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posted July 05, 2006 10:22 AM            

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So, why are such people in Canada...or any Western nation? Why aren't they back home in their own lands living under the control of the theocracy they prefer?

It will be interesting when a leftist hack reporter gets around to asking Muslims who hate the Western nation they are in that question. Don't hold your breath because that's entirely too logical a question for a brain dead leftist reporter to get their mind around.

"We Hate Canada"
By Robert Spencer
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 5, 2006

Investigators have recently uncovered a series of Internet postings made by the wives of a group of suspected jihad terrorists. They include these comments (all spelling and punctuation is as it was written):

“Know what you will face one day. Let them call you a terrorist, let them make you look like a savage, but know that THIS [the American military] is the filth of the earth, the uncivilised destroyer of humanity.”

“[And] if [my husband] ever refuses a clear opportunity to leave for jihad, then i want the choice of divorce.”

“All muslim politicians are corrupt. There's no one out there willing to rule the country by the laws of Allah, rather they fight to rule the country by the laws of democracy.”

“Are you accepting a system that separates religion and state? Are you gonna give your pledge of allegiance to a party that puts secular laws above the laws of Allah? Are you gonna worship that which they worship? Are you going to throw away the most important thing that makes you a muslim?”

“May Allah crush these jews, bring them down to their kneees, humuliate them. Ya Allah make their women widows and their children orphans.”

“May Allah curse the jews.. Ameen”

These posts and others like them were written not in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia or Yemen. They were written in Canada by several of the wives of the jihad terror plotters recently arrested there: Mariya, the wife of the suspected plot ringleader, Fahim Ahmad; Nada Farooq, wife of Zakariya Amara, who is thought to have been Ahmad’s second-in-command; Rana, the wife of another suspect, Ahmad Ghany; and Cheryfa MacAulay Jamal, a convert to Islam and the wife of Qayyum Abdul Jamal, who is alleged to have stirred the others to act with his fiery sermons preaching jihad and hatred of Christians, Jews, and the West – and whose violent exhortations were tolerated by mosque officials because he took out the garbage.

Leftist analysts who explain Islamic jihad as a reaction to Western atrocities and oppression, as well as those on the Left and the Right who assume that education and exposure to Western culture and values will blunt the force of that jihad, are hard-pressed to explain the phenomenon of jihadists and jihad sympathizers who are born and raised in Western countries. Of course, the Council on American Islamic Relations and other advocacy groups attempt to fill this gap with their largely trumped-up reports of hate crimes against Muslims in Western countries, but when the best they can come up with are some insults at a supermarket, it’s hard to build a case for large-scale oppression of Muslims.

But if they are not oppressed, what would possibly have inspired the hatred and contempt these women feel for their own country? When asked what she thought was unique about Canada, Nada Farooq replied, “Who cares? We hate Canada.”

Why would someone who lives in Canada and benefits from its freedom and prosperity hate Canada? Almost certainly because she has been taught to do so. Nada Farooq and the other women who wrote the comments above have no doubt been taught that all non-Muslim society and culture is jahiliyya – ignorance or barbarism, worthless and to be despised.

The Egyptian Qur’an commentator and Muslim Brotherhood theorist Sayyid Qutb (1906-1966), whose writings are popular today among Muslims in the West, emphasized this: “It is not the function of Islam to compromise with the concepts of Jahiliyya [the society of unbelievers] which are current in the world or to co-exist in the same land together with a jahili system….Islam cannot accept any mixing with Jahiliyyah. Either Islam will remain, or Jahiliyyah; no half-half situation is possible. Command belongs to Allah, or otherwise to Jahiliyyah; Allah’s Shari’ah [law] will prevail, or else people’s desires: “And if they do not respond to you, then know that they only follow their own lusts. And who is more astray than one who follows his own lusts, without guidance from Allah? Verily! Allah guides not the people who are disobedient.”[Qur’an 28:50]…The foremost duty of Islam is to depose Jahiliyyah from the leadership of man, with the intention of raising human beings to that high position which Allah has chosen for him.”[1]

Likewise, Syed Abul Ala Maududi (1903-1979), founder of the Pakistani political party Jamaat-e-Islami, which is still the largest exponent of political Islam in Pakistan, declared that non-Muslims have “absolutely no right to seize the reins of power in any part of God’s earth nor to direct the collective affairs of human beings according to their own misconceived doctrines.” If they do, “the believers would be under an obligation to do their utmost to dislodge them from political power and to make them live in subservience to the Islamic way of life.”[2]

This is a matter of religious conviction. These ideas will not be dislodged by education about Western values, which are all part of the jahiliyya these women and their husbands despise, or by better access to jobs or housing. One primary lesson that authorities should draw from these Internet postings is that Islamic terror is not a problem that can be solved by social engineering. It cannot be assuaged by gestures of good will, negotiations or concessions. There is in Western countries today a large and growing population of Muslims, among whom are many who have no intention of assimilating or adopting Western values and perspectives, and who regard the West with as much or more disdain and contempt as these women show in their Internet postings. The jihad ideology as such must be confronted and combated, or it will continue to spread, and breed terrorists and subversives.

But for authorities to understand this and take positive steps to deal with it, they would first have to admit that Islam has anything to do with terrorism at all – something they have taken great pride in denying. And that denial only ensures that there will be many more jihad cells in Canada and Western countries, with the wives of the plotters cheering from the sidelines.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=23228

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posted July 05, 2006 01:48 PM              

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Well Im not at all suprised by what these wives said.

Let these people live the way they want to live and stop oppressing them. The more you oppress the more they HATE you. But you're too stupid and blind to see that.

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posted July 05, 2006 02:04 PM              

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DayDreamer..you mean, you don't see the malice in what they wrote???

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posted July 05, 2006 02:09 PM              

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I see as much malice in it as you see in what the US government does.

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posted July 05, 2006 02:11 PM              

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I'm sorry, I do not understand your statement?

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posted July 05, 2006 02:12 PM              

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Wel how much malice do you think the US government does?

Maybe you should think on it.

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posted July 05, 2006 02:14 PM            

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Perhaps I am too blind...and stupid to see and understand how Canadians and the Canadian government are oppressing Muslims.

Perhaps you can 'splain it to me.

Although, I don't recall seeing any indication those terrorist wives were complaining about being "oppressed".

It seemed to me they were angry that Canada is not an Islamic nation.

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posted July 05, 2006 02:15 PM              

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DayDreamer..there is a difference..and different levels..I go within and Ask MOther and Father God..I get answers..and tell the Truth..until you do your own work and achieve this level..perhaps you should listen a little more..
there are some far more advanced than I..I am not jealous of them..nor do I think myself better than anyOne..

The Truth is the Truth..so help me GOD. ...

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posted July 05, 2006 02:16 PM              

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They're not angry Canada isnt an Islamic state. They're angry that other people or the West is trying to impose their beliefs, ideology, culture, way of living on them...and by brute force. and war.

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posted July 05, 2006 02:17 PM              

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Lotus if you keep saying you go within and ask mommy and daddy for the truth I will have to ignore you. Im sorry

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posted July 05, 2006 02:18 PM              

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That's the Truth..and I certainly won't lie for you..sorry. ...

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posted July 05, 2006 02:22 PM              

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Daydreamer.....hi !!

Ignorance is at times, bliss, girl....

I do at times choose this route....it saves a lot of time and energy....

If you get my drift....

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posted July 05, 2006 02:23 PM              

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Hi sueg,

I hear ya LOUD and CLEAR on that one

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posted July 05, 2006 02:25 PM              

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I LOve you bunches anyway!. ...

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posted July 05, 2006 02:30 PM            

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Seems to me those terrorists and their wives are in Canada voluntarily...true?

This ring a bell?

“Who cares? We hate Canada.”

So, how are Canadians or the Canadian government attempting to:

"impose their beliefs, ideology, culture, way of living on them...and by brute force. and war."

Now, it seems to me the people of Afghanistan and Iraq have chosen representative government...not a theocracy and they didn't have to do that when they approved the constitutions...by voting for them.

The only people there who appear to be pi*sed about that are those who were forcing their will on the general populations there and are still trying to do so.

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posted July 05, 2006 02:37 PM              

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Believe it or not there are people who hate the country they live in.

