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Rainbow~
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posted September 19, 2006 09:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bush owes us an apology

MSNBC

Sept. 18, 2006 | 8:24 p.m. ET

The President of the United States owes this country an apology.

It will not be offered, of course.

He does not realize its necessity.

There are now none around him who would tell him or could.

The last of them, it appears, was the very man whose letter provoked the President into the conduct, for which the apology is essential.

An apology is this President's only hope of regaining the slightest measure of confidence, of what has been, for nearly two years, a clear majority of his people.

Not "confidence" in his policies nor in his designs nor even in something as narrowly focused as which vision of torture shall prevail -- his, or that of the man who has sent him into apoplexy, Colin Powell.

In a larger sense, the President needs to regain our confidence, that he has some basic understanding of what this country represents -- of what it must maintain if we are to defeat not only terrorists, but if we are also to defeat what is ever more increasingly apparent, as an attempt to re-define the way we live here, and what we mean, when we say the word "freedom."

Because it is evident now that, if not its architect, this President intends to be the contractor, for this narrowing of the definition of freedom.

The President revealed this last Friday, as he fairly spat through his teeth, words of unrestrained fury directed at the man who was once the very symbol of his administration, who was once an ambassador from this administration to its critics, as he had once been an ambassador from the military to its critics.

The former Secretary of State, Mr. Powell, had written, simply and candidly and without anger, that "the world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism."

This President's response included not merely what is apparently the Presidential equivalent of threatening to hold one's breath, but within it contained one particularly chilling phrase.

"Mr. President, former Secretary of State Colin Powell says the world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism," he was asked by a reporter. "If a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and former secretary of state feels this way, don't you think that Americans and the rest of the world are beginning to wonder whether you're following a flawed strategy?"

“If there's any comparison between the compassion and decency of the American people and the terrorist tactics of extremists, it's flawed logic,” Bush said. “It's just -- I simply can't accept that. It's unacceptable to think that there's any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective.

Of course it's acceptable to think that there's "any kind of comparison."

And in this particular debate, it is not only acceptable, it is obviously necessary, even if Mr. Powell never made the comparison in his letter.

Some will think that our actions at Abu Ghraib, or in Guantanamo, or in secret prisons in Eastern Europe, are all too comparable to the actions of the extremists.

Some will think that there is no similarity, or, if there is one, it is to the slightest and most unavoidable of degrees.

What all of us will agree on, is that we have the right -- we have the duty -- to think about the comparison.

And, most importantly, that the other guy, whose opinion about this we cannot fathom, has exactly the same right as we do: to think -- and say -- what his mind and his heart and his conscience tell him, is right.

All of us agree about that.

Except, it seems, this President.

With increasing rage, he and his administration have begun to tell us, we are not permitted to disagree with them, that we cannot be right, that Colin Powell cannot be right.

And then there was that one, most awful phrase.

In four simple words last Friday, the President brought into sharp focus what has been only vaguely clear these past five-and-a-half years - the way the terrain at night is perceptible only during an angry flash of lightning, and then, a second later, all again is dark.

“It's unacceptable to think," he said.

It is never unacceptable to think.

And when a President says thinking is unacceptable, even on one topic, even in the heat of the moment, even in the turning of a phrase extracted from its context, he takes us toward a new and fearful path -- one heretofore the realm of science fiction authors and apocalyptic visionaries.

That flash of lightning freezes at the distant horizon, and we can just make out a world in which authority can actually suggest it has become unacceptable to think.

Thus the lightning flash reveals not merely a President we have already seen, the one who believes he has a monopoly on current truth....
......it now shows us a President who has decided that of all our commanders-in-chief, ever, he alone has had the knowledge necessary to alter and re-shape our inalienable rights.

This is a frightening, and a dangerous, delusion, Mr. President.

If Mr. Powell's letter -- cautionary, concerned, predominantly supportive -- can induce from you such wrath and such intolerance, what would you say were this statement to be shouted to you by a reporter, or written to you by a colleague?

"Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government.”

Those incendiary thoughts came, of course, from a prior holder of your job, Mr. Bush.

They were the words of Thomas Jefferson.

He put them in the Declaration of Independence.

Mr. Bush, what would you say to something that anti-thetical to the status quo just now?

Would you call it "unacceptable" for Jefferson to think such things, or to write them?

Between your confidence in your infallibility, sir, and your demonizing of dissent, and now these rages better suited to a thwarted three-year old, you have left the unnerving sense of a White House coming unglued - a chilling suspicion that perhaps we have not seen the peak of the anger; that we can no longer forecast what next will be said to, or about, anyone who disagrees.

Or what will next be done to them.

On this newscast last Friday night, Constitiutional law Professor Jonathan Turley of George Washington University, suggested that at some point in the near future some of the "detainees" transferred from secret CIA cells to Guantanamo, will finally get to tell the Red Cross that they have indeed been tortured.

Thus the debate over the Geneva Conventions, might not be about further interrogations of detainees, but about those already conducted, and the possible liability of the administration, for them.

That, certainly, could explain Mr. Bush's fury.

That, at this point, is speculative.

But at least it provides an alternative possibility as to why the President's words were at such variance from the entire history of this country.

For, there needs to be some other explanation, Mr. Bush, than that you truly believe we should live in a United States of America in which a thought is unacceptable.

There needs to be a delegation of responsible leaders -- Republicans or otherwise -- who can sit you down as Barry Goldwater and Hugh Scott once sat Richard Nixon down - and explain the reality of the situation you have created.

There needs to be an apology from the President of the United States.

And more than one.

But, Mr. Bush, the others -- for warnings unheeded five years ago, for war unjustified four years ago, for battle unprepared three years ago -- they are not weighted with the urgency and necessity of this one.

We must know that, to you, thought with which you disagree -- and even voice with which you disagree and even action with which you disagree -- are still sacrosanct to you.

The philosopher Voltaire once insisted to another author, "I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write." Since the nation's birth, Mr. Bush, we have misquoted and even embellished that statement, but we have served ourselves well, by subscribing to its essence.

Oddly, there are other words of Voltaire's that are more pertinent still, just now.

"Think for yourselves," he wrote, "and let others enjoy the privilege to do so, too."

Apologize, sir, for even hinting at an America where a few have that privilege to think and the rest of us get yelled at by the President.

Anything else, Mr. Bush, is truly unacceptable.

-Keith Olberman


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jwhop
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posted September 19, 2006 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tell Keith to stuff it where the sun don't shine.

If there's anyone who needs to apologize it's Keith for his serial lies about Bush...along with all the other lying leftists.

It's a testament to the insanity which reigns at MSNBC that Olbermann, Matthews and the rest of the lying pundits which infest the public airwaves are permitted a perch from which to parrot their bile.

One would think the brass at MSNBC would take a look at their toilet bowl ratings, understand the public isn't buying their bullsh*t and flush them.

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Rainbow~
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posted September 20, 2006 12:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aww jwhop.....I like Keith (he has cajones).....and I like Lou Dobbs too...

I don't care much for Chris Mathews tho, or that "tucker" guy, or whatever his name is....*sigh*

I wanted to quote you here....

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It's a testament to the insanity which reigns at MSNBC that Olbermann, Matthews and the rest of the lying pundits which infest the public airwaves are permitted a perch from which to parrot their bile.

.....because I've always felt the same way about Faux News...with you know, O'Reilly, Hannity and all those others there, parroting their bile!

They work for Rupert Murdoch, right? (probably spelled that wrong)

But think about it, jwohp.....(while you still can)....bush DID say it was 'unacceptable' to think...and there is something a little scarey about that...

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Petron
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posted September 20, 2006 12:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

"jwhop is right!! they shouldnt be permitted to speak!!"

