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Topic: give me the power, Randall...
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Harpyr
Newflake Posts: 0
From: Alaska
Registered: Jun 2010
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posted September 15, 2006 02:56 PM
  
and I'll put a stop to this perpetual flame war that has been going on in this forum for months.. I say just lock any thread where someone calls a person a name. No matter if it's a knowflake or a politician. No name calling, period. End of story. I know I've called certain politicians and knowflakes names in the early days of GU but I promise to be fair and unbiased in my locking of threads based on any name calling of any kind.
This never ending bickering about who said what, who called who a this or that, has grown old and tiresome. I was hoping that it would just go away on it's own but I'm now thinking that just isn't going to happen. Something needs to be done. The conflicts are seeping out of GU all over the rest of Lindaland and I think stemming the flow of crud here in GU would go a long way towards getting us back to a better place.So what do say, Randall? I think it's obvious some people are unable to be civil to eachother without some hard and fast rules about what's acceptable and what's not.
I say the new rule should be-
No name calling of anykind!
I'm willing to help enforce it. IP: Logged |
Harpyr
Newflake Posts: 0
From: Alaska
Registered: Jun 2010
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posted September 15, 2006 03:12 PM
hmm.. I'm now realizing that likely the vast majority of threads in this forum would have to be locked...a daunting task. But if that's what's needing to be done in order to facilitate civil conversation in this forum then so be it.IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted September 15, 2006 03:24 PM
How about, instead of Rainbow & Pid taking over thread after thread with their personal hatred for each other, they just use this -  That is, if they simply CAN'T resist reacting to something the other said. Rolleyes smiley should be a sufficient sentiment, and also, shouldn't annoy the rest of us. Or, they could try ignoring each other. IP: Logged |
sue g
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posted September 15, 2006 03:39 PM
I agree Harpyr  "Linda loved debate, so in her memory we do encourage debates. You are free to speak your Minds about anything, but please, use no profanity or personal insults". It appears the above request is totally ignored by some on this forum. Its very disrespectful and childish of people to think its okay to call each other names....and pathetic...  IP: Logged |
Isis
Newflake Posts: 1
From: Brisbane, Australia
Registered: May 2009
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posted September 15, 2006 03:55 PM
I'm with Lioneye. Quite frankly I don't trust pretty much anyone but Randall to censor this forum because of biases. The point being, Randall doesn't censor the forum. Plus, what constitutes "name calling"? I mean, some are obvious, sure. But what about "liar"? Is that calling someone a name or saying, "I believe the words you speak (write) are untrue, and because I believe you are saying things you know to be untrue deliberately, I think you're lying." What about, "i think you aren't speaking the truth". That's not outright calling someone a liar, but it is essentially the same thing. Does that thread get locked too? It's just too subjective IMO, which is why there's no censorship here at all for the most part. So I'll vote with Lioneye: replace the urge to name call with I don't see why all should be censored because of two people's personal feud. And the fact of the matter is that the majority of people here don't name call. IP: Logged |
DayDreamer
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posted September 15, 2006 03:58 PM
I also support you Harpyr sueg, I feel the same way... "Its very disrespectful and childish of people to think its okay to call each other names....and pathetic... " ...even if I may have said some things in the past.  IP: Logged |
Harpyr
Newflake Posts: 0
From: Alaska
Registered: Jun 2010
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posted September 15, 2006 04:21 PM
I hear what you're saying, Isis.. the difference between saying,
"You are a liar,"
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"What you just said is a lie,"
may be little more than semantics. Even so, it's still simple enough to say that the first response is unacceptable and the second is okay. The first is a personal insult and the second is a criticism of a person's words rather than the person themself.
I would love it if Rainbow and Pidaua could just resort to the rolling eyes at eachother instead of the flames but I don't see that happening without them (and others) facing consequences for all the petty attacks that are hurled around. It seems to me that the only way to stop this sort of behavior is to just refuse to allow such threads to continue. I'm not a person who enjoys censorship but since I've been hanging out on other boards where members have just as many diverse opinions as here, I've been able to see how these sorts of things are handled. Those boards refuse to allow personal insults and name calling, period. As a result, conversations about politics and the like are able to happen in a civil and respectful manner.
Lindaland was the first board I ever spent time on and I miss this place. I wish it could be more like it was a few years ago when this sort of behavior wasn't so common as it's become now. But at this point, the only way that seems likely to happen is if the rules are laid down and enforced. I don't care, and would actually rather it wasn't me, but if no one else wants to step up and help out (as it seems Randall doesn't likely have the time or energy to police this forum) I'm willing to offer some of my time to helping get this place back on track towards worthwhile conversation. It has nothing to do with me wanting to impose my own personal politics or preferences upon conversation here. If perhaps folks don't trust me to be fair and unbiased because of my liberal political tendancies, then perhaps there could be another moderator who leans more to the conservative end of the spectrum who wants to partner up.. We could be like a checks and balance system.
