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pidaua
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posted May 16, 2006 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This affects my community as we have such a large influx of illegal immigrants.

For those that think because we voted for Bush we love everything he does- take a look at how outraged many of us are with his stance on Border Control and Immigration. Many of us feel that Bush has been too lenient on our borders and allowed counties, like mine, take a hit again and again with the destruction of the environment, crime and drug trafficking as illegal immigration continues.

(Of course, many of the libbies here in Bisbee would rather see a more porous border so that they can have access to their.... ummm...herbs).

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Locals express range of reactions to Bush plan
By Jonathan Clark

Herald/Review

BISBEE — Local border residents expressed a variety of opinions of President George W. Bush’s pledge to temporarily post National Guard troops in the region, with reactions Monday ranging from a man who called it a step in the right direction to a woman who said she was on the verge of tears over the move.

“I think if (Bush) actually puts the National Guard on the border, he will have finally done something right in his second term,” said John Waters, 65, of Palominas. “I believe that the lack of border security is one of the worst injustices ever done to the American people,” he said “If he does something now, it could be a step in the right direction.”

Bisbee resident Lauren Roberts, however, said she was distressed by Bush’s decision and expressed concern for families who have members living on both sides of the border.

“I’m on the verge of tears,” said the 55-year-old librarian. “I remember growing up and hearing about the Berlin Wall and how it separated families, and militarizing the border is just creating another Berlin Wall.

“I think (sending the National Guard to the border) is horrible, I think it’s fear-based and I’m ashamed for my country.”

Susan Rose, a retired resident of Sierra Vista and a proponent of tighter border security, said the president’s announcement came too late to redeem her opinion of him — but held out hope for the effectiveness of National Guard troops.

“I’m already Bush-ed out,” said Rose, who recently purchased land near the border in Palominas. “But let’s hope (the troop deployment) still does some good.”

Eric Nelson, 63, a semi-retired Palominas resident and a loyal Republican, also said the announcement came too late to redeem his opinion of the president. And while he said Bush’s plan “looked good on paper,” he felt it was too little, too late to fix the problem.

“I think this is a last-ditch effort to pacify people come election time,” he said. “I voted for Bush both terms, but now I wouldn’t vote for him for dog-catcher.”

Waters, however, said he placed more blame on state-level leaders, such as Gov. Janet Napolitano, for the lack of attention to the border crisis. He said the federal government was taking too much blame for a problem that local officials have failed to address.

In Naco, Ariz., bar owner Leonel Urcadez, 53, thought that sending troops to the border was the wrong approach to curtailing illegal immigration. He would prefer to see officials concentrate on employers who hire undocumented workers.

“I would like to see a ratio showing the number of people in the field compared to the number of people out there checking for (illegal aliens) in the workplace,” he said.

Naco resident and local mechanic Ernie Rodgers, 53, thought the presence of National Guardsmen would have little effect on his community - the border wall running through town already has the local immigration problem under control, he said.

Rodgers predicted the only noticeable benefit for Naco would be money spent at local businesses by the incoming soldiers.

Ted White, 77, of Bisbee, said he thought a far-reaching guest-worker program, such as the Bracero Program, which brought Mexican guest workers to the U.S. from 1942 to 1964, would make it unnecessary to beef up law enforcement on the border.

“During those years, you didn’t see any illegals,” said White, who characterized Bush’s National Guard deployment as “Band-Aid politics.”

Back in Palominas, Mary Frances Clinton, 63, said she was opposed to putting National Guardsmen on the border in part because it reinforces the idea that the Border Patrol cannot secure the border on its own.

“The Border Patrol truly is as effective as enforcement can be against the infinite variety of ways crossers can cross,” she said.

“The temporary solution is to regulate that immigration flow with work permits,” she added. “The permanent solution is to resolve the economic imbalance causing the immigration flow.”

Herald/Review reporter Jonathan Clark

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Petron
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posted May 16, 2006 02:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

here is jwhops favorite tabloid, worldnetdaily, with exclusive commentary suggesting we follow the nazi model for deporting illegals.....

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WND Exclusive Commentary

© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com


Against a fence
Posted: May 15, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Dear Jorge plans to address the nation tonight, a speech wherein he will almost surely attempt to deceive citizens into believing that he does not wish the mass migration from Mexico to continue unabated. He will likely offer some negligible resources for law enforcement and border security – resources which will never materialize – in return for an amnesty program that will grant American citizenship to the Mexican nationals who have helped lower America's wage rates by 16 percent over the last 32 years.

And he will be lying, again, just as he lied when he said: "Massive deportation of the people here is unrealistic – it's just not going to work."

Not only will it work, but one can easily estimate how long it would take. If it took the Germans less than four years to rid themselves of 6 million Jews, many of whom spoke German and were fully integrated into German society, it couldn't possibly take more than eight years to deport 12 million illegal aliens, many of whom don't speak English and are not integrated into American society.

In fact, the hysterical response to the post-rally enforcement rumors tends to indicate that the mere announcement of a massive deportation program would probably cause a third of that 12 million to depart for points south within a week.

Vox Day is a novelist and Christian libertarian. He is a member of the SFWA, Mensa and the Southern Baptist church, and has been down with Madden since 1992. Visit his Web log, Vox Popoli, for daily commentary and responses to reader email.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50198

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TINK
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posted May 16, 2006 02:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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If it took the Germans less than four years to rid themselves of 6 million Jews, many of whom spoke German and were fully integrated into German society, it couldn't possibly take more than eight years to deport 12 million illegal aliens, many of whom don't speak English and are not integrated into American society.

Hmmm maybe that isn't a safe analogy from a PR point of view. Although, the following paragraph suggexting a voluntary removal makes a good point.

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(Of course, many of the libbies here in Bisbee would rather see a more porous border so that they can have access to their.... ummm...herbs)

Just goes to show you there's always a silver lining.

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pidaua
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posted May 16, 2006 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I already saw this crap yesterday.

Enforcing our borders is NOT it any way similar to what the Nazi's did.

We are not gathering up citizens to place in an environment where we do experiments on them and then brutally murder them.

We are turning away ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS that come into our country to earn an ILLEGAL living, to send money back to Mexico while receiving free medical care, welfare and education.

Petron - you and your libbie buddies have stretched it a bit too far once again. I'll bet the cliche "Making a Mountain out of a Molehill" applies to early liberal tendancies of turning one fragment of truth into a HUGE story.


Petron, don't you and your buddies get tired of always crying Nazi anytime conservative come up with a plan or proposition? It's getting kind of old.


Yeah TINK, we have a huge problem with that here in this area. Not to mention the too large amounts of heroin, cocaine and methamphetamine that is killing this county.

I'm not sure there is much of a silver lining when you hear about Mexican Super-labs and children dying from lab explosions.

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Petron
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posted May 16, 2006 02:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i dont agree with any of that pidaua....

i only posted it to show what kind of opinions are being put forth on jwhops favorite conservative tabloid website....

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jwhop
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posted May 16, 2006 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for helping me out Petron The people who read WND find it more credible than do the readers of the NY Times find the Times credible. The same could be said about NewsMax.

But I agree with Pid. The President's plan for control of illegal immigration is a phony which would grant amnesty to upwards of 20 million illegals in the country..followed by another 20-40 million dependents, parents and relatives who would come in under the original citizenship granted by the plan. Further, in reward for breaking the laws of the United States, these illegals...no matter how long it took to gain citizenship, illegals would be in the country awaiting their citizenship while those who played by the rules would be in their home nation waiting for their turn. The difference would be a matter of terminology..illegal now becomes legal.

The fix thrown at the problem has no teeth and lip service is being given to prosecuting businesses who hire illegals. That law is already on the books and is being ignored.

I suppose those 6,000 National Guard troops are going to be vegging out since they will have no enforcement duty on the border.

I see some real trouble for Republicans...democrats too in some districts and states who vote for the Senate version of the immigration bill.

I don't know who put the idea in the President's ear that the US needs to grant Mexico's fondest dream of getting rid of all their unskilled and unemployable citizens...unemployable because there are no jobs for them in Mexico.

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Mystic Gemini
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posted May 16, 2006 04:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm surprised that Pidua having Native American blood in her would have views like this.

*Gasp


After all she did say Native Americans don't see land as belonging to anyone.


Fake.

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AcousticGod
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posted May 16, 2006 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The people who read WND find it more credible than do the readers of the NY Times find the Times credible.

I love how you cling to your nonsense. Love it!

(Yeah, I see you trying to slip that in here and there. Thankfully your credibility is what it is.)

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Petron
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posted May 16, 2006 05:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You and others like you only provide stories from "Altnet" or "wnd.daily" where the perspectives are ALWAYS against the US and against our Military.--pidaua

LMAO

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jwhop
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posted May 16, 2006 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well acoustic, your "terrorists are ballsey"...for hosing down unarmed civilians with automatic weapons, car bombing women and children and shelling civilians with mortars says about all that needs to be said about your credibility.

I'm sure most terrorists would find you highly credible on that subject.

Speaking of credibility, the NY Times was only most trusted by 2% of Americans surveyed. Sounds like a hemorrhaging of credibility to me

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AcousticGod
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posted May 16, 2006 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is amongst people who were not prompted, and represents an equal or better standing amongst the 3 printed papers in that particular survey (none got more than 2%). All of the percentages added up from that poll only equal 45% as it is, so your claim is extraordinarily misleading.

So you were saying about credibility?

Keep spinning, keep spinning, send us off to sleep
You liar, you liar, all your words are just dust in moonshine
You liar, love to be deceived
-James (Song is P.S.)

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pidaua
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posted May 16, 2006 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Umm. petron, do you ever make mistakes when you type? Ever type a word that you are thinking of instead of the one that you are meaning to type?

So what? I made a mistake and listed the wrong online paper - LOL... if you think that is somehow indicative of my view then you really do have some cerebral issues.

MG -

You are so incredibly dense it isn't even funny. I don't know how you lived this long in the first place - You've been dodging Natural Selection for far too long.

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jwhop
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posted May 16, 2006 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hardly misleading and no spin at all. Rather an exact rendition of what the poll actually said.

Without prompting Is that attempted spin acoustic? Seems to me Fox News is the new kid on the block and the NY Times, published since 1851 should be on the tip of everyone's tongue

"Asked to name the news source they most trusted, without any prompting, 59 percent of Egyptians said Al Jazeera, 52 percent of Brazilians said Rede Globo, 32 percent of Britons said the BBC, 22 percent of Germans said ARD and 11 percent of Americans said Fox News, each leading their respective nations."

"The most trusted specific news sources mentioned without prompting by Americans include FOX News (mentioned by 11%), CNN (11%), ABC (4%), NBC (4%), National Public Radio (3%), CBS (3%), Microsoft/MSN (2%), USA Today (2%), New York Times (2%), CNN.com (1%), Time Magazine (1%), and friends/family (1%)."

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jwhop
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posted May 16, 2006 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not to worry Pid. They haven't caught on yet that WND and NewsMax reprint articles from the AP, Reuters, Washington Times, Washington Post etc.

Mexico threatens lawsuits over National Guard
If troops on border become directly involved in detaining illegals
--Associated Press

Bill permits 193 million more aliens by 2026
Study does math on Senate plan, Congress 'blissfully ignorant' of its scope
--Washington Times

Bush speech draws GOP fire
'Rewarding those who break our laws ... does nothing to fix our current situation'
--Associated Press

Arnold: Guard on border is 'Band-Aid'
Bush plan gets mixed reaction in affected states
--Reuters

Mexicans: Guard won't slow illegals
Aliens adamant they'll keep coming no matter what obstacles they face
--Associated Press

HOMELAND INSECURITY
Bush defends spying program
'We'll protect [U.S.] against an al-Qaida attack, and we'll do so within the law'
--Reuters

President agrees to full NSA oversight by Congress
White House previously sought to avoid total committee awareness
--Reuters

Student busted for MySpace bong photo
Teen admits to smoking marijuana when confronted with picture
--WCBS-TV, New York

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AcousticGod
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posted May 16, 2006 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for backing up what I said by posting that.

No, I didn't attempt to spin anything. I told it as it reads, and added some analysis for those, like yourself, who seem to need it.

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Petron
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posted May 16, 2006 10:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/

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--WND


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--WND


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newsmax also has its own staff of writers who hack up press articles to put their own spin on things.....

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jwhop
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posted May 16, 2006 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually Petron, a quick count of stories on pages one and two from World Net Daily showed 81 total of which only 26 were WND written. Those 55 articles were direct reprints.

That's not counting multiple headlines which take you to another WND page of articles.

The rest came from another source..like the ones I alread mentioned..among others.

As for reporting the same stories with a WND or NewsMax writer...well, I'm sure they would consider it removing the excessive spin put on the MSM or removing the twit writers speculations they so love to go on about.

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