posted July 27, 2006 06:14 PM              

He lies to demonize Islam.

posted July 27, 2006 06:16 PM              

He calls himself a religious, Godly man?

posted July 27, 2006 06:17 PM            

Robertson labeled Islam a "bloody, brutal type of religion"
Summary: On the Christian Broadcasting Corp.'s 700 Club, host Pat Robertson expressed concern that Americans, "especially the American left," need to "wake up" to the "danger" that Islam presents. Robertson continued: "Who ever heard of such a bloody, bloody, brutal type of religion? But that's what it is. It is not a religion of peace."
On the April 28 edition of the Christian Broadcasting Corp.'s (CBN) 700 Club, host Pat Robertson referred to Islam as a "bloody, brutal type of religion." Following a report suggesting that those who convert from Islam could face hardships and even death sentences in some Middle Eastern countries, Robertson expressed concern that Americans, "especially the American left," need to "wake up" to the "danger" that Islam presents. He said that, in the past, Muslim invaders would kill "an unbeliever" if they would not convert to Islam and that today, "if somebody wants to leave Islam, they're going to kill them." Robertson continued: "Whoever heard of such a bloody, bloody, brutal type of religion? But that's what it is. It is not a religion of peace."

Robertson has frequently asserted that "Islam is not a religion of peace," as he did in the April 28 broadcast. For instance, as Media Matters for America previously noted, Robertson made similar comments on April 24 when he warned his viewers that "we are not listening" to what Islam "says," just as we did not listen to "what Adolf Hitler said in Mein Kampf." On a March 13 broadcast, Robertson declared that Muslims who protested controversial cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad were "satanic" and "crazed fanatics" who were "motivated by demonic power." On the July 14, 2005, broadcast of The 700 Club, Robertson blurred the distinction between radical Islamists and the Muslim community at large, claiming that Islam instructs its followers to commit acts of terrorism. Robertson stated: "Islam, at least at its core, teaches violence. It's there in the Quran in clear, bold statements." According to the Associated Press, during a 2002 broadcast of the program, Robertson declared that Islam "is not a peaceful religion that wants to coexist. They want to coexist until they can control, dominate and then, if need be, destroy."

Robertson has also made other controversial remarks, such as calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez at least twice ; proclaiming that then-Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was the result of Sharon's policy of withdrawal from the Gaza Strip; and suggesting that God would punish Disney World's annual Gay Days festivities by bringing "destruction of your nation" through "earthquakes, tornadoes, and possibly a meteor."

From the April 28 edition of The 700 Club:

ROBERTSON: Ladies and gentlemen, I don't know what it's going to take to wake up the American, especially the American left, to the danger that Islam faces, or presents to all of us. But here's what Muhammad said, he said, "If you find an unbeliever and he will submit to Islam and pay alms, then let him go in peace. If not, kill him." So, in other words, when they were taking over a country, people were forced to convert to Islam under the penalty of death. And now, on the other hand, they say if somebody wants to leave Islam, they're going to kill them on the other side. Who ever heard of such a bloody, bloody, brutal type of religion? But that's what it is. It is not a religion of peace. Islam means submission. Submission to the Quran, to Muhammad, to the quote, "will of Allah, as revealed by Muhammad." And the penalty of not submitting is death. A penalty of leaving, in many of these countries, as [700 Club correspondent] Erick Stakelbeck has so eloquently shown, is also death.

posted July 27, 2006 06:21 PM            

Religion Of Violence And Death

By: Aram Tofi

Dec 7, 2004

Islam started with war and killing. Muhammad as god’s prophet, spread over Islam with a bloodied sword in his hand. At that time, the Islamized primitive Arab clans were settled in current Saudi Arabia, which was well meant and well suited for them. More than a thousand years later, however, nothing special has happened but Islam is still considered to be a religion of violence and destruction. This is not assumption or baseless accusation, this is a fact. It took Islam six hundred years to destroy the civilizations of Mesopotamia and Egypt.

Moreover Islam spread slowly to other peace loving nations such as India and Kurdistan. Consequently they destroyed sophisticated and well developed cultures in the regions such as Iran (which is still in progress, being conducted by the Mullahs in Tehran).

The second destruction by Islam is Kurdistan and the Kurdish identity.
The Islamizing of Kurdistan started with war in the heart of Kurdistan and the mutilation of children and women. The evidence of this is thousands of tombs of (Ashaaba) Muhammad’s followers who were buried everywhere in Kurdistan.

Those people were killers and rapists just like Saddam’s mercenaries. The irony is these murderers are now considered to be holy men. However, the spirit of the Kurd has survived the bloody history of Islam. To justify this opinion, we need to examine the countries that are ruled by Islam. I can tell you directly it’s really hard to find one single country that has democracy and respect for human life. The best one is Saudi Arabia. It’s now year 2004 and still women CANNOT vote, nor be allowed to drive cars, or have a simple conversation with men.

This is a fundamental of Islam and the rules are not exaggerated. Because this is the nature of Islam (which is narrow minded, judgmental, and based on the Quran). In turn, it reflects a desert values and chauvinistic ideas.
Now my point is, those values and the degradation of human beings don’t match the Kurdish values. The Kurd, with a history of more than 6000 years with a profoundly developed culture and respect for women, also has admiration for all living things.

