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Venusian Love
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posted July 14, 2006 06:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ad Showing Troop Coffins Causes Clash of the Parties

By ANNE E. KORNBLUT, The New York Times

WASHINGTON, July 13 — In an echo of the last election cycle, political operatives are at odds over a Democratic advertisement featuring coffins coming home from war.



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Several Republicans have said the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee's use of this image in a Web-only political ad is disrespectful of U.S. troops in Iraq, but one has said it is appropriate.

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The advertisement, a short film posted on the Web site of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, is being attacked by Republicans as tasteless and disrespectful of American troops in Iraq.

In 2004, President Bush’s campaign released an advertisement showing a flag-draped body being removed from the site of the World Trade Center after the terrorist attack there. The shot outraged some victims’ families, who accused Mr. Bush of exploitation.

The current advertisement, a much smaller-scale production appearing only on the Internet, shows rows of coffins covered by American flags and lined up inside a military transport plane. The image is one of a montage of shots illustrating troubles that Democrats attribute to Republican leadership. Others include a gas pump displaying a price of $3.35 a gallon, and New Orleans residents stranded outside the Superdome after Hurricane Katrina.

“Things have taken a turn for the worse,” a line of opening text says.


Was Bush Ad Appropriate?



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The ad has drawn comparisons to a 2004 Bush campaign ad that had images of Sept. 11.
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Officials of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, which is led by Representative Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, say they posted the advertisement more than a week ago. But Republicans did not seem to notice it right away.

Now, however, Representative Thomas M. Reynolds of New York, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, has demanded that Democrats apologize for the clip. Even the former majority leader Tom DeLay, who has said little publicly since his resignation from the House last month, has issued a statement describing the ad as an act of “pathetic desperation.”

Carl Forti, a spokesman for the Republican committee, said in an interview Thursday: “They’ve cited the President Bush ad showing the firefighters carrying someone away. I’m not sure how that’s the same as showing a soldier who’s given his life in battle in a flag-draped coffin. Nine-eleven was an event that brought people together; Democrats are trying to rip people apart. I think there’s a big difference there.”

But Mark McKinnon, a top Republican strategist and ad maker for Mr. Bush, said Democrats had not crossed any boundaries of taste.


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“This is one where I respectfully disagree with my colleagues: I think it is an appropriate image,” Mr. McKinnon said. “I thought it was appropriate when we used it.”

“It reminds people of the cost of 9/11,” he added. “It reminds people of the cost of war. People die in wars, and people should understand that we shouldn’t hide from that fact.”

Democrats dismissed Republican criticism as hypocritical.

"No administration in American history has so partisanized or politicized a war as this administration,” said Howard Wolfson, a Democratic strategist who advises Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York. “They have absolutely no grounds to make any criticisms of this kind.”


07-14-06 07:05 EDT

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Unfortunately, many people need to face reality and see what really goes on. Easy to agree when you are not the one in a war zone being killed and risking your life.

You want to agree with this war? Then don't get offended by the pictures....that is what you wanted. The End.

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posted July 15, 2006 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just when you think dimocrats can't go any lower, after all the lies, all the character assassinations, all the help dimocrats have given and are giving to enemies of this country, all the scorn and ridicule they've heaped on American military forces, dimocrats find yet an even lower gear.

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posted July 15, 2006 01:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The new dimocrat campaign ad was so low even some democrats were gagging...urrrrppp.

Saturday, July 15, 2006 12:03 a.m. EDT
Democrats Pull 'Flag-Draped Coffin' Ad


Democrats pulled an Internet ad that showed flag-draped coffins Friday after Republicans and at least two Democrats demanded it be taken down on grounds the image was insensitive and not fit for a political commercial.


The ad by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee called for a "new direction" and displayed a staccato of images, including war scenes, pollution and breached levees as well as a photograph of former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay doctored to look like a police mug shot.

The campaign committee replaced the ad with a radio commercial that targets Rep. John Hostetler, R-Ind., for opposing an increase in the minimum wage. Democrats have made a minimum wage increase a central theme of this year's election.


Democrats had featured the video ad for nearly two weeks on the DCCC Web site where it had gone largely unnoticed until Republicans began objecting to it this week. On Thursday, more than a dozen Republicans, many with military backgrounds, called on DCCC Chairman Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., to apologize. Democratic Reps. John Spratt of South Carolina and Chet Edwards of Texas asked Emanuel to pull or alter the ad.


"We're moving to another major effort that we're highlighting on our Web site," DCCC spokesman Bill Burton said.

In South Carolina, Spratt's Republican challenger, state Rep. Ralph Norman, commended the removal. It was "the right thing to do for the state, country and especially the brave men and women who serve in our military," said Norman's spokesman, Nathan Hollifield.
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posted July 15, 2006 06:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's what Mark McKinnon, Bush's '04 media czar, told the New York Times about it.