I'm even willing to not participate in the discussion of politics any more if that's what would make folks more comfortable with having me be a moderator. It wouldn't really bother me much cause I don't really feel inclined to debate politics these days anyway. I dunno.. I just sort of posted this oringinally in the heat of my frustration earlier and now that I'm cooling off, I'm thinking maybe I should just go on ignoring this place. *sigh* IP: Logged |
Isis
Newflake Posts: 1
From: Brisbane, Australia
Registered: May 2009
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posted September 15, 2006 04:28 PM
Yeah, it is frustrating to watch, and sometimes difficult to ignore.  I just think that some here would actually consider anything remotely offensive to them, including, "your words are untrue" to be namecalling and would call for locks. I think the entire forum would end up locked. IP: Logged |
Harpyr
Newflake Posts: 0
From: Alaska
Registered: Jun 2010
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posted September 15, 2006 04:32 PM
yea.. well people can whine and call for whatever they want but that doesn't mean they are going to get it.IP: Logged |
Isis
Newflake Posts: 1
From: Brisbane, Australia
Registered: May 2009
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posted September 15, 2006 04:36 PM
Oh, btw, I posed a question to you in your forum, looking foward to seeing your response. And no, it's nothing challenging or antagonistic, just a question. LOLIP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted September 15, 2006 04:50 PM
Harpyr, that seems a little drastic to me. When you lock a thread, it means "conversation closed", which isn't fair to those who may still want to make a point, or express an opinion on the subject. So, nobody get's to add their two cents if someone else isn't being "nice"? That's kind of unfair. Also, a mod may not see the flaming until it's already burried in the thread, and the converstaion has moved passed it. It wouldn't make sense to close the thread at that point, would it? What if a mod just deletes the offending post? I know you guys have the power to do that. But, that would mean someone would have to hover over GU all the time, and who has time for that? IP: Logged |
Harpyr
Newflake Posts: 0
From: Alaska
Registered: Jun 2010
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posted September 15, 2006 05:03 PM
yea.. I think you are right, lioneye, about the needing to hover over this place all the time.. I don't really want to do that, the more I think about it. I guess I was just p!ssy cause I really wish I had the power to lock those threads around here that are nothing but a bunch of garbage being spewed back and forth between a few knowflakes who obviously have nothing better to do with their time than insult and bicker back and forth. So, I'm throwing my hands up in the air.. I'll just continue to ignore the bs.Isis- Thanks for the heads up! I replied to your interesting question.  IP: Logged |
ozonefiller
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Registered: Aug 2009
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posted September 15, 2006 05:04 PM
I think that we all need to reflect on the words of Ace Frehley in accord to all this like when he discribed his feelings about one of Gene Simmons' books!This is really funny to listen too, really!  The Ace Comeback IP: Logged |
Harpyr
Newflake Posts: 0
From: Alaska
Registered: Jun 2010
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posted September 15, 2006 05:08 PM
another thought- as far as whether or not it would be fair.. I would hope that the frustration would be rightfully directed at the person who ruined the party by throwing out the insult in the first place. Maybe that's what is needed to teach people if they don't want to see threads locked all the time then they need to lay off the insults. If they continue to get threads locked because they can't learn then ban 'em I say. Maybe I'm just feeling like a dictator or something today but I think it's fair for me to be mad about constantly being subjected to having to sift through piles of cr@p to find the worthwile conversations. It's not fair to everyone who wants to have civil conversations to allow this kind of behavior to pooo all over it.IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted September 15, 2006 05:32 PM
I'm hearing you, Harpyr. Definately. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
Knowflake Posts: 4415
From: Pleasanton, CA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 15, 2006 05:42 PM
Absolutely, this place has become pretty extraordinary in it's incivility.I'd suggest getting rid of politics altogether here. This is definitely the kid that's not like the others. There are plenty of places to debate politics out there. IP: Logged |
Harpyr
Newflake Posts: 0
From: Alaska
Registered: Jun 2010
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posted September 15, 2006 05:44 PM
Thanks, Lioneye. It's nice to be heard. IP: Logged |
Harpyr
Newflake Posts: 0
From: Alaska
Registered: Jun 2010
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posted September 15, 2006 05:49 PM
I thought about that too, Acoustic, but politics always trickles into the other forums eventually. Randall created this forum orginally because there was a very real need to talk about this stuff as was evidenced by the political discussions that showed up randomly here and there. It was thought that this way it could atleast be contained. But I think that this forum has outgrown it's ability to be a place with little to no rules. It's degraded to a point where the animosity now bleeds out into other forums. It seems to me the only way to stop that is to put some hard and fast rules in place. I don't think eliminating this forum altogether would be the answer. We'd just be back where we were before GU, with the politics inflitrating everywhere else.IP: Logged |
The Virgin
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posted September 15, 2006 07:45 PM
Hi guys, I agree there has to be some limits put on this forum. Someone in the "argument" forum had the idea to dedicate a thread to anomosity,disrespect and childish behavior that just goes round and round in circles and accomplishes nothing. And keep all of the b.s there.