Kurds have writers and poets such as Goran, Wafai and Qanik; they have poems of love, passion, beauty of women and body, and about nature and affections. In contrast the Quran never mentions one single word of love; it’s always about hate and killing. It’s about how God will burn them if they don’t do this and that.

Before islamization and arabization of Kurdistan the people had a greater role in the area. Then, the Islam invaded Kurdistan, consequently the violence of the Quran was implemented over Kurdistan. The Sura Al anfal was latterly redeployed by Saddam with great pleasure.

Surat Al-Anfal

Remember, when your Lord revealed to the angels, “Verily I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks and smite over all their fingers and toes. This is because they defied and disobeyed Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad). And whoever defies and disobeys Allah and His Messenger, them verily, Allah is Severe in punishment. This is the torment, so taste it and surely, for the disbelievers is the torment of the Fire.
(Surat Al-Anfal – Spoils of War- 8:12-14)

Now, it is high time to abandon the religion of killing and hate. The religion was never actually chosen, it was compelled, and that is why it should be removed. My appeal to the Kurdish authorities and politicians is to act now and don’t miss this golden opportunity! Here is what they can do to repair the damage and build a society without bloodshed and hate.

Do not allow Islamic aid organizations in Kurdistan to build mosques. How about building Kurdish schools instead. (NOT religious)

• Have a policy that every village must have at least one school.

• Yazidi should be recognized as the main Kurdish religion and be included in the school books.

• Expel the Turkish based language centers. They could open a Kurdish languages course in Turkey (if they want to help).

• Political parties should build upon the ideology of constructive ideas. NOT religions!

• Debunk the violence of Islam in the history books and their genocide of Kurdish people.

• Develop a Kurdish related alphabet and get rid of the Arabic. In addition, merge Sorani and Kirmanji and purge the language of any Arabic influence.

• Computerize and industrialize Kurdistan and make it’s agriculture independent

• Develop a good relationship with Israel (Kurds and Jews have more in common than Arabs and Kurds)

• Don’t ever put your destiny in your neighbor’s hands (such as Turks and Arabs)

• The Shiites and Sunni Arabs are NOT your friends (as soon as they build an army they are going to send it to Kurdistan for jihad)

• There are thousands of highly educated Kurds abroad. Invite them back home and employ them as political science advisers, pedagogical instructors. Etc.

• Have one army of Kurdistan with Special Forces (politically independent)

• What ever happens in Iraq, don’t follow the rules of the Islam.

• If you stay in the federation of Iraq, demand the change to have your own flag and change the name of IRAQ

• Make a deal with the USA and continue to struggle towards a “Kurdish state,” (it’s your legitimate right!) You don’t need to declare yourself to the Turks, saying that you don’t seek self independence.

• Develop and construct highways, bridges, and AIRPORTS (NOT with Turkey BUT with Greece or Israel) to interconnect the entire Kurdistan into one unit and connect to the rest of the world. Why do you have to justify and apologize if you have relations with Israel?

• Have an independent media (Not politically related)

• Expel all foreigners from North Africa: e.g. Algeria, Egypt, Sudan, Morocco, Syrian, Yemen and Saudi Arabia. (this includes the Turks)

• To the Kurdish leaders: Stop idealizing Syria, Turkey and Iran. Iran and Syria is the base of terrorists. Turkey is a land of prejudices.

• Leave Baghdad and concentrate every effort on rebuilding Kurdistan. (while Shiites torture themselves to commemorate Hassan and Hussein)

• The collaborators with Mukhbarat should be suspended and debarred from their party and government offices. Reveal there names and bring them to justice. Finally, make the files of perpetrators official.

• Combat corruptions. Now it is easy for everyone to get a piece of mark for free, this is supposed to be allocated for the victims of Saddam's crime. Even I got an offer to receive one, only if I know someone in PUK’s hieratical. This shows how corrupt these administrations are.

Finally it seems that Mam Jalal has got the Arafat syndrome, namely, he will die and take the power and the money into the grave. The Kurdish leaders must act now, and stop humiliating themselves and the Kurds in front of Turkey. To Mam Jalal, please don’t talk too much when you meet the media in Arab countries, it only leads to more stupid comments. The last comment of Mam Jalal in Egypt was that he condemned the coalition force for using obsessive force. Why doesn’t he ask about the fate of young Kurdish girls that were abducted and sold to Egypt? In a visit to Turkey Mam Jalal made this comment “Turkey is a great democracy” That is ironic as the rest of the world considers Turkey to be a corrupt and fascistic regime.

The Kurdish leaders need to open the doors and allow other more intelligent people to have a chance to make a contribution.

posted July 27, 2006 06:22 PM              

He lied about Iran having atomic weapons...

posted July 27, 2006 06:24 PM              

People are scared of the religion and make up lies about it.

There have been some bad things done in the name of Islam, like other religions, particularly Christianity.

posted July 27, 2006 06:29 PM            

I want emphasize that the author states this is not an article against ISLAM but against those that would pervert Islam in order to promote violence through terrorism.