"Chosing" a "representative" government is not the main problem...what comes after that is. And this doesnt erase all the violence and chaos people have to live through, all the injuries, and lives taken, and the destruction of people's homeland.

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posted July 05, 2006 02:37 PM              

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Muslim are oppressed in Canada? WTF are you talking about? They're no more oppressed than you or I. They're oppressed in Muslim nations.

What a foolish take on the situation. You can't be all there if you believe that. In which case, I don't know why I'm bothering to post this, but what the heck.

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posted July 05, 2006 02:39 PM              

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I didnt say they were oppressed in Canada.

You people like to think Muslims are oppressed in Muslim nations....but it is you that is creating all the "F'cking" problems.

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posted July 05, 2006 02:47 PM            

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I would think those million or so Iraqi citizens Saddam killed, in addition to the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens who were tortured and/or raped would disagree with you that Muslims are not oppressed in Muslim countries.

I would think those women who were killed or raped by the Taliban in Afghanistan and those others who were beheaded or tortured by the Taliban would also disagree with you that they weren't oppressed by their Muslim country.

Your arguments don't make any sense and they sure don't hang together.

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posted July 05, 2006 04:13 PM              

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LOve LOve LOve. ...

No Hate...

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posted July 05, 2006 04:27 PM              

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Excuse me...

America interfered in Iraq’s business. You helped slaughter not only Iraqis, but Iranians...why because you are scared of them since they are an Islamic country. Iraq was not! Saddam was for Arab unity. Saddam and his regime served your purpose for a while. But you were against both. You put Afghanis on the front lines against the Soviets.

Now you think you can come into their country, destroy their land and kill their people. Wow, well let me tell you, you have a big surprise coming to you.

Now the Iraqis who fought the Iranians, the Afghanis who fought the Soviets for you, and all the other Muslim countries you tried to F%*^ with, have a vendetta against you!

And all the while all you “f’cking” care about is oil. “F’cking Iraqis and Afghanis and all the other “F’cking” Muslims are in the way.

You don't care about the security of your country. You're asking for it's destruction.

Your arguments don't make any sense and they sure don't hang together.

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posted July 05, 2006 04:30 PM              

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DayDreamer..that simply is not true!

and you are very upset..you have to look at all the information. ...

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posted July 05, 2006 04:34 PM            

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DD,

I know you are passionate about Islam and there is nothing wrong with that in the least. There is something that isn't quite right when you can't even allow for the possibility that there are those that hate the Western world regardless of any oppression or not.

This quote sums up how SOME Muslims feel about the western world.

" But if they are not oppressed, what would possibly have inspired the hatred and contempt these women feel for their own country? When asked what she thought was unique about Canada, Nada Farooq replied, “Who cares? We hate Canada.”"

If I can say in confidence that only a minority of Muslims are vengeful, hateful terrorist supporters - how come you seem to have a hard time admitting that there are those that are terrorist in nature? Even when you slightly agree that their words are over the line, you qualify it with "well, they have been oppressed and western beliefs have been pushed on them".

Really? I haven't seen a bunch of Mormon's blowing up a Muslim Mosque because people wouldn't convert. I work with Muslims, Hindus, Athiests..etc.. and I have yet to see some Christian come up and say 'Believe in my way or lose your job".

Hell, usually it's the Christian that has to keep their mouths shut as even a silent prayer is considered "offensive" in the school or workplace.

Who's actually being oppressed and how?

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posted July 05, 2006 04:49 PM              

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No that is true lotus. You're just too scared to realize it!

Pid, this doesnt have to do with being passionate about Islam. Actually MOST Muslims in the world, hate America. Im sorry but that's true. Now that doesnt mean they would blow up things or people. Most are sane and dont follow the likes of whats his name Zarqawi?, and others like him.

They do not see you as some liberator as you like to view your country. They see you as deceitful warmongers.

And this feeling of hate and resentmetn towards America, your government and army is not because you have a different relgion or are not Muslim, although you like to believe that and will try to find anything that will justify it.

Maybe if we start a major war in America, destroy your major monuments, your homes, and kill you friends and family, and confine you like animals you might figure out how they're oppressed. All for your liberation of course.

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posted July 05, 2006 04:52 PM              

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DayDreamer..I have no Fear. ...

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