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lioneye68 unregistered	posted August 04, 2006 05:10 PM All the people who would have to be involved in order to pull this massive conspiracy off... -The Bush Administration, who failed at everything they ever did. Yet all of them and the people below are helping him cover up the largest mass murder in US history... Some of them like Richard Clarke and Paul O'Neil have come out for less. -The NYC Fire fighters who know more about building collapses than most if not all of them. It's their LIFE to know. Literally! Yet they don't call for an investigation into the MASS MURDER of over 300 of their brothers... Why? (The twisting of these peoples statements for donations and DVD sales sickens me.) We have uncovered the myth about gag a rule imposed on all fire fighters. Only 9/11 conspiracy sites say this. ONE person who sued Bush for not taking action before the event is ordered by the court not to speak to the media about the case. This is not imposing a gag rule on the whole fire department as some of these sites claim. They are lying to cover up this mass murder by the government or the building owner. Why? They don't even know... Conspiracy theorist bring up an article in Fire House magazine which says the fire department wanted to stop the steel from being sold in order to test the fire proofing and other non-bomb/controlled demolition related investigations. They twist the articles context to make it seem like the fire fighters questioned the idea that fire brought down the towers. http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section= OnlineArticles&SubSe%20ction=Display&PUBLICATION_ID= 25&ARTICLE_ID=131225 http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=OnlineArticles& SubSection=Display&PUBLICATION_ID=25&ARTICLE_ID=130026 Many of these men and women come from the military yet we are to believe they are so afraid they rather die in the governments next mass murder than come out and expose this. -The courts for imposing a gag rule [SEE above] -The NYC Police department who lost over 20 lives. They didn't ask for an investigation. Motive? None... -The NYC port Authority who lost personnel. Motive? -All the people in the pentagon who have not called for an investigation. Many who are liberal and centrist. They did or said nothing while people supposedly truck in airplane parts to cover the crime. Why? again, no answer... -The more than 1,600 widows and widowers of 9/11 who rather have investigations of the decisions which lead to the terrorist getting away with this. They don't want to waste time investigating the mass murder of their loved ones. Even the Jersey Girls. Why? They say it's the money... [note: Whenever killing someone, pay off the relative. They wont say anything.] -The media (This one I almost believe) who doesn't follow up on the biggest mass murder and conspiracy in American history. It seems no one wants a Nobel prize for journalism. Not only the American media but foreign press like like the BBC and Al Jeezera. Why? No answer here either... -The photographers from around the world who took pictures of the towers which clearly show bowing of the perimeter columns. These photos support the NIST hypothesis that the sagging trusses lead to the collapse. Some photos also show the core intact shortly after collapse which also not only support the NIST hypothesis but discredits the "Controlled demolition" account. -Popular Mechanics who debunked these sites are also helping Bush commit the biggest mass murder in history. http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html -PBS Nova since they created a documentary explaining in detail how and why the buildings fell. None of it said bomb. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/ -Everyone in the NIST who covers up the largest mass murder in US history. This independent org doesn't have a moral person in hundreds of employees because not one has come out exposing this so called "Conspiracy". In fact the hundreds of scientist who signed onto the report are willing to not only lie for Bush but cover up the largest mass murder in American history. Some suggest only a hand full can do the job but that's simply impossible. The team in charge of the computer modeling has to be in sync with the team in structural engineers and so on. There are hundreds involved in this investigation and every team has to work other teams using the same evidence and specifications. -NY Governor Pataki because he sold steel to from the WTC for the construction of the USS New York. If the argument is the government sold the steel in order to cover up the crime then Pataki is one of the criminals. -The NY city scrap yards because they also sold steel to china before all of it was tested. Bush would have needed to call them up and tell them to sell it before they could have investigated every beam. A task which would have taken years and years not to mention millions more. Ironically the republican Mayor Bloomberg could not be involved since he asked the scrap yards not to sell the steel on behalf of the fire fighters. -EVERY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IN THE WORLD who doesn't write a paper for a mainstream peer reviewed journal saying the towers were brought down and could not have fallen due to fire. If laymen can prove things just by looking at videos and reading interviews out of context then all those structural engineers MUST be working for Bush right? Even the ones in other countries. Why? The answer they give is the engineers don't know about Jones work. So in all this time no one has e-mailed Jones's work to any structural engineer? -The liberals who don't believe the towers were brought down. (Like me) They're helping a neo-con cover-up the largest mass murder in this nation’s history. Why" No clue... -The CIA -The FBI -FEMA -The American Society of Civil Engineers who have produced peer reviewed papers showing how what Conspiracy Theorist say is impossible is possible. -NORAD -The FAA who saw planes which conspiracy theorist never existed. -The Silverstein Group who they say got together with Bush to blow up the building for insurance money. -Silverstein's Insurance Company who didn't question the collapse and paid out over 2 billion to Silverstein. Why? Conspiracy Theorist say the insurance company just wants to pass on the bill to the public but they already fought Silverstein in a number of law suits concerning the amount. -American Airlines (Pentagon) -United Airlines (Pentagon) -Logan, Newark and Dulles Airport for losing the planes -Scientists and engineers who developed the remote control plane technology -Installers of the remote control devices in the planes (Pentagon) -Remote controllers of the planes (Pentagon) -Scientists and engineers who developed the new demolition technology and carried out practical tests and computer models to make sure it would work. -Installers of the demolitions devices in the three buildings -People who worked at the company(s) the installers used as cover -Airphone etc employees who said they got calls from passengers (Pentagon) -Faux friends and relatives of the faux passengers or just the faux relatives who claim to have been called by their loved ones or just the psyops who fooled relatives into thinking they really were their loved ones. (Pentagon) -People who detonated the buildings" -anyone who thinks the conspiracy is a diversion to take liberal activist focus off of real crimes. Even conspiracies with a few people are doomed, Look at Enron and Watergate. The more people you involved the more likely the conspiracy will fall apart. The amount of people needed for this conspiracy could fill one of the towers. It's absurd to think this many people could keep a mass murder for Bush secret for this long. Absurd... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.debunking911.com/massivect.htm IP: Logged
TINK unregistered	posted August 04, 2006 05:44 PM There are far too many accusations regarding the 9/11 events for me to intelligently and knowledgably comment on. In general though, I would say that many conspiracies flow along quite smoothly as many of the participants are largely unaware of their part in the greater play. A passing knowledge of history proves this. And then of course there's the endless human ability to rationalize away that which they would prefer not to acknowledge. IP: Logged
lioneye68 unregistered	posted August 04, 2006 05:56 PM Yeah, I agree. Like, that maybe it's possible that Islamic death-cults are thirsty for your blood, and are capeable of "getting" you. PS: There are also numerous accusations that Elvis is still alive, backed up by thousands of "eye witness accounts". But that doesn't make it true. IP: Logged
Venusian Love unregistered	posted August 04, 2006 06:48 PM Not everyone saw what they shouldn't have. You don't know how to react in a situation like that. I doubt you'd stay still. IP: Logged
lioneye68 unregistered	posted August 04, 2006 07:04 PM That's weak. IP: Logged
TINK unregistered	posted August 04, 2006 07:09 PM Accusations alone prove nothing. I tend to think the Elvis sightings prove my point regarding rationalizing. Also, we might think of it as a slight case of mass hysteria. Maybe half of the supposed witnesses just want to be part of the game. Wishful thinking, so to speak. Somewhat like the Loch Ness Monster. Although, I'm more inclined to believe there's something in the Loch Ness. There was an old thread floating around regarding Elvis. I think Randall started it. I'm not sure. IP: Logged
lioneye68 unregistered	posted August 04, 2006 07:28 PM Not only is there no conceivable motive, but it's ridiculous to believe that so many people would keep quiet to perpetuate the lie. Especially Librals, Centrists, and Islamic groups who want you to abolish Bush. Absurd. Sorry. Wait- there's more people who are in on it - Engineers throughout the world, public service men & women, freinds and family of the passengers... the list goes on. Oh, wait. Maybe it's the work of the NWO, headed up by the Jews, who are coherts of the death-cults, and run the world. Absurd.... Allow for just one moment the possibility that al-qaeda in fact DID orchestrate it. Can't do it? Why not? Too scary? IP: Logged
pidaua Knowflake Posts: 67 From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2009	posted August 04, 2006 07:40 PM Great post Lioneye!!! TINK, you did bring up a few valid points and I can understand your desire to want more information. For me, I think that if a theory takes a million possibilities to occur in order to make it true, then it cannot be true. The simplist explanation is normally the most truthful explanation. If someone is going to believe that all those entities that Lioneye listed all worked together in order to commit and cover up one of the largest mass murders on American Soil, well.... that is something for the record books. No one in the CIA or FBI gets along that well within their organization let alone with each other. ------------------ The democratic world believes that it is not the terrorists that are to blame, but us. Us, the westerners. WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the sooner you eliminate this misconception from your minds, the better. We are NOT to blame. It is the freaking terrorists and the freaking terrorists only!!!! They are the bad guys. They do not understand concepts like peace, democracy, and respect for human life. They are, pure and simPle, EVIL!!!!! Behind all their political manipulations, if you carefully look at the actions of these MONSTERS, they are EVIL!! http://www.mideastweb.org/log/archives/00000489.htm Provided by the lovely Lady Lioneye :) IP: Logged
lioneye68 unregistered	posted August 04, 2006 08:09 PM Good point, Pid. If it takes a million unlikely but possible scenarios, it's fiction, not fact. The truth is simple. Do you think you're more clever if you can bend every aspect to it's least likely but possible root, that puts you closer to the truth? I don't agree. IP: Logged
lioneye68 unregistered	posted August 04, 2006 08:17 PM Once we all get on the same page, it's not that scary either. We're no match for this...thing...If we all work together. It does require that we all recognize who the true enemy is. Some are repulsed by that concept, I know. (unification) IP: Logged
TINK unregistered	posted August 04, 2006 08:21 PM Pid, I honestly can't say I feel the need for more info. The powers that be will do as they will and sorting out their motives and operations is no longer particularly high on my list of things to do. It's amusing sport though, isn't it? As I said, there are so many theories on the 9-11 conspiracy checklist we could spend all night discussing the merits of each. Suffice to say, I think some are credible and deserve further investigation and some are just plain silly. And I stand by my previously mentioned observation that 1) many members of the average conspiracy have no idea of the true goings-on in which they are involved. To assume that everyone involved need know the extent of it is ... well ... absurd. And 2) any intelligent tyrant knows better than to do the dirty work himself. Any intelligent tyrant worth his cow prodder allows the enemy to do it for him. He merely greases the wheels and allows human nature to take its course. Conspiracy is an overloaded word these days. I prefer to think of it as manipulation. I think that's more accurate. Machiavelli, my friends. It's all there. IP: Logged
lioneye68 unregistered	posted August 04, 2006 08:28 PM Tell me, Tink. What is the single most compelling point (or points) of the 9/11 conspiracy theory, in your opinion? Tell me so I may either agree, or debunk. IP: Logged
TINK unregistered	posted August 04, 2006 08:41 PM You assume I need you to agree or debunk. Don't you read Rainbow's posts? Frankly, I find it intersting to meet someone who finds nothing at all odd about the official story. I don't think I've ever met anyone in the "real world" who feels the same. Not that it means anything. Common opinion isn't the deciding factor in my estimation. IP: Logged
lioneye68 unregistered	posted August 04, 2006 08:49 PM I don't think you need that, but I do. I want to know the truth. Do it as a favor to me. You don't have to, of course. This is a critical time in history, and since I'm here, now... I dont want to be a fool. If I'm able to know the truth, I feel I am obligated to share it. I just want to be sure it's the truth. You understand....? PS: Either way, the truth is a beautiful, albiet complicated thing. Whatever it is, I can handle it. (didn't I just say it was simple? I guess it's both) IP: Logged
Eleanore Moderator Posts: 112 From: Okinawa, Japan Registered: Apr 2009	posted August 04, 2006 08:56 PM I'll admit that there are certain aspects about 9/11 that I'm still confused/unsure about. I'm not saying that I'm 100% positive that everything is one gigantic conspiracy ... but, you know, as a rational being I tend to question any information that is constantly shoved in my face. I think it's highly unlikely (though still possible) that the WHOLE truth about what happened that day will ever come out. However, that fact doesn't much change the way I choose to live my life. Some people have spoken of 9/11 as a "great awakening" for the "end of times" and such. Don't know about anyone else but I certainly didn't need a massive disaster as such to open my eyes in the first place. Sometimes it really feels as though all that is going on in the world is so far removed from my reality that I can hardly relate, like I'm just an observer, though it does tug at my heart and I'd be hard pressed to look back on history and find another time so needful of compassion, understanding and love. /ramble off Sorry. Back to the intriguing dialogue you were having before I stuck my nose in this. ------------------ "To learn is to live, to study is to grow, and growth is the measurement of life. The mind must be taught to think, the heart to feel, and the hands to labor. When these have been educated to their highest point, then is the time to offer them to the service of their fellowman, not before." - Manly P. Hall IP: Logged