Under the circumstances as they are this may be the best solution to the problem-though I still say since this place, as a whole is dedicated to Linda and the spiritual side of things that behavior should not have a place here-but what do I know?------------------
Sun Virgo, moon Pisces, Libra rising,mercury venus 12th house all conjunct, Mars Leo. IP: Logged |
Johnny
Newflake Posts: 0
From: Egypt
Registered: Apr 2010
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posted September 15, 2006 08:44 PM
I think GU would sort of lose its special charm without the name-calling. Seriously, though, one of the reasons this place (LL in general, not just GU) is so great is because it is so loosely moderated - you can really speak freely. I love that. If you start locking it down, you really lose that atmosphere. I think you just gotta take the good with the bad. IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted September 15, 2006 09:51 PM
Firstly..I would like to say to Pidaua and Rainbow..I LOve you..you both have so much to share..and why this was directed at you..is a good question..since most of us have played great parts in the name calling..like high school..have all been a part of this bad behaviour..lower and deeper..you must sometimes go..to rise higher than you ever have before..we learn from our mistakes..and I have great admiration for our WebMaster Randall..we must keep the lines of communication open..and work out our differences..I have seen so many..butterflies..transformations..for good..and doing right.. Which is exactly what you did Harpyr..I commend you..for being willing to make a difference for Peace among all US brothers and sisters. ... The Past cannot be changed..but what we do..from this point forward..can make all the difference..
can even make a Miracle Happen! WOW! I think you are all wonderful..and I LOve you ALL  P.S. It's nice to come home from work..and see so much positive energy..Thanks!
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lotusheartone
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posted September 15, 2006 10:19 PM
I want to share..I have learned so much here..
and the latest thing I learned..is I need never defend myself..for to defend mySelf..is to feed the negative..that I have said or done..I Must Fix it..make amends..
and Undertake to do everyThing with LOve oh, and if it's lies about you..ignore them completely! Always shed Truth when you can..but go within first..we are all learning together. ... IP: Logged |
pidaua
Knowflake Posts: 67
From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 20, 2006 07:46 PM
Hmmm... so does that mean when I see someone else bashing someone I can justify having the power to lock any thread because I don't like what they are saying?Are we going to see sides chosen because one is a Republican and one is a Democrat- similar to what we see here when one person is called a name and other's sit back twiddling their thumbs because they are one of the few Conservatives? Yet a Conservative calls a name and BAM- they're a racist, name calling evil person LOL... As much as I would love to apologize for calling Rainbow names, I won't. I will however, as I have over the past FOUR years, keep from posting to her as much as possible. I will post the facts and show her mis-information up for what it is - that won't change. I WILL also defend myself if I need to if I am once again questioned on my background etc... I have also sat back and watched others call each other names, fight to the end back and forth yet never had the nerve to start a damn thread calling to be able to lock it THUS prevent their free speech, because I don't like a name that is being used. I also find it to be somewhat hypocritical that there are several people here that are posting with the thumbs up that are also guilty of the mud-slinging. I should hope that Randall does not give you the Authority Harypr because you are extremely biased as we both know - especially when it comes to certain subjects. I do not have faith that you would keep an objectivity necessary when it comes to deciding when a thread should stay open or closed. Especially when it comes to politics that revolve around PETA issues, GMO or other topics that you have become incensed about in the past.
~Pidaua
*** edited to add: I am not sure that I care about what many think regarding some of my name calling. In fact, I really don't give a damn when it comes to people saying my behaviour is equal to that of a "high schooler" - especially since this is supposed to be a loosely moderated website and again.. it is a website. I am not here to make best buddies or hope to be a part of the "in crowd". In the past I have stuck to my guns and I will in the future and if the "enlightened" soul club doesn't want to send love and light my way, I will still sleep well knowing that I wasn't some kiss-a$$ that just wanted to have an internet group accept me. I see that happen often on sites such as this and have watched people vacillate (on this site especially) and chose sides depending on who they think is more "liked" at the time. I also find it ironic that we have the majority of complainers "here" that started BS threads pointing fingers at others that did nothing wrong - or did we just forget that part? A group of like minded trolls seem to band together, call people out in various forums and then coalesce to say "Oh yeah.. and we want name calling stopped" Hey, how about we jump out and get irate over the slander of posters names by going to various forums and calling them racist. For some reason, I think the name "racist" conjures up a hell of a lot more ill feelings and causes people to question a person's character than calling a person a twit. I'll refrain on my end concerning Rainbow- but again, I will not tolerate someone telling me what I can and can't say according to "their" preconceived notions about the person.
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lalalinda
Moderator Posts: 1120
From: nevada
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 20, 2006 09:33 PM
Although your reasons are I'm sure admirable Harpyr
We've got to have faith in Randall.
He knows what he's doing
even if we don't.  Hey Piddy 
Jwhop
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SecretGardenAgain
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posted September 21, 2006 02:28 AM
Hey Lalalinda I just noticed that if you replaced 'Randall' with 'God' in your post it would sound like something lotus heart would say (lol) . Btw for once in my life I gotta agree with lotus here , I mean what shes said so far on this thread Love
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