"'This is one where I respectfully disagree with my colleagues: I think it is an appropriate image,' Mr. McKinnon said. 'I thought it was appropriate when we used it.'"
"'It reminds people of the cost of 9/11,' he added. 'It reminds people of the cost of war. People die in wars, and people should understand that we shouldn’t hide from that fact.'"

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posted July 17, 2006 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So what's the point AG? Because one Republican or "a" Repiblican said it was "okay" and he happened to be the media czar for Bush in 04, that means something? Big freaking deal. If Nancy Pelosi said it was cool to see Jews murdered in Gaza and show their coffins would that then make it okay for the demoncrats to push that forward?


Including pictures of Soldier's coffins is NOT the same as discussing or featuring 9-11 in a political ad. Those Soldier's died as a result of war and their families (as well as those that died) deserve the utmost respect even if the commie, idiot leftest hate this freaking war. How would some of those idiot liberals enjoy the media flooding the funeral of one of their children that died as a result of a drunk driver and then it was featured in an ad for the Republicans "This democrat can thank Libby the Liberal for the death of her his daughter by a drunk driver. Hell, Libby might as well have given the driver a keg and the keys to the car... Republicans would never have allowed that to occur"...

Do you see how digusting that is? The same holds true when some a-hole dimocrat decides to feature our Soldiers in an add stating the dimocrats could have done it better. Yeah right, just like Al gore could have stopped the hurricane (which was most likely caused by the abundance of hot air created by Pelosi and Howard Dean - there's your global warming folks).

People b1tch and moan about the war and the extreme leftests use the deaths of the Soldiers to promote their own cause yet their compassion is as real as Anna Nicole Smith's Boobs.


The liberals have been warned about using this tactic and they have tetered a few times on the edge of doing it.... it's quite sad in that they have almost no retraint when it comes to that which is absolutely vile.

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posted July 17, 2006 03:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His point was that there is actually hope that one of them at least isn't brain washed.

Think about it ogar


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posted July 17, 2006 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You wouldn't know a point VL if it poked you through your helmet and let the air out of your head.

Go hitch a ride with Shopping cart man and wheel your inept self back to the soup kitchen.

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posted July 17, 2006 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bear the Leo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am in the Military. I think it is absolutely obsured that anyone would use these types of photos to promote anything, especially politics. In my experience any time the lefties are in charge of anything that has to do with the military, the Soldiers lose money and the equipment is last on the list of stuff to keep upgraded. So, I guess you could have added 10x the amount of coffins if like Gore or Dean was in charge due to the failure to understand the military's needs and missions to defend freedom and our country, if needed. We are still trying to catch up to technology from the last lefty that was in charge. That is so very wrong of them to actually post something like that and they knew thats why it was only posted on the web.

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Venusian Love
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posted July 17, 2006 03:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since when does defending freedom mean killing innocent civilians on a daily basis in another country? HUH??? You lost me there buddy.


You need to go after the terrorists not civilians.


People need to be aware of what is going on.


Anyways, It's not like Bush even cares.

While these soldiers were being blown up and shot at.....he was sipping cocktails in his office and talking about bull*%#@ with Blair.

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posted July 17, 2006 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In case you haven't noticed TP..and its almost a certainty you aren't capable of noticing....Coalition forces are killing your friends the terrorist cowards who hide behind women's skirts and children..in Iraq and in Afghanistan.

Now, the Israelis are killing 2 other branches of the cowardly terrorist family.....who use exactly the same tactic of attacking/targeting civilians deliberately while hiding behind the skirts of women and children.

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posted July 17, 2006 04:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Says who?


News max?


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posted July 17, 2006 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the point is quite clear. Bush's own media czar, who himself used the images of dead bodies in a political ad for Bush, doesn't find the ad outrageous or reprehensible.

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their compassion is as real as Anna Nicole Smith's Boobs

Could you be a little less civil?

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The liberals have been warned about using this tactic and they have tetered a few times on the edge of doing it.... it's quite sad in that they have almost no retraint when it comes to that which is absolutely vile.

Warned? By who? What American has the authority to warn another American about their freedom of expression?

Bear,

I was in the military myself, and under Clinton.

While I agree that military research should have continued during Clinton's tenure I disagree with the entire rest of your statement.

Obviously we can only speculate about possible outcomes were different people in office. However, we can be reasonably certain that the war in Iraq would have been pursued a lot differently if Gore were President. First of all, we might not even be in a war in Iraq if Gore were in office, so that blows your 10x the amount of coffins right there. Second, if we did pursue Iraq under a Democrat the structure and timeline would have likely been different. There would have likely been more time spent with both diplomacy and coalition-building, which could have very well affected the outcome as well as the chances of catching Osama. If you're going to talk about hypotheticals you should consider the big picture.