TINK unregistered	posted August 04, 2006 09:05 PM That makes a lot of sense, Eleanore. I hear you, lioneye. The truth is hard to come by maybe. Sharing it is sometimes a fruitless endeavor. We all come to it when the time is right. The truth of what happened that day is something I don't believe any of us will ever know. And would it matter? History's list of Byzantine type conspiracies, political intrigue and government orchestrated manipulations is endless. Life goes on. I'll find some links I thought were interesting and posts them if you'd like. It's been a while since I was sniffing around the subject. IP: Logged
lioneye68 unregistered	posted August 04, 2006 09:36 PM Well, if you've already plunged into the subject, surely you must have stumbled across compelling items that swayed you. If you still hold the opinion that there's room for doubt, you must recall what they are. Playing devil advocate does nothing for you if you're certain of something. What swayed your opinion? It would have to be logical and indisputable, I imagine. You are a very insightful and logical person, as far as I can see. You're not one to promote lies. I don't think so, anyway. Unless, maybe you approach this from a cavalier, 'what does it matter' standpoint (???) But it does matter, for your own sake. But, no matter really to me. I'll just go with my gut. Until I know otherwise, that is. IP: Logged
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009	posted August 04, 2006 10:07 PM Officials: Sept. 11 attacks were planned since 1998 By John Diamond and Kathy Kiely, USA TODAY http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2002/06/19/intelligence-usat.htm#more IP: Logged
geminstone unregistered	posted August 04, 2006 10:20 PM Posted this once before... and I realize this is one person but, ... one of some 60% of New York residents that want 911 re-opened. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EymYwYc43iE&mode=related&search=911%20wtc ... where's the theory?... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8zWhC4bTn8&mode=related&search=[/URL] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Son0BWduQx4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCSMBlVw2Qg&search=wtc%20911%20conspiracy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnVIogawlmk&search=wtc%20911%20conspiracy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jAS4Zk059w&search=wtc%20911%20conspiracy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wVLeKwSkXA&search=wtc%20911%20conspiracy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OotM5Z4ZHRc&NR http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weqBynRZGG8&mode=related&search= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na4PfIBFmfo&mode=related&search= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL4isaZRapY&search=wtc%20911%20conspiracy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKdvl--1Dt0&mode=related&search=wtc%20911%20conspiracy[/UR L] [URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbTJqGy61hk&search=wtc%20911%20conspiracy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbTJqGy61hk&search=wtc%20911%20conspiracy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svgQ6ISM7_A&search=wtc%20911%20conspiracy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDY6LIKZmIA&search=wtc%20911%20conspiracy ...these are interesting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc2lih2qjEg&search=wtc%20911%20conspiracy .... "The T.V was obviously on"... schools have changed a lot since I've been in one...never had T.V's on, educational films and such, yeah.. no T.V's just on in hallways though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yPAUIgMVCQ&search=wtc%20911%20conspiracy ...here's a debunker... don't forget to read the comments under the video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGAoRrBoPRM&search=wtc%20911%20conspiracy ... that'll take a while, but then if anyone cares to......... ~ geminstone ------------------ http://www.reopen911.org/ IP: Logged
lioneye68 unregistered	posted August 04, 2006 10:34 PM Too much information, GS. Please pull out the points that are most interesting to you. IP: Logged
Venusian Love unregistered	posted August 04, 2006 10:53 PM Unlike a Gemini she can't handle to much info. Dumb. IP: Logged
lioneye68 unregistered	posted August 04, 2006 11:02 PM Selective with my time - Smart IP: Logged
geminstone unregistered	posted August 05, 2006 01:26 AM Well, it's like I said though, it takes a bit, but if anyone cares to.... If it's too much . It's here or on www.youtube.com or \|\|\|\|\|\| vvvvvv ------------------ http://www.reopen911.org/ IP: Logged
lioneye68 unregistered	posted August 05, 2006 01:33 AM Ok, Gemistone I watched your first 4 links, and the issues discussed therein - they are all answered here. http://www.debunking911.com/massivect.htm And I'm more inclined to believe the opinions of structural engineers in Sweden, Norway, Canada, China, etc...than those of American structural engineers. Call me crazy, but I think the issue is too biased at home. IP: Logged
geminstone unregistered	posted August 05, 2006 01:45 AM I'm not trying to convince anyone really Just giving some of the 'underground' info... To each their own though. This bit is something to ponder... 6 weeks later??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F0MnfzkOhM&search=wtc%20911%20conspiracy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ-HtKf1ApI&search=wtc%20911%20conspiracy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJJ7X3CBwTY IP: Logged

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