MUHAMMAD, ISLAM, AND TERRORISM

by Silas

INTRODUCTION

The actions of Islamic terrorist groups operating throughout the world are well known. Islamic terrorists have bombed and destroyed buildings, planes, and vehicles. Additionally, during the last 20 years, Muslim terrorists have targeted and murdered tens of thousands of males, females, adults, and children. All over the world, in Kenya, Algeria, Indonesia, Egypt, Iran, France, South America and America, etc., Muslim terrorists have attacked and murdered those they felt were a threat to their aims. No one has been spared by these treacherous people.

Not surprisingly, examination of the websites that deal with terrorism show that about one half of all terrorist groups in the world are Islamic in nature.

Why are these groups Islamic? What does the religion of Islam have to do with terrorism? Is there a link between the two? How do these groups justify murdering civilians based upon Islamic values? Are terrorism and murder actually allowed under Islam?

This article examines the basis for Islamic terrorism found within Islam. Starting with Muhammad and reviewing his teachings and his actions, and then visiting what other Muslims have taught, the fundamentals of Islamic terrorism will be examined.

When the violence began...

"THE APOSTLE RECEIVES THE ORDER TO FIGHT

The apostle had not been given permission to fight or allowed to shed blood before the second Aqaba [a place where a pledge was made between Muhammad and his followers from Medina]. He had simply been ordered to call men to God and to endure insult and forgive the ignorant. The Quraysh [a leading group of Meccans] had persecuted his followers, seducing some from their religion and exiling others from their country. They had to choose whether to give up their religion, be maltreated at home, or to flee the country, some to Abyssinia, others to Medina.

When Quraysh became insolent towards God and rejected His gracious purpose, accused His prophet of lying, and ill treated and exiled those who served Him and proclaimed His unity, believed in His prophet and held fast to His religion, He gave permission to His apostle to fight and to protect himself against those who wronged them and treated them badly......[a]

The meaning is "I have allowed them to fight only because they have been unjustly treated while their sole offense against men has been that they worship God. When they are in the ascendant they will establish prayer, pay the poor-tax, enjoin kindness, and forbid iniquity, i.e., the prophet and his companions all of them." Then God sent down to him: "Fight them so that there be no more seduction," [b] i.e. until no believer is seduced from his religion. "And the religion is God's,", i.e. Until God alone is worshipped."

END OF QUOTE

[Note: two passages from the Quran are referenced: [a] Sura 22:39-41, which I did not quote, and [b] Sura 2:193]

Two critical points here:

1) in Mecca, where Muhammad was weak, he attacked no one. He only preached his religion and insulted the Meccan's religions. But it was just prior to his leaving for Medina, where he had a limited amount of armed men to support him, that he received this "revelation" and began to use violence to further his desires. Islamic history shows that as Muslims grew in power their forms of violence changed from criminal terrorism to outright warfare.

2) At the end of the quote, it says that Muslims are to fight those who do not worship Allah.

I also comment on Ibn Ishaq's work. When reading this passage from Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad is made to appear to be long suffering and primarily fighting in self defense, and that up until just before Muhammad's departure, the Meccan persecution was tolerable, but that it became so bad that Muhammad was finally given permission to fight back.

The problem with this is that Muhammad had been severely persecuted prior to this and that Muslims had been abused well before their departure. In other words, the quoted passage is apologetic work on Ibn Ishaq's part. Earlier, well before the Treaty of Aqaba, things were so bad for Muhammad that he went to a town called Taif to seek their help and protection [Guillaume, op cit, page 192]. The Taifians rejected and abused him. Things were so bad for Muhammad in Mecca, Muhammad had to beg three men for their protection [Guillaume, op cit, page 194].

In Mecca, Muhammad continued to proclaim himself as a prophet and he was abused all the more. He never received any "revelations" to fight at that time.

Eventually, good fortune fell into Muhammad's lap and just as in Adolph Hitler's case, his persistence paid off. A group of feuding Arabs in Medina accepted him as their prophet. They hoped he could help them maintain peace. They eventually made a pledge to support Muhammad in war against the Quraysh [Guillaume, op cit, page 205]. Now Muhammad knew he had an able and armed following. It was only when he had a following who could defend themselves, and his people were migrating north to Medina, and that he knew he was going to leave town, that suddenly "Allah" gave Muhammad his "revelation" to fight. Muhammad's circumstances changed, and Muhammad's Allah changed with them. Muhammad went from being only a "warner" to being an aggressor.

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Silas/terrorism.htm

posted July 27, 2006 06:31 PM            

There are all just random acts of violence or they are really done by the CIA or the Jewish Army in order to "frame" Islam.

Wow... talk about brainwashed......

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The democratic world believes that it is not the terrorists that are to blame, but us. Us, the westerners.
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the sooner you eliminate this misconception from your minds, the better.
We are NOT to blame. It is the freaking terrorists and the freaking terrorists only!!!! They are the bad guys. They do not understand concepts like peace, democracy, and respect for human life. They are, pure and simPle, EVIL!!!!! Behind all their political manipulations, if you carefully look at the actions of these MONSTERS, they are EVIL!!

http://www.mideastweb.org/log/archives/00000489.htm

posted July 27, 2006 06:32 PM              

You must read answering christianity too...at least they know lying is a sin.

posted July 27, 2006 06:33 PM            

This murder was committed upon Muhammad's command. Note that this Muslim murderer would have killed a family member at the drop of a hat. Muhammad was no better than a bigoted criminal boss, ordering his men to wantonly murder Jewish people. Hitler did this. And, this is what Serbs are doing to the Kosovan Muslims. Muhammad's command to murder Jews puts him in the same category as Milosovic, Hitler, and others who have persecuted Jews throughout history.

A quote from an Islamic scholar - Wensinck writes in his, "Muhammad and the Jews of Medina" [2], page 113:

"It is remarkable that tradition attributes Muhammad's most cruel acts to divine order, namely the siege of Qaynuqa, the murder of Kab, and he attack upon Qurayzah. Allah's conscience seems to be more elastic than that of his creatures."..... Ibn Ishaq and al-Waqidi report that the prophet said the morning after the murder (of Kab Ashraf), "Kill any Jew you can lay your hands on.".

This incident is also documented in Tabari's History [3], page 97 of volume 7.

This shows that Muhammad had unsuspecting people, those who even had good relations with Muslims, murdered in cold blood because they were Jewish. There was no justification to murder these Jews other than they were not Muhammad's followers. These actions were the work of Muhammad's terrorists committing murder.

posted July 27, 2006 06:34 PM              

You people are out to kill Muslims and destroy Islam.

posted July 27, 2006 06:39 PM            

Articles are posted with vast numbers of references pointing out that there is a significant number of terrorists that use Islam to support terrorism and your answer is we are against Muslims?

Speaking for myself, I am against ANY religion that believes in murdering those that are not apart of their religion.

If we terrorized Muslims we would have blown up all the Mosques in this country and chased them all away now wouldn't we?

Wow.... you start a post blasting a man and I post relevent material supporting the argument that there are Muslim terrorists that use Muhommad to justify murder and now you say WE are terrorizing muslims.. LMAO...

That is such a joke.

posted July 27, 2006 06:44 PM              

TRANSCRIPT OF HANNITY & COLMES

FOX NEWS NETWORK
September 18, 2002 Wednesday

GUESTS: Pat Robertson
HOSTS: Sean Hannity, Alan Colmes

COLMES: I'm Alan Colmes. We're back on HANNITY & COLMES.

Coming up tonight, why is one prison in California denying black inmates their right to have visitors? Is this discrimination
veiled in the guise of security? We'll debate that. First, joining us now, the chairman and founder of the Christian Broadcasting Network, the Reverend Pat Robertson.

Reverend Robertson, always good to have you on the program. PAT ROBERTSON, CHRISTIAN BROADCASTING NETWORK: Hey, it's a pleasure as usual.

COLMES: All right, sir. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops president, William Gregory, said yesterday that it would be
difficult to justify preemptive attack under Roman Catholic teachings on warfare. Where do you stand on that?

ROBERTSON: I would tell the good bishop to read the book of Habakkuk in the Old Testament and see what it says about those who kill and pillage and rape and hurt innocent people, that the judgment of the Lord needs to come on them. And you know, with Saddam Hussein, 500,000 innocent Iranians killed, 5,000 to 6,000 Kurds gassed. Who knows how many Shi'ite Muslims and how many of his enemies? He actually boils them in oil. This man is a horrible monster. And...

COLMES: You know, nobody denies that. Nobody is saying they love Saddam Hussein. The question is, what is proper? What is just? Should the United States take a preemptive strike? And does that violate Christian teaching for the United States to be the one to decide we're going after this guy?

ROBERTSON: Well, somebody has got to enforce this. You know, we've been spending a billion dollars a year on that no-fly zone over there every year since the Gulf War. And we went in to help the innocent. We went in to help the oppressed, the Kuwaitis. And now others are being oppressed. And the bible says to lift the yolk of oppression from those who would hurt the
innocent and the non-combatants, if you will.

COLMES: You've come on this show many times. We've talked about members of the religion of Islam on this program, your view of people of that religion. And you have often said that not enough have spoken out about the atrocity of September 11. And I want to show you the statement of the Study of Islam and Democracy, signed on by dozens and dozens of individuals and groups where they said, "We wish again to state unequivocally that neither the al-Qaeda organization nor Usama bin Laden represents Islam or reflects Muslim beliefs and practice. Rather, groups like al-Qaeda have misused and abused Islam in order to fit their own radical and indeed anti-Islamic agenda."

And this is again signatories all over the place, dozens. They speak for mainstream Muslims in America and worldwide.

ROBERTSON: You know, I hate to tell you, Alan, but that is absolute falsehood, not on your part, but on the part of those who signed it. All you have to do is read the writings of Mohammed in the Koran. He urges people to attack the infidels. He urges his followers to kill Christians and Jews. He talks about eradicating all of the Jews. This man was an absolute wild-eyed fanatic. He was a robber and a brigand. And to say that these terrorists distort Islam, they're carrying out Islam.

HANNITY: Reverend, how widespread do you think that fanatical interpretation is? Do you think it's mainstream? Or do
you think it's the majority of Muslims?

ROBERTSON: I think there are many Muslims, just like there are many Catholics and there are many Jews and there are many
Protestants, that don't really understand what their religion believes. And they go along. And they're just kind of easy to get along with folks.

But I think that in the Muslim world, you look at where the terror is, you look at where the dictators are, you look at where the oppression is, and it's all in the Muslim world. And I think especially with Saudi Arabia and Syria and Iran, there is a typical Muslim state. That's a Muslim theocracy.

HANNITY: Yes.

ROBERTSON: And look what the Taliban did in Afghanistan. I mean, these people were carrying out fundamental Muslim teaching.

HANNITY: So Islam is a threat bigger than what most people are willing to say publicly?

ROBERTSON: I don't think there's any question about it. And I think the sooner we confront the enemy and say look, this is the teaching these people. You know, I majored in history in college. And we learned about jihad. Mohammed declared jihad against the infidels. And he carried that thing all the way up to Bordeaux in Spain and the Ottomans, were all the way up to Hungary on the other side of Europe.

HANNITY: What is that -- what do mainstream Muslims to think when they hear what you're saying? Is it that -- I mean, because you're going right to the heart and soul of their religion. And you're saying it's predicated on these things, take neither Christians and Jews for your friends. You talk about jihad, holy war. Some people have argued on this program no, no, that's not interpreted correctly. What -- I mean, it's a pretty direct frontal attack against them. What are they to think when they hear that?

ROBERTSON: All I would say, if you read the teachings of Jesus, he talks about peace. He talks about love your enemies. He
talks about do good to them that persecute you. You read the Koran, it says wage war against your enemies. Kill them if you possibly can. And destroy anybody who doesn't agree with you.I mean, it's all laid out in the Koran. And what is called the hadif (ph), the -- you know, interpretation of what Mohammed said, that this whole thing is in my opinion, is a monumental scam, if you really understand what went on back there in the early days of Mohammed.

HANNITY: Do you think it's inevitable, then, that the world is going to be in conflict, perhaps even at war, with Islam for many
decades to come?

ROBERTSON: Unless our government and the leaders recognize the threat, the answer is absolutely yes. And when you see what's done to Christians in Indonesia, for example, when you see the persecution in Saudi Arabia. Here you look at Sudan. They killed two million plus Christians because of Shiria (ph). In Nigeria right now, they're getting ready to stone a woman to death for adultery. And it just goes on and on and on, the list of horror.

COLMES: We're going to take a quick break.

ROBERTSON: Yes.

COLMES: I want to talk to you about your statement that Islam is a sham when we get back. More with Pat Robertson after this.

Later, since that brutal attack on three prison guards in August, black inmates in a California prison are being punished. Is
this a blatant case of racial profiling? That's ahead on HANNITY & COLMES tonight.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HANNITY: Still to come, a brutal attack in California in a prison leads to a crackdown on some of the inmates. But why are some people screaming racism? We'll debate that. We'll tell you about it.First, we continue with the Reverend Pat Robertson. Reverend, look, I hate to even say this, I don't want to even think this, but I'm really coming to the conclusion that Tom Daschle and some of the Democrats seem not to have learned a lot from September 11. There is this desire, this gullibility. They're just gullible as -- they want to believe Saddam Hussein after 12 years of lie after lie after lie. And I think that lack of wisdom makes this country vulnerable and susceptible because it allows him, buys him time to get his weapons of mass destruction.

ROBERTSON: You know, Sean, he has violated seven clear-cut resolutions of the United Nations Security Council. Not one, not two, not three, but seven of them. Not to mention the additional internal discussions along the way. He stiffed the inspectors every time. He has prevented them from discovering these weapons of mass destruction. He has an estimated 600
tons of deadly gases and biological chemical agents. Who knows how much nuclear material he's got? The Ukrainians are talking about missing 200 nuclear devices. And if they fell into his hands, we may be in deadly peril from this man. He's a madman.

HANNITY: But the left doesn't get that. They want one more chance. We've got to try to allow the inspectors in. One more time. All it does is buy him time to seek new weapons of mass destruction, allows himself to create alliances with terror groups. And if he ever gets them, he may not have the means of launching them from here, but he certainly can get them to
Israel. And he certainly perhaps can get across our borders if he has, you know, alliance with a terrorist organization. They don't get it. They don't get it. They didn't get it when Reagan was fighting the Cold War. They want to abolish the CIA. The left in America doesn't get it.

ROBERTSON: Well, I've read books recently. And I'm sure you have too that go back in the history. And your own book pointed it out, some of the terrible failings of our intelligence. There's a book just out about the intelligence breakdown...

HANNITY: Yes.

ROBERTSON: ...that shows how the left, as you say, opposed virtually everything. You go back to the church...

COLMES: Oh, reverend.

ROBERTSON: ...they wanted to gut the CIA.

