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jwhop
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posted September 19, 2006 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tuesday, Sept. 19, 2006 11:26 p.m. EDT
Ralph Nader Attacks Hillary

Consumer activist Ralph Nader, not ruling out a fourth run for president himself, said Tuesday that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton was already running for the White House and could face Sen. John McCain in the 2008 election.

"If she is a candidate in the Democratic primary with three other white men, she is going to win the primary," Nader said during a campaign stop in Albany in which he endorsed Clinton's Green Party challenger, Howie Hawkins, in this year's New York Senate race. "Then, it's down to her versus McCain."

Nader, the Green Party's presidential candidate in 2000, said he wasn't sure who would win a Clinton-McCain showdown.

The three-time losing presidential contender said he would probably decide by the middle of next year whether to make another third-party run, but had no doubt about Clinton's intentions.

"They are already planning her campaign," Nader said. "There is no doubt in the world. You couldn't get any odds in Las Vegas on this."
Nader complained that Clinton had sold out to corporate interests in pursuit of campaign contributions and political power.

"She's become a profound corporate Democrat marching arm in arm with major corporate lobbyists toward the White House instead of representing the people's interests," Nader said.

Clinton campaign adviser Howard Wolfson declined to comment on Nader's remarks.

Meanwhile, the anti-Iraq war activist who was crushed by Clinton in last week's Democratic Senate primary said Tuesday he would not support her re-election bid and called on his supporters to vote against her.


"I urge my supporters and the people who voted for me to vote their conscience," said Jonathan Tasini. "Every vote that is not cast for the incumbent is a clear repudiation of an immoral war."
The reaction from the Clinton camp was curt: "Who cares?" said Wolfson.

Tasini, a former president of the National Writers' Union, did not endorse any specific candidate in the Senate race, which many see as a prelude to a 2008 White House run by the former first lady.

Asked Monday night on Comedy Central's "The Daily Show" about the prospect of his wife making such a run, former President Clinton said once again that he didn't know if she would run or not.

"I know this," he added. "If she did run and win, she'd be great; she'd be really good."

Among others, Clinton faces former Yonkers Mayor John Spencer, a conservative Republican supporter of the war, and Hawkins, an anti-war Green Party contender, in the November election.

Hawkins held a fundraiser with Nader in Albany before their joint news conference at which Nader took Clinton to task for accepting hefty corporate campaign contributions and said Hawkins should be in any Senate debates she agrees to.

In the campaign leading up to her primary victory, Clinton refused to debate Tasini and largely ignored his candidacy.

"Hillary Clinton has surrendered her integrity, her principles and her past beliefs in order to gain the arrogance of power and what she expects to be a coronation on Election Day in New York state," Nader said. "Don't let her get away with it."

Tasini brought up the debate issue again on Tuesday.

"I intend on continuing to raise the issues I care about in the coming weeks and beyond," he said. "First and foremost, I will lobby for and support the inclusion in all public debates of all legally qualified candidates, regardless of poll numbers or money raised or spent."

In the Democratic primary, Clinton collected almost 600,000 votes to fewer than 120,000 for Tasini.

Appearing on a radio talk show Tuesday, Republican Spencer expressed frustration that Clinton has refused to be pinned down about when and where she would debate him. Aides have said she will debate, but have offered no specifics.

"Hillary Clinton is hiding and sending out her little talking dogs to bark about John Spencer," the GOP challenger told Albany's WROW-AM.

Spencer took Clinton to task for a host of things, including what he said was her failure to defend Pope Benedict XVI, who is under attack from Muslims for comments he made last week about Islam.

"I call on Sen. Clinton, if she's going to be a leader, to stand up right now on behalf of Catholics and defend the pope," said Spencer, a Roman Catholic. "I'm appalled no one is defending the pope."

Asked about the pope controversy at an event in Washington, Clinton said the harsh attacks on the pope were wrong.

"It's just outrageous and offensive that people would be threatening violence against him based on what he said, especially when there is so much they should be working on together," Clinton said.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/9/19/232702.shtml?s=ic

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Rainbow~
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posted September 20, 2006 12:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hillary will be the next president.

That has already been determined....

(according to what I've heard)

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jwhop
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posted September 20, 2006 12:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, if Hillary doesn't run or is defeated in 2008, would that undermine your theory?

Would you then be forced to rethink your most cherished conspiracy theories and abandon them?

Or, would you just retool and reach for the next conspiracy theory?

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posted September 20, 2006 12:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope she doesnt run...I cant stand her...

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"WHATEVER the soul longs for, WILL be attained by the spirit"

"Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation"

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posted September 20, 2006 01:43 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
So, if Hillary doesn't run or is defeated in 2008, would that undermine your theory?
Would you then be forced to rethink your most cherished conspiracy theories and abandon them?
Or, would you just retool and reach for the next conspiracy theory?

Are you talking to me jwhop?

(I kinda think you are)

.....so......I'll answer....

......you ask that if Mz. Hill is defeated....or doesn't run, will that undermine my theory?

Goofy question, because I don't have a theory.

It's something I read from someone whom I consider a pretty reliable source.

However, I don't think that it's WRITTEN IN STONE....so it would not interfer one iota in "my most cherished conspiracy theories."

You're funny, jwhop.....

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........"AND"...... Hillary is not one of MY favorite people either....but it's gotta look like the "democrats" are having their turn at running the country...it's time...(from what I understand)....

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posted September 20, 2006 07:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
... totally understanding what you mean Rainbow... but ...AAAHHHHHHHH!!!
All I think, regarding her, is the whole ' Village building...' bit...
Why can it not just be someONE... real. Real would be great!
Oh yeah, but this is politics.... ugh

~ geminstone

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jwhop
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posted September 20, 2006 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Hillary will be the next president.
That has already been determined....Rainbow

Well Rainbow, this seems to be one of your many conspiracy theories..no matter where they come from. BTW, since you penned the words, who the hell else would I be responