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pidaua
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posted June 23, 2006 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know about how you all feel.. but I think that little N. Korean hermit IS trying his best to get to the table and negotiate more money for us to give him.

Mondale: Force an option for stopping North Korea


Former Vice President Walter Mondale says he supports a pre-emptive U.S. strike against a North Korean missile that is raising nuclear fears around the globe.

Earlier this week North Korea announced it was preparing to test a missile that could reach United States mainland. Tensions rose further when the North Koreans put fuel into the missile, and continued to insist that a test firing was imminent.

Mondale said on WCCO-AM Friday that the United States should tell North Korea "defuel that missile. It has three boosters. Dismantle it and put it back in the sheds. Because if you’re getting ready to fire this, we’ll take it out."

Mondale, who's also a former U.S. ambassador to Japan, calls the North Korean missile "one of the most dangerous developments" in recent history.

"Nuclear weapons can destroy hundreds of millions of people in one strike — destroy major cities —it is the danger of our time," Mondale said. "Here’s this bizarre, hermit kingdom up there, with a paranoid leader getting ready to test a missile system that can hit us. We’ve got to stop it."

The tensions are over North Korea's apparent preparations to test-fire a Taepodong-2 missile, and the possibility that the missile could eventually carry a nuclear warhead.

Analysts do not agree on how far the missile can travel —Jane's Defense, for example, said last year that the Taepodong-2's maximum range was probably about 3,700 miles. A Russian report said it was about 5,600 miles, and an American report suggested 6,200 miles. Other reports have quoted U.S. officials as saying the 116-foot-long missile has a firing range of 9,300 miles.

Despite the confusion, Mondale and other former top Democrats are convinced apparently that action is the key to ending the standoff.

"This is such a legitimate thing for the United States to do," Mondale said. "The nature of the threat is so serious that I think we should knock it out right there if they won’t stop."

President Clinton's defense secretary, William Perry, advocated such a pre-emptive strike in The Washington Post. Current National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley brushed aside Perry's suggestion, saying he hoped that North Korea would see the unanimously negative reaction from the international community to the test and return to the negotiating table.

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U.S. set to down Korean missile
By Stephen Dinan
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published June 23, 2006

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BUDAPEST -- Senior Bush administration officials said publicly for the first time yesterday that the United States is set to shoot down any North Korean missile launch that threatens the United States.
National Security Adviser Stephen J. Hadley, briefing reporters during President Bush's brief visit here, said the United States has a missile defense system with "limited operational capability" that could be used to try to shoot down an incoming North Korean missile, but he added that U.S. officials were vigorously pursuing a diplomatic push to head off a test launch by Pyongyang.
"The purpose, of course, of that missile defense system is to defend the territory of the United States from attack," Mr. Hadley said when asked if the United States would deploy the system should North Korea attack.
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld told reporters in Washington that Mr. Bush has the power to order a shootdown, using one of 11 ground-based interceptors now located in Alaska and California.
"And the president would make a decision with respect to the nature of the launch, whether it was threatening to the territory of the United States or not, and the likely threat that it would pose," Mr. Rumsfeld told reporters at the Pentagon.
Mr. Rumsfeld said intelligence reports suggest the North Koreans are "making preparations" for the launch of a new version of its Taepodong missile, efforts that have been under way for several days. "There's a lot we know, and a lot we don't know. So, we'll just have to see."
The new missile is thought to have the range to hit U.S. territory, prompting an outcry from the United States and key Asian nations who say such a test would violate a moratorium North Korea has observed since 1998.
In Moscow, Russia's foreign ministry summoned the North Korean ambassador to warn against "undesirable steps" that could increase tensions on the divided Korean Peninsula. Japanese Foreign Minister Taro Aso told the Reuters news agency that Tokyo was prepared to take "harsh measures" if the missile test went forward.
North Korea indicated Wednesday it was ready to put the launch on hold while offering dialogue with the United States. South Korea's Yonhap news agency quoted the North Korean envoy at the United Nations, Han Song-ryol, as saying: "The United States says it is concerned about our missile test launch. Our position is, 'OK then, let's talk about it.' "
China, the North's principal economic and military ally, appealed to both Pyongyang and Washington for restraint.
"We hope that the related parties will resolve this problem through negotiations and dialogue," Vice Foreign Minister Wu Dawei said in an interview with South Korea's Maeil Business Newspaper.
Vice President Dick Cheney, in an interview with CNN, rejected a suggestion by William Perry, defense secretary under President Clinton, that the United States destroy the North Korean launch site with a pre-emptive cruise missile attack rather than rely on the unproven missile defense shield.
"Obviously, if you're going to launch strikes at another nation, you'd better be prepared to not just fire one shot," Mr. Cheney said, joking that he "appreciated" Mr. Perry's advice. "The fact of the matter is, I think the issue is being addressed appropriately."
State Department spokesman Adam Ereli said Mr. Perry was entitled to his opinions as a private citizen, "but the government position is what our senior officials have publicly stated."
Mr. Hadley stressed repeatedly the United States wants to resolve both the missile test and the Korean nuclear crisis diplomatically. He told reporters the missile defense system existed for research purposes, but that it could be used to try to shoot down a missile in a threatening situation.
The Washington Times reported earlier this week that the Pentagon has put its missile defense system on operational status in response to apparent preparations by the North for a missile test.
The national security adviser said North Korea has the capability to test the missile and said "preparations are very far along" to conduct the test.
In Seoul, South Korean Defense Minister Yoon Kwang-ung told lawmakers, "It is our judgment that a launch is not imminent."
But he added that U.S. and South Korean forces were prepared to "intercept [a missile] immediately if it was fired toward South Korean territory."
• Bill Gertz and David R. Sands in Washington contributed to this story, which is based in part on wire service reports.

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posted June 23, 2006 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hee hee.... no one really takes that wee man's threats seriously:

Many Americans in Missile Range Just Shrug

By MARY PEMBERTON
Associated Press Writer


ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) -- The Alaskan coastal village of Hooper Bay is about 3,200 miles from North Korea's intercontinental missile. For some in the Bering Sea town, that's a bit too close for comfort.

"I don't feel so remote anymore," says Elmer Simon, tribal administrator for the Yu'pik Eskimo town of 1,100.

From villages in Alaska to beaches in Hawaii and the largest cities of the West Coast, Americans in the potential range of a North Korean missile test added the threat to the list of dangers they already face in a troubled world.

But for most, a missile was too distant, too unlikely a threat to interrupt their daily lives.




"A better question is when's the next earthquake," Ernie De Matteis said as he flipped through a newspaper in San Francisco.

Some experts believe North Korea could be preparing to test-fire a Taepodong 2 missile with enough range to reach Alaska and parts of the U.S. mainland, depending on the size of the weapon's payload.

The missile has never been put through a test flight, and U.S. officials do not know whether North Korea is capable of putting a nuclear warhead on it. The North Korean government has claimed it has nuclear weapons, but no U.S. official has been shown conclusive proof.

Robert O'Connor, who was preparing to eat lunch with his grandchildren in the shadow of Seattle's Space Needle, isn't buying the threat.

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"I don't think the United States or any of the other countries in the world are going to allow North Korea to get to a point where they've got a nuclear-tipped missile, you know, ready to fire at somebody," he said.

For Sandy Brickner, a systems security officer in Seattle, worrying about bombs is somebody else's problem.

"That's what our government is supposed to do, not me," she said. "I have no control over it."

Two U.S. guided-missile destroyers are off the Korean coast. And if a missile were to be launched toward the United States, the government could fire interceptor rockets from Alaska or California. But the missile-defense system has never had an unscripted test, and several planned tests have failed.

Off Hawaii's coast Thursday, the United States and Japan were holding a joint exercise Thursday to test their missile-destroying capabilities.

Back in Honolulu, office manager Alohalani Hose couldn't be bothered with it all.

"Why worry about that when I got my life to worry about?" she said. "If you worry, it causes stress, anxiety and you deteriorate and die. So why worry?"

Around Alaska's Fort Greely, which has nine of the interceptor rockets, folks weren't fretting either.

Pete Hallgren, city manager of nearby Delta Junction, said he and other city officials met at the base this week to discuss a construction project and the missile issue never came up.

"Nobody seemed to show any concern about the flurry of press reports about North Korea," he said. "The talk around here is the potential for the hotel, power plant and clinic."

It's also business as usual in Nome, a western Alaska city of 3,500.

Bruce Klein, executive director of the Nome Community Center, acknowledged his neighbors can be somewhat insulated - and that's not always a bad thing.

"If we were thinking about all this stuff and everything that's out there, and of course the situation with the missiles in North Korea, I think we would all be on Prozac."

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posted June 23, 2006 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah Pid, I read those too and yes, it would seem Kim Jong Il's plan is to rattle the saber then look up to see if anyone noticed, agree to negotiate what he's already agreed not to do in the first place and then renege on some pretext or another.

To make matters worse, I read the other day that the former Ambassador to South Korea...during the Clinton administration is ripping Bush for "letting" North Korea develop nuclear weapons. Get that, Bush is responsible but it was the dud duo of Carter and Clinton who negotiated the no inspection agreement for NK to stop all nuclear weapons development in exchange for 2 light water nuclear power plants and who knows how many hundreds of thousands or millions of tons of food.

North Korea never skipped a beat and went right on with their nuclear weapons programs...from the very beginning...but it's the fault of the Bush administration they got nuclear weapons

As far as their missile launch goes, wouldn't it send shock waves around the world which would be felt in the Soviet Union and in China, North Korea and Iran if...North Korea launched that missile and we blew it out of space? I doubt the US is going to launch a cruise missile and destroy the NK missile on the launch pad..though some are suggesting it...besides Walter Mondale.

I remember when Reagan was laughed at for suggesting the Strategic Defense Initiative, SDI...a missile shield to defend against incoming missile attacks.

Now, it's up and running and it may not be perfect and it's a bare bones system now but it will get better, much better.

What a shock for enemies with nuclear missile capability and some egg on democrat faces, press faces, scientist faces who said it couldn't be done and others who laughed Reagan to scorn.

SDI would have been done a long time ago...except democrats attempted to defund the program at every opportunity and cut the budget for the program when they were in power. SDI survived on a trickle of funding over the years considering the defensive value of program.

Of course, every enemy of America opposed it too and there were our patriotic democrats agreeing with our enemies, as usual.

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posted June 23, 2006 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"As far as their missile launch goes, wouldn't it send shock waves around the world which would be felt in the Soviet Union and in China, North Korea and Iran if...North Korea launched that missile and we blew it out of space? I doubt the US is going to launch a cruise missile and destroy the NK missile on the launch pad..though some are suggesting it...besides Walter Mondale.

I remember when Reagan was laughed at for suggesting the Strategic Defense Initiative, SDI...a missile shield to defend against incoming missile attacks.

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I think it would be a wonderful opportunity to show what we have in the form of technology and how if we wanted to we could really unleash hell. We aren't the war mongers people think we are.

People that hold Bush responsible for the teeny-weenie Kim his band of Merry elves are the same, mentally as the ones that proudly call him "shrub". People hate Bush because he's real, because he knows what he is doing (most of the time- but he needs a clue with immigration) and because he doesn't waste time waiting for his poll results.

I also doubt we'd blow up the launch pad. I think some of the former democrats want that because it would, undoubtedly, make the Bush Admin look like they are just trying to incite another war and be a bully. Then again, the Dems are so off-kilter maybe they do think that is a valid course of action.

Hmmmm.... blow North Korea to smithereens and pull out of a terrorist producing, harboring, WMD hiding and manufacturing Mid East?

Makes sense only to the far left.

LOL...I just bought Ann Coulter's new book - Godless... should get here in a few days

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posted June 23, 2006 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well our ass is so small yet so powerful. Because when its shut our brain dies, so does our heart and other organs

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posted June 24, 2006 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, Russia and China have a hell of a lot of money invested in their nuclear missile arsenal.

China in particular was given technology by the Clinton administration...for campaign contributions.

It would rattle their cages if they found the US had a defense against their missiles. Some say the US missile shield doesn't work and that the shootdown tests were faked.

It would be funny if the whole missile defense shield was a fake and phony program and the real missile defense system turned out to be series of US satellite based high energy lasers in space.

Petron, I don't know what your point is.

The US is pursuing European diplomacy, US sanctions and the threat of UN sanctions against Iran to get them to cease and desist their nuclear weapons program....along with new elements..that of publicizing the test of bunker buster bombs, which you say are the tests to simulate a low yield nuclear weapon. That may be true but I doubt it would be used unless Iran was crazy enough to launch a nuclear missile at Israel. The other new element are some incentives to sweeten the pot.

Perhaps we're being played for suckers and Iran is nowhere near developing an actual nuclear weapon.

As for N. Korea, most of the saber rattling hasn't gotten Kim Jong Il what he wants and I doubt it will. If he launches that missile there will be hell to pay in a whole lot of ways.

First, Japan might go nuclear and they have the technology to do so...as well as the scientific and manufacturing ability to build missiles as they've already proven.

Second, South Korea would stop playing footsie with them and might go nuclear as well and there's little doubt they could do so.

Third, if that missile happened to hit somewhere..other than the ocean..say Guam, I think the US would immediately decide the fun and games for N. Korea are over and proceed to take out their military installations to effectively disarm them. It would be far worse for them if that missile hit Alaska or the West coast of the United States...whether it's armed with a nuclear warhead or not.

I don't know what your point was in providing links with no commentary.

If North Korea wants respect then the fastest way to get that is to get rid of the little madman running their show and start taking care of their citizens.

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you dont know what my point is??

read the second link where i posted an array of articles disposing of your oft repeated limbaugh inspired spin on the north korea agreed framework.......there were inspections built into that agreement and it wasnt until 2002, after no lightwater reactors were built that north korea reactivated its plutonium reactors.......

north korea denies the allegation that it was enriching uranium, which wasnt part of the agreed framework anyway......they were probly just swapping missiles for uranium with our good ally pakistan.......

then in the first link......youll see how hapy bush jr was to get an agreement from iran for lightwater reactors and airliner components......heheh ....the "agreed framework" all over again....but as long as its junior doing it this time then all is well right??


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Good post, Piaudea

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posted June 27, 2006 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now, the Clintonista choir is singing the tune that North Korea GOT nuclear weapons on the watch of George Bush. Bullsh*t

From the very start of the agreement that for certain concessions, North Korea would cease and desist in their attempts to build nuclear weapons, North Korea was pursuing and continued to pursue nuclear weapons through a hidden program. Those concessions included light water nuclear power plants, millions of barrels of oil and food shipments.

One does not go from having no nuclear weapons to having nuclear weapons in a matter of months or even a couple of years...unless one just buys ready made nuclear weapons, which North Korea DID NOT do.

Instead, they bought uranium processing technology, built the components for processing uranium and processed it in a hidden program.

Does it really matter whether they had outside help from A.O. Kahn of Pakistan?

The agreement was that there were to be NO nuclear weapons programs...period.

And who was to be the inspection agent to assure they lived up to their end of the agreement? None other than the UN IAEA who couldn't find their @sses with both hands.

And who was to supply those light water reactors and build the power plants? Not the UN.

And who was to supply those millions of barrels of oil? Not the UN.

And who was to supply those hundreds of thousands or millions of tons of food? Not the UN.

So, the two fools, Carter and Clinton set up an outside inspection regime, the IAEA which is itself a bungling bunch of clowns to determine whether North Korea was living up to their end of the agreement and right under those clowns noses, North Korea WAS continuing their quest to build nuclear weapons. When this inspection regime was to confine their inspections to the already known nuclear weapons program, it amounts to a no inspection program of North Korea.

And now, the clowns in the Clintonista choir are blaming Bush for PERMITTING North Korea to develop nuclear weapons.

"By June 1994 the President came within hours of ordering thousands of U.S. troops to Korea when former president Jimmy Carter’s meetings with Kim Il Sung produced a series of steps leading to North Korea’s agreement to freeze and eventually dismantle its plutonium-production program, and to ship all its plutonium-laced spent fuel out of the country, all under continuous monitoring by the IAEA. Unchecked, Pyongyang would by now have amassed an arsenal of nearly 100 nuclear warheads, to threaten its neighbors or to export.

But North Korea cheated on its 1994 pledges by secretly obtaining uranium enrichment technology. When confronted by the United States, it kicked out the inspectors and abandoned the Non-Proliferation Treaty. Pyongyang has since boasted that it has reprocessed all 8,000 spent fuel rods; its erstwhile supplier A.Q. Khan now claims to have seen North Korean nuclear weapons."
http://www.ffip.com/issuebriefs040527.htm

So, somehow in the year and 8 months after Bush assumed office, the Clintonista Choir wants everyone to believe North Korea, built an underground lead shielded uranium processing plant, acquired the specialized machining equipment to shape plutonium into the right shape, size and weight for the main component of a nuclear weapon, managed to acquire centrifuges or build them and process uranium into highly enriched uranium or plutonium, fashion a framework to hold a nuclear device along with all the electronics, manage to build a detonator to set it off...blah, blah, blah and all in that year and 8 month window after Bush became President until the time Bush pulled the plug and cut off the oil supplies to North Korea for violating the agreement negotiated with the 2 clowns Carter and Clinton.

Absurd!

North Korea Admits Nuclear Program
Thursday, Oct. 17, 2002 http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/17/61003.shtml

Clinton Bankrolled North Korea's Nuke Program
Thursday Oct. 17, 2002 http://www.newsmax.com/scripts/showinside.pl?a=2002/10/17/80959

Evidence Clinton Knew About North Korea's Nuclear Violations
Wes Vernon, NewsMax.com
Saturday, Oct. 19, 2002 http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/18/192530.shtml

Wednesday, Oct. 23, 2002 9:59 a.m. EDT
Hillary Dem Blames Bush for N. Korean Nukes http://www.newsmax.com/scripts/showinside.pl?a=2002/10/23/95436

Now, how about giving this Clintonista fairy tale a rest?

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posted June 27, 2006 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Now, the Clintonista choir is singing the tune that North Korea GOT nuclear weapons on the watch of George Bush. Bullsh*t"

Bullsh*t is exactly right!!! Those idiots would blame a Natural Disaster on Bush.. oh wait, they already have!!!


They just never learn.... all of their concessions in the past, the money poured onto these terrorist and terror provoking countries only created a more "global" welfare system. If they cry enough, we pay - why should they have to work or produce when they are so used to threatening to build nukes and getting money?

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posted June 27, 2006 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, that's right Pid. Leftists did blame Bush for Katrina striking New Orleans...how could Bush refuse to sign the Kyoto Treaty and destroy New Orleans.

Does anything these people ever say make a bit of sense?

In the mean time there's only 1 or 2 nations on earth which did sign Kyoto who are living up to the CO2 reduction requirements...or anywhere near those reduction requirements.

Luckily, Algore wasn't President when al-Qaeda bombed the WTC. I'm sure Algore would have talked bin Laden to death...please tell us what we can do to have you stop attacking us...why do you hate us. I'm sure crazy Al could have negotiated something...like maybe giving al-Qaeda, Arizona, New Mexico and Colorado for terrorist training camps...since we offended them so....and flying the Islamic flag over the White House and Capitol buildings.

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posted June 27, 2006 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... Not Arizona.. come on now.. we are already overrun with the illegal immigration.. we would have DIED if we had been given over to All-Queeeezy as retribution for offending their sensitivities (NM is okay though) LOL

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posted June 27, 2006 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, you know crazy Al would have been thinking about al-Qaeda's comfort...and Arizona, New Mexico and Colorado do more closely match their former environment...in Afghanistan.

We all know Little Al is very compassionate

As for illegal immigrants...I doubt they would be invading al-Qaeda territory.

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