

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Prior to that election, there was a moderate President in Iran...a moderate and much more pro-west.--jwhop

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"We should mobilize the whole Islamic World for a sharp confrontation with the Zionist regime," he told Iranian television on October 24, 2000. "If we abide by the Qur'an, all of us should mobilize to kill."--Mohammad Khatami, jwhops moderate, pro west president of iran

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I've never met a "Islamic terrorist" before but Ive encountered a few ignorants North Americans.

You don't have any right telling Muslims to speak up, especially when your own American dictatorhsip is invading and manipulating foreign countries and their people and you think they are doing the world a favour!!! You want to breed a new generation of terrorists...continue on the same path and I guarantee it!! When are you going to speak up against your government's crimes against humanity????

And as long as Israel continues to oppress Palestinians, quite frankly I don't care to hear any sob stories about them. I don't worry about their destruction either. They're the only f@ucking country in the middle east to have a nuclear bomb...not just one but a few hundred nuclear bombs! So shut the h3ll up about the Islamic Republic destroying Israel. If anything, they're all talk, and you're just annoying.

And if you knew anything about Muslim ideas about the end-times you'd probably have a better understanding of Iran. They wouldn't dare bomb Israel if they had the means to. The rest you figure out...no not through the cr@p propaganda you read...here's a fact: you read and thus spew lies. Don't be afraid to search for the truth some times.

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