COLMES: First of all, Daschle and Gephardt are on the same page as the president. I showed you quotes just a few minutes ago. They're on the same page. They're not even arguing with him. We had one Democrat on tonight as a guest, who's running for office in Chicago, who's finally speaking out as some -- I think most Democrats should. They're on the same page.
They're capitulating. There's not even healthy debate in this country, reverend. So to say that the left, the evil horrible left is doing the wrong thing, is just not accurate.

ROBERTSON: Well, you know, they know how to put their finger up in the wind and the voters...

COLMES: Oh, come on. You didn't do any polling when you were running for president? You didn't do any polling when you were running for president?

ROBERTSON: Well, of course you do polling, but they have polled. And they've got the control of the Senate at stake. And they know they'll lose.

COLMES: Yes?

ROBERTSON: And the Republicans are beating them up all over the country, in South Dakota, in Iowa, and Georgia, and...

COLMES: We'll see in a few days. Let me show you something you said, the last time you appeared on HANNITY & COLMES. Let's take a look.

ROBERTSON: All right.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ROBERTSON: Liberals always lie.

COLMES: Oh, please. Come on.

ROBERTSON: They always lie.

COLMES: Come on, that's not...

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COLMES: What -- Pat, what would Jesus say about that kind of a comment? Liberals always lie?

HANNITY: Amen.COLMES: Jesus has spoken. Ladies and gentlemen, Jesus has spoken.

HANNITY: He'd say amen.

COLMES: He's come back. He's sitting next to me. We have just seen the second coming. Go ahead.

ROBERTSON: You know, Jesus spoke to the Pharisees. He called them whitewashed tombs. And he said you know, you always speak a falsehood. So he talked about the devil being a liar and the father of lies. So he said some pretty rough words as well.

COLMES: All right. Is that -- do you want to interpret that as anti- liberal, bigotry? You make a blanket statement, liberals lie? Is that -- that's not a Christian like thing to say.

ROBERTSON: Well, it's not Christian but it's true.

HANNITY: It's true.

ROBERTSON: You know...COLMES: Come on. All liberals lie? They all lie. I'm a liar?

ROBERTSON: Oh yes, they lie from time to time. They don't necessarily lie in every word they say...

COLMES: Wow.

ROBERTSON: ...but their general premise is based on falsehood, so often.

COLMES: Reverend, that seems to me like a lack of critical thinking to make such a blanket statement like that about an entire group of people. I am personally hurt. I'm very sensitive, you know. You hurt my feelings.

HANNITY: Aw.

ROBERTSON: They're diminishing -- I'm not sure, you won't even be in that camp. You're too nice a person to be associated with the...

COLMES: All right, this idea -- and about Islam, you say that Islam is scam.

ROBERTSON: Yes.

COLMES: You're insulting the largest religion on the planet, an entire group of people, when you make a statement like you did in the last segment. Islam is a scam. Do you want to qualify that?

ROBERTSON: Can I tell you why? Can I tell you why?

COLMES: Yes.

ROBERTSON: You've heard of mecca. Mecca, there is a black stone. Mohammed's father and grandfather were keeper of 360 sacred rocks at mecca. And they said there was a meteor or something that fell out of the sky. And the most important deity in mecca was the moon god. And he was the same god that was you know, Ur of Kaldez (ph) when Abraham was up there. And his name was Allah. And he had three daughters. And you remember that the Koran that he wrote into the Koran that he thinks that we should worship those three daughters, and then disciples got after him. So he took the (UNINTELLIGIBLE). And Salman Rushdie wrote about the satanic verses.

This whole thing was situational. It took about 20 years to write the entire Koran. 80 percent of it comes from the Jewish and Christian scriptures. He mentions Moses 500 times in the Koran. I mean, it is strictly a theft of Jewish theology. And then he turned around and he murdered all the Jews in Medina. I mean, this man was a killer. And to think that this is a peaceful religion is fraudulent. It just is. I wish people would read the Koran itself and see what it says, because they'd be shocked.

HANNITY: All right, Reverend Robertson, always good to see you. You know what might be a good idea? I think maybe we should you bring back. And I think we need a live, maybe a half hour, an hour debate on the topic. And I don't know if you'd be willing to do that, but I think it would be very informative for our viewers.

ROBERTSON: Well, I think it's one of those things we've got to wake people up before somebody else blows up another tower or hits another military installation.

HANNITY: Reverend Robertson, thank you...

ROBERTSON: Thank you.

HANNITY: ...as always for being with us. Appreciate you being here.

posted July 27, 2006 06:45 PM              

"If we terrorized Muslims we would have blown up all the Mosques in this country and chased them all away now wouldn't we?"

posted July 27, 2006 06:46 PM              

CAIR today expressed concern about what it says is a pattern of anti-Muslim bias by Fox News Channel citing Wednesday night's "Hannity & Colmes" program as an example of how the network promotes anti-Muslim hate. On that program, host Sean Hannity seemed to encourage televangelist Pat Robertson in his venomous attack on Islam and on the Prophet Muhammad.