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jwhop
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posted September 20, 2006 12:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Keith Olbermann is an unhinged airhead whose only audience is the leftist choir.

I would never shut Keith Olbermann up. I like it when Olbermann goes on one of his loony rants because it gets reported off the MSNBC reservation and makes reasonable people want to throw up when they read about it.

I like it when all the unhinged loony leftists rant and rave and it gets widely reported.

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jwhop
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posted September 20, 2006 12:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW, it IS unacceptable to think there is any comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective.

Such thinking marks one as a total idiot...like Keith Olbermann.


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DayDreamer
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posted September 20, 2006 12:46 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol Petron

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Rainbow~
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posted September 20, 2006 01:07 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jwhop.....you're saying it's "unacceptable" to think, too?

You would actually take away one's right to think????

Shades of George Orwell...

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jwhop
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posted September 20, 2006 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like it exceedingly when leftists "think" or what passes for thinking on the left.... Because it usually translates into speech which gives everyone a clear view into their treasonous minds.

Such "thinking" is the geneses of the Bush remark which is really a remark about leftists giving cover, aid and comfort to our enemies by attempting to establish a moral equivalence between the United States and murderous Islamic Muslim terrorists.

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posted September 20, 2006 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I "Think" Hugo Chavez owes the United States an apology for his attack on our President. He said the UN HQ still smelled of Sulfur because Bush is the Devil. He repeated that several times without any facts backing it up.

Chavez is responsible for much death and destruction in his quest for "dictatorship".

One thing is for sure, had our President made a comment like that in any other country concerning THEIR leader- he'd be dead or at the very least chastized until their was no tomorrow...and again - he'd be declared the "devil".

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The democratic world believes that it is not the terrorists that are to blame, but us. Us, the westerners.
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the sooner you eliminate this misconception from your minds, the better.
We are NOT to blame. It is the freaking terrorists and the freaking terrorists only!!!! They are the bad guys. They do not understand concepts like peace, democracy, and respect for human life. They are, pure and simPle, EVIL!!!!! Behind all their political manipulations, if you carefully look at the actions of these MONSTERS, they are EVIL!!


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Johnny
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posted September 20, 2006 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great article, Rainbow. The more I hear from this Olbermann guy, the more I like him.

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posted September 20, 2006 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're not likely to hear a word of condemnation for the little communist dictators' remarks coming from leftists, the leftist press or leftists in the US Congress Pid.

All those groups of leftists love socialist/communist/collectivist dictators. Part of their coven of brothers...in which Saddam was a charter member.

An interesting fact is that none of the leftists here have a word to say about Hugo Chavez's remarks either.

Perhaps I'm being premature and someone here will agree with Chavez.

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posted September 20, 2006 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nah, Jwhop - just can't get into these modern day communist dictators. They broke the mold after Stalin.

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posted September 21, 2006 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Well Johnny, I'm sure your interest will be music to Keith Olbermann's ears. Olbermann needs every convert he can find. As you can see, there aren't many who buy into his radical leftist bullsh*t.

Cable News Viewers Tuesday, Sept 19, 2006

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 1,932,000
FOXNEWS SHEP SMITH 1,405,000
FNC HANNITY/COLMES 1,396,000
FNC BRIT HUME 1,381,000
FNC GRETA 1,284,000
CNN WOLF BLITZER 912,000
CNN LOU DOBBS 848,000
CNN COOPER 790,000
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CNNHN GRACE 770,000
CNN KING 706,000
MSNBC SCARBOROUGH 444,000
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Yeah Johnny, muderous communist dictators aren't what they used to be when Stalin was murdering tens of millions of his own citizens.

Poor Saddam. He never had his chance to eclipse Stalin..his idol. He only got to kill a million or so Iraqis before the evil George Bush pulled the plug on his dictatorship.

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posted September 22, 2006 03:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop, what is it about Keith Olbermann you dislike (emphatically! )? I thought it was an insightful speech. Granted, I don't know much about the guy, but, from what I heard, what's not to like?

And I definetly know there are a great many more conservative-types in America than there are liberals. No surprise there. (I enjoy O'Reilly, also, by the way.)

And I wasn't serious about admiring Stalin (I swear!). I'm glad Saddam is out-of-power; that's certainly a good thing. (I don't think many 'leftists' here would disagree with that.)

No, my qualms, at least, lie in other directions - wiretapping, secret prisons, the (incredibly Orwellian-sounding) "Patriot Act," etc. Sure, you can make an argument that these are necessary security measures in this day-and-age, but, to paraphrase Ben for the umpteenth time, "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security"

To me, this sounds like what Olbermann is getting at. I think it's a message this counry could do to hear.

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posted September 22, 2006 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the interest of fairness, I'd have to say that taking that bit of the sentence out of the context it was said is a bit of a stretch.

There are reasonable bits in this essay, though. I particularly enjoy the Voltaire quotes. Here's another one:

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"

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posted September 22, 2006 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It's unacceptable to think that there's any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective.

I don't know, AG - it doesn't sound like he took it out of context to me. What he's basically saying is that it's unacceptable to compare the US to a terrorist organization, right?

Which is, of course, utter BS. This nation was built by critical thinkers who had no compunctions whatsoever about making comparisons unflattering to the status quo. Freedom of thought is an even more fundamental liberty than freedom of speech.

Maybe Bush didn't mean it the way it sounded, but that's irrelevant. Truth is, this country isn't lily white by any stretch of the imagination - these comparisons that Bush is calling "unacceptable" very much need to be drawn.

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posted September 22, 2006 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I certainly agree that our nation's citizens ought to think critically about how our government works, and how it presents itself in foreign policy. I also see how it can be construed toward showing the mindset of the President.

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posted September 25, 2006 11:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very good article, Rainbow I was riveted by the words of that article.

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In four simple words last Friday, the President brought into sharp focus what has been only vaguely clear these past five-and-a-half years - the way the terrain at night is perceptible only during an angry flash of lightning, and then, a second later, all again is dark.

“It's unacceptable to think," he said.


Some will of course argue that is not what the president meant by those words.

Jesus said " What comes out of a man's mouth is what is in his heart."

We have the evidence that every word of this article is true by what we have seen with our own eyes and heard with our own ears since 2000. We have seen our democracy and our constitution being systematically obliberated by this administration.

What of course comes next in any fascist government is punishment for speaking the thoughts of one's own mind, heart and conscience. We all know it. We have all seen it and read the sequence of events in history.

Thanks for this awesome and inspiring article, Rainbow.

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I just re-read this and laughed my butt off...Pid I can't believe you REALLY said what you said.....

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He said the UN HQ still smelled of Sulfur because Bush is the Devil. He repeated that several times without any facts backing it up.

What set me off on a giggling fit was the part where you say.......

"He repeated that several times - without any facts backing it up."

Facts backing it up?

OMG!

What kind of "evidence" was he supposed to take in there with him, anyway?

Oh Pid...you are so funeeeeeee...

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posted September 30, 2006 09:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
According to the polls if the only audience that Keith Olbermann has is the left he is doing real good because the majority of Americans are saying the same things that Olbermann voiced here and in his video comment. If that were not true the polls would reflect it the other way around instead of having Bush low in the polls.

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posted September 30, 2006 09:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
September 20, 2006
Preliminary testing by a team of U.N. Paranormal Experts confirms traces of sulfur and ectoplasm have been detected in an area visited by U.S. President George Bush

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posted September 30, 2006 11:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL Petron.

(edited to add...I just realized I said that already, so I'll add another hehehe for emphasis)

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posted October 01, 2006 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rofl, Petron.

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Rainbow~
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posted October 01, 2006 09:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Petron.....

Thanks for that! (you little dickens you!)

laughing my butt off again.....

(Well, at least....they were trying....)

*chuckle...chortle...snicker...OMG I can't stop!***

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