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Oh wow... lookie here AG is asking ME to be civil LMAO.. OMG... do you even know what that means? Oh wait, tell me you're going to vote me and other's out of your new twit-club?

Last time I checked this was a free speech website where as long we we follow a few rules we can say what we feel. Then again, as if you would understand you feel it's absolutely okay to post someone's chart without their permission, dissect them- use aspects against them - just as LONG as someone doesn't compare the sincerety of the compassion of a leftest to the probability that Anna Nicole Smiths boobs are real.

Give me a freaking break.

Edited to add one last point.. they have been warned by the American people about using Soldier deaths for political promotion. They tried it during the last election and received quite a horrible reaction from the public just as they did this time. If it was just about freedom of speech they wouldn't have kept it to the internet (Afraid to air it on TV) and they wouldn't have pulled it so fast.

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posted July 17, 2006 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahhh.. yes.. serving under Clinton.. letting Osama go..

For the record though- Bear's been in the Army for 12 1/2 years. He's in for at least another 7 1/2 years and wrote the curriculum that was accepted and is now being taught for BNCOC- he's well versed with the Army / Military and is also a major History / warfare buff.

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posted July 17, 2006 09:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, la de dah!

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posted July 17, 2006 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Predictable. 'LMAO,' KS, bringing up what Ozone and IQH did as if it were me. Give YOU a break?

I haven't seen a horrible reaction to either of the ads you refer to. In fact, I can't even remember what ad you're speaking of during the 2004 election. Whatever it was it didn't seem to hurt the run for the presidency too much, since we lost by less than 3%.

Reality check.

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This bush ad...WAS appropriate!


Me thinks....bush doesn't like it thrown in his smirky little face, the number of deaths he's responsible for...with his stupid war!


....he doesn't like it...as brings to attention the murders he and his cronies are responsible for with the stupid war!


Showing those poor dead babies coming home in coffins, in no way disrespects the innocent who were sacrificed but only makes us love them all the more, for
knowing that they put their lives on the line for being brain-washed into thinking they were "fighting for our freedom!"


The picture is a sad and grim reminder of how such a thing didn't have to be....in the first place...


Logic is twisted here...showing those coffins did NOT disrespect anyone - but bush!

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it is everybody's war..we are all connected..equal and the same..there is no One to blame..

yet we could fix it, Simply!

LOve to ALL. ...

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posted July 17, 2006 09:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Go ahead and "fix it" then, lotus....

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posted July 17, 2006 09:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it takes all of us..to fix it..to forgive all..and come full serpent circle..for each to find God within..and Truth..to do all things with Love and Respect..it's simple


yet so hard for human's to do. ...'

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posted July 17, 2006 09:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When we have Anti-war protests in New York which is basically everyone period!


They walk around holding coffins...and put the pictures of Iraqis and Afghanis that have been killed on them. They protest about everything.


People of all colors and nationalities.


My mom went to one in Washington once and they marched to Rumsfield's house and told him to come out and see the coffins.


They probably interrupted him as he and Bush were drinking cocktails.


What's new.


I guess some people cannot stand the fact that they have blood on their hands.

How disgusting eww.


Evil humanoid indeed.


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posted July 17, 2006 09:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
P.S - I am not connected to this war. I don't carry anyone's blood on my hands.


I rather die.


I'd never take the side of any administration that starts conflicts with other countries.

That is why this world is the **#@ hole it is today.

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posted July 17, 2006 09:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the truth is..the World is the way it is today..because of each and everyOne of US. ...

LOve

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Venusian Love
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posted July 17, 2006 10:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't give a damn about my past life and that karma crap.


Whoever put us here made a stupid retarded rule. I don't give a damn about heavenly laws or whatever you want to call it.


Who the hell would remember whether they killed someone in a past life. And then everyone is suppose to know when only a chosen few have the powers to see beyond that?


Bull crap.


If I made this earth then I would never allow anyone to suffer. If someone wants to do something bad I'll use my powers to make them change their mind If I have to.


Where is the loving God who's suppose to be here for us when tragedies strike?


Nowhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a joke or some sort of program.

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we imposed the suffering upon ourSelves..we broke the Universal Laws..the Laws God gave us..coming to Earth was our SoulSpirit idea..they gave us that choice..under certain conditions..Make Deal..Maldek(planet)..

we chose to come here..each and everyOne of US. ...

and what a beautiful Place this Earth is..and look what we have done to it..

are you willing..to undertake to do everyThing with LOve???

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