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Venusian Love
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posted July 19, 2006 09:26 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Arab world's awakening brings hope


With bombs and rockets falling and civilians getting killed in three countries, it is hard to see any good news in the Mideast. But amid the carnage, there is hope. Like a ray of sunshine piercing the darkness, some Muslims are beginning to awaken to the danger of the Islamic extremists in their ranks.
A handful of Arab countries, led by Saudi Arabia, are openly criticizing Hezbollah for starting the war with Israel. In the annals of Arab versus Jew, it is rare for any Arab country to publicly air the family's dirty laundry, especially during a war. Yet that is what Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt and several smaller Persian Gulf countries are doing. The Saudi foreign minister, speaking at an Arab League conference, called Hezbollah's attacks "inappropriate and irresponsible" and warned they "will pull the whole region back to years ago and we cannot simply accept that."

The awakening is even spreading to Iraq, where The New York Times reported that Sunnis, the fiercest opponents of our troops, now say they want Americans to stay to protect them from other Muslims. Some Sunni leaders want us to send more troops, according to The Times, which recounted this scene at a Baghdad mosque: "When an American convoy rolled in recently, a remarkable message rang out from loudspeakers of the Abu Hanifa Mosque, where Saddam Hussein made his last public appearance ...

"'The American Army is coming with the Iraqi Army - do not shoot,'" the voice said ... "'They are here to help you.'"

Wow. Say it again: The Americans are here to help. That's music to my ears.

Of course, there is no guarantee the Arab masses will "get it," as illustrated by the mayhem in Iraq yesterday. The suicide bombers and death squads went about their grisly work in Iraq on the same day the UN reported that sectarian violence there left nearly 6,000 civilians dead in the past two months.

Nor are pure motives always behind those joining the anti-terror brigade. Saudi, Jordanian and Egyptian officials are alarmed by the rise of Hezbollah largely because it is a Shiite organization and closely allied with Iran and Syria. They don't want unrest spreading to their own populations and they don't want Iran and its madman president to be a dominant regional power.

Whatever their reasons, the converts are welcome to the good-guy movement. Indeed, as the old saying goes, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. That is doubly true in the Mideast, where religion, tribe and sect create ancient layers of loyalty and conflict.

Our failure to understand this lethal mix accounts for much of our trouble in Iraq.

But if scattered self-interests can become common interests, then all may not be lost. Especially since Israel is willing to do the hard work of smashing Hezbollah, condemnation from the usual suspects notwithstanding. Does France ever get tired of lecturing the rest of the world?

One result of Israel's courage is that sensible people from the Arab world are speaking up. One is Ahmed al-Jarallah, the independent-minded editor of the Arab Times, a Kuwaiti paper that publishes in Arabic and English and online. In a recent commentary, Jarallah cited Hamas and Hezbollah as Arab problems, not solutions, then made a stunning declaration: "Unfortunately we must admit that in such a war the only way to get rid of 'these irregular phenomena' is what Israel is doing. The operations of Israel in Gaza and Lebanon are in the interest of people of Arab countries and the international community."

Take that, France. And the rest of us should take heart.

Originally published on July 19, 2006

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maklhouf
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posted July 19, 2006 09:46 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see no hope in the above article, because it is hopelessly biased. No doubt some Arabs have been bribed sufficiently to say they want their country occupied by alien nations, "keeping the peace" they destroyed already with their manipulative covert manouevering. Who the fvck are "the good guys"?

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lioneye68
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posted July 19, 2006 11:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The good guys, IMO, are the people who are mad as hell at terrorism and not going to take it anymore.

Satan's army. That's who the bad guys are. (of course, IMO only)

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maklhouf
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posted July 20, 2006 07:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is terrorism?

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lioneye68
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posted July 20, 2006 11:26 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, Gee I don't know.

Did you just get here from Jupiter or something?

I think you're just baiting people.

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maklhouf
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posted July 20, 2006 11:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
I think you're just baiting people.

But I think you are not thinking at all. I think you don't know how to think. Nothing you have said gives any evidence of ordered or even disordered thought processes. You're just repeating something you've heard.

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lioneye68
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posted July 20, 2006 01:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's a fine line between violent acts carried out to bring attention to an ongoing injustice - and violent acts carried out simply to kill people of a different ethnic group, or as an act of vengence. But, these are both the impetus for terrorism, and neithor one is righteous, although the latter is more vile than the other.

Generally, these acts do not serve the purpose of gaining sympathy for the injustice, they really just turn people's hearts and minds against them.

If I shot you, because your government refuses to let me work in your country, does that help me to get work in your country? No, of course not. Does that make anybody feel sorry my plight at all? No, actually the opposite. Well, this is what terrorism is, and this is what it does. It kills people who are not the perpetrators of the injustice, and it generates nothing but animosity, and more violence.


And it's not the same as collateral damages incured within a war, because the victims of terrorism are murderd on purpose, yet don't even know they are an opponent. Ok, that could be said for civilians killed in a war zone. But, at least they know it's a war zone, and danger is emminant. They're forwarned of coming attacks, because the common people are not the intended targets. They're warned so they can get the hell out of Dodge, or at the very least they can take cover.

Ok, lets face it - Terrorism is warfare of the vigilante kind. So, therefore, acts of terror are acts of war.

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lioneye68
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posted July 21, 2006 03:33 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where'd you go Maklhouf? I thought you wanted some bait??????????

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DayDreamer
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posted July 21, 2006 03:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's a good question malkouf!!

Especially when it is used by the media so frequently. It seems like any act of violence anyone of Muslim background does is considered terrorism. Yet no act of violence by the "coalition forces" is an act of terror, even if it kills tens, if not hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.

Oh, and yes it is only terrorism when the acts are against occupying forces like the US. However, when the attacks in the past were against Russia, as one example, these groups were considered freedom fighters.

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lioneye68
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posted July 21, 2006 04:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wake up Day Dreamer. Apples to Oranges here.

Terrorists target civilains ON PURPOSE.
Legit Army's attempt to get civilians out of harms way first. If the enemy wishes to hide among skirts and school busses, this says more about them than their attackers. Hello, that's why the U.S. went to the Middle East. They know this about terrorists. They didn't just fall of the turnip truck yesterday.

And no offence to you, as you are civilized and care about women's rights, and grew up in Canada, so you must have that Canadian "live & let live" attitude. I'm going to assume you do. But you don't have to defend the Arabian blood fest that is opposed to any cooperation to peace in the middle east, nor do you have to hate the Jews without understanding why they fight like they do. You might be a hypocrite if you approach it this way. You're not a hypocrite are you????????? Please, say no, otherwise growing up in Canada has been wasted on you.

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DayDreamer
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posted July 21, 2006 07:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, I am already awake…it’s impossible for me to type in my sleep.

Terrorists target civilians on purpose. And terrorists should be brought to justice.

Does that mean everyone fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan is a terrorist?

Why are there Iraqis and Afghanis fighting against the coalition forces? Because they’re all terrorists and target civilians on purpose?

You don’t give two sh!ts about all the innocent civilians or should I say ragheads or desert n!ggers that you’ve killed over there as long as you believe you’re saving your civilized a$$ over here in the process.

How many tens, hundreds of thousands must die?

Were they not terrorized when they were killed?

Were they all behind 9/11?

No offense taken. I don’t take your words seriously because you don’t know the half of it. Please don’t tell me you’re a fake (lie about even listening to the other side), a filthy liar (I never said I hated Jews) and a hypocrite (don’t follow your own words), otherwise Canada has been a waste on you.

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DayDreamer
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posted July 21, 2006 08:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, lioneye, dont post to me again.

If you have a question address it to SGA or someone else because I dont want to waste any more of my time chatting to you.

Thanks and Bye.

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lioneye68
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posted July 21, 2006 01:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I DO try to see both sides of every issue, alot harder than most, IMO.

Sorry for being rude to you. I blame the merlot.

thanks bye.

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