About the Prophet Muhammad, Robertson said: "This man was an absolute wild-eyed fanatic. He was a robber and a brigand. And to say that these terrorists distort Islam, they're carrying out Islam." Instead of challenging those hate-filled remarks, Hannity said: "Reverend, how widespread do you think that fanatical interpretation is? Do you think it's mainstream? Or do you think it's the majority of Muslims?"

After Robertson replied by calling Islam "a monumental scam," Hannity said: "So Islam is a threat bigger than what most people are willing to say publicly?... Do you think it's inevitable, then, that the world is going to be in conflict, perhaps even at war, with Islam for many decades to come?"

In the program's second segment, Robertson said: "[The Quran, Islam's revealed text] is strictly a theft of Jewish theology.I mean, this man [Muhammad] was a killer. And to think that this is a peaceful religion is fraudulent."

"Our office receives daily complaints from concerned Muslims and people of other faiths who say that Fox's news and views on Islam, Muslims or the Middle East are neither fair nor balanced. Venomous and hate-filled remarks like those made by Robertson, and Sean Hannity's failure to challenge those remarks, poison the minds of ordinary viewers and can incite acts of violence against American Muslims," said CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad.

Awad added that in just the past month, there was a shooting attack on an Ohio mosque, vandalism at Islamic center under construction in Virginia and the revelation of a detailed plan to attack some 50 Florida mosques. He also called on American religious and political leaders to repudiate defamatory attacks on the faith of Islam.

As other examples of the network's anti-Muslim bias, Awad cited Fox's inflammatory coverage of last Friday's "terror scare" in Florida, talk show host Bill O'Reilly's comparison of the Quran to Hitler's "Mein Kampf" and the network's tendency to ambush and abuse those Muslims who do appear on its programs. He did however note that Fox's "On the Record" with host Greta Van Susteren often presents fair and balanced coverage of Muslims and Islam.

In a recent CAIR survey, 45 percent of Muslim respondents said Fox News was the media outlet that exhibited the most biased coverage of Islam and Muslims. CAIR is seeking to counter anti-Muslim hate in American society with its Library Project, a campaign to encourage Muslim individuals and groups to sponsor 18-item "library packages" of books, videos and audio cassettes about Islam and Muslims for distribution to as many as 16,000 public libraries nationwide. The package contains books such as "Muhammad," a biography of the Prophet Muhammad by Yahiya Emerick.

SEE: http://www.libraryproject.org

posted July 27, 2006 06:56 PM              

http://www.answering-christianity.com/silas_rebuttals.htm

posted July 27, 2006 07:21 PM            

This is what I posted to you in the other thread:
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Oh I see.. so posting a website that was hastily put together without any references other than the authors comments and interpretations is the same?
How many common Christians do you know are strapping bombs onto their bodies and running into congested marketplaces?

How many Christian groups do you know have Rocket Launchers they use to kill.. oh... pick a group - any group... to kill?

DO you see our Christians throwing rocks over the fence at the Mexicans so they won't come over?

The last I checked I didn't see the Vatican offer money to any Christian that fought the good fight by being a homicide bomber and money would be paid to their children and family if they took out a Mosque.

Now, we do have people that take and pervert the word of God- I freely admit that and facts back up that statement (Bombing of abortion clinics etc...)

However, YOU cannot admit that Islam has been perverted by some in order to be used to justify atrocities.

The website you posted is a joke - it is one mans rebuttel without even offering facts. Silas offered quotes from other books taken at the same times that Islam was forming.

Silas is not discounting Islam ONLY the ones that have used it to promote TERRORISM which was stated again and again.

That bears the question DayDreamer

DO you believe there are no Muslim terrorists? IF you believe their are Muslim terrorists that use the word of Islam to kill, then why are you so upset when one posts facts stating just that?

See it's funny...

Because Silas will post a well thought out point and then back it up with facts / references...

Whereas YOUR counter person basically is foaming at the mouth almost yelling "Well yeah You hate muslims.. You're ugly"

Brilliant....

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From the website:

He Wrote (this would be Silas)

INTRODUCTION

This article is not about Muhammad’s appearance (although I include an actual description of him at the end). Rather, this article is about the nature (face) of Muhammad and his religion, Islam.

I’m examining several aspects related to Islam and the world today:

1) Not often mentioned examples of early Islamic violence and terrorism

2) Muhammad’s teachings on the application of violence

3) Current events and how the West is struggling to cope with that face

4) What the future holds for the West

The violence and hatred you see in Muslims today are a reflection of Muhammad's face; a reflection of Muhammad’s actions and teachings; a reflection of his character, his nature. Muhammad had different faces: a devoted and loving face to those that obeyed him, and a harsh, violent face to those that disbelieved him. I use the term "vulgar" because I cannot think of a better term to describe Muhammad's attitude toward, and commands against, those that rejected his claim to be a prophet.

My Response (From DayDreamers buddy)

The only hatred we can see is in yourself, your obvious hate is for all to see in this article of yours, the very title of your article shows how much hate you have for Islam and Muslims in general, so you are the last one to talk about Muslims hating when you are one of the biggest haters out there, along with your other thugs on answering-Islam.

Also if the prophet Muhammad was so harsh towards those who disbelieved in him, then why did he not kill his uncles killer when he had him in his presence? The killer was a non-Muslim, and the prophet did not kill the man but let him go. This is enough to refute your lies, which is something common with you, lie lie lie, a trinity of lies for you!

He Wrote

DEPICTIONS OF TERRORIST VIOLENCE

You’re aware of the recent Muslim violence around the world. Does a week go by during which you don’t hear of Muslims bombing, murdering, burning, or destroying others throughout the world? You cannot find a region, except for Antarctica, that the Muslims have not perpetrated a crime against innocents. The actions of the devout Muslims are a criminal poison in the world today.

My Response

Are you aware of the Christian violence around the world? Such as the illegal invasion of Iraq, and the invasion of helpless Afghanistan.

Does a week go by during which you don't here of the Christian western countries bombing another country? Or bombing a home killing innocent people, or bombing an innocent wedding party etc?

In fact, the western Christian nations have also effected Antarctica! Thanks to mainly western nations the world is being thrown into Global warming, the WHOLE world is being effected including Antarctica! So Christians are the ones who cause trouble all over the world including Antarctica!

The criminal poison in the world today is Christian priests molesting little boys and girls and then saying Jesus loves you. The poison of the world today is Gay Christian priests BEING ALLOWED into the church. The poison of the world today is the western Christian nations legalizing gay marriages, which in a sense is a direct legalization of AIDS.

In fact the likes of Silas are also a poison on the world, why? Because it is western missionaries like himself who force poor people in Africa to convert for food, they tell poor people they will get food if they accept the Bible. This is what you get with the likes of answering-Islam.

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BUT... the question is never quite answered nor is the point really refuted other than to say "Oh yeah.. well... Jesus doesn't love you jerk"

LMAO... great factoid DayDreamer. You're helping Silas case. LOL

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posted July 27, 2006 07:15 PM
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Again...you are making the points for Silas... remember DayDreamer.. Less is more. When you post an entire blurb that takes up the space of 45 normal posts, people won't really read it.. but I think you are actually hoping for that.. thinking that quantity is actually quality.
You're guy may "counter" specific points, but he does so in an irrational manner and doesn't offer any real points to the contrary. It's sad really.. this is what you use to defend yourself? The guy can barely even write.

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PS.. America is not a "Christian" state run by an organization of Christians. We do not go to war on behalf of "Church" we go to war as way to protect ourselves and others.

posted July 27, 2006 08:03 PM              

You will never win an argument using hate.

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How many common Christians do you know are strapping bombs onto their bodies and running into congested marketplaces?
How many Christian groups do you know have Rocket Launchers they use to kill.. oh... pick a group - any group... to kill?

DO you see our Christians throwing rocks over the fence at the Mexicans so they won't come over?

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No because they have bombers and nukes. Actually I wouldnt call them Christian though...the group is about nwo.

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Whereas YOUR counter person basically is foaming at the mouth almost yelling "Well yeah You hate muslims.. You're ugly"
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You obviously didnt read the article. It shows.

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The violence and hatred you see in Muslims today are a reflection of Muhammad's face; a reflection of Muhammad’s actions and teachings; a reflection of his character, his nature. Muhammad had different faces: a devoted and loving face to those that obeyed him, and a harsh, violent face to those that disbelieved him. I use the term "vulgar" because I cannot think of a better term to describe Muhammad's attitude toward, and commands against, those that rejected his claim to be a prophet
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Not true. Just because people are fighting back against invaders and warmongers does not make the people of these countries terrorists. That is your lie. They should submit to colonists? People lie about Mohammad...he did not fight against people of other faiths because they werent Muslim. He only fought those who were out to destroy his ummah and community.

God, I feel like a parrot because I have to keep repeating myself...

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DO you believe there are no Muslim terrorists? IF you believe their are Muslim terrorists that use the word of Islam to kill, then why are you so upset when one posts facts stating just that?
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What the heck do you think?

Problem is I dont believe in your war on terror.

posted July 27, 2006 10:04 PM            

Do they influence your Hearts?

Or do they just give fuel for personal arguing power?

My God, my Prophet, my columnist is bigger and can whip yours?

Terrorists come in all shapes,sizes,colors and religions. Depersonalize it and you will find common ground.

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posted July 27, 2006 10:22 PM              

Mr Tofi is an Iraqi Kurd himself btw and so has seen the worst of it. So possibly we should cut him a bit of slack in his assesment of Islam.

DayDreamer - I'm not surprised, given the state of the world, by your feelings of persecution and defensiveness. It's easy to get lost in those feelings. Were I Muslim I might very well feel the same.

I notice you made reference to Answering Christianity and Answering Islam. I thought that was odd as we talked about the extreme silliness of both websites in a past post. Did you have a change of mind?

posted July 27, 2006 11:04 PM            

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I still believe they both, in an ironically similiar fashion, sow unnecessary discord and paranoia in their respective tribes.

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Exactly... depersonalize, get some objectivity by stepping back and checking in on your personal Faith. Not whats popularly bandied about as left,right,commie,oober nuts or any other nonsensical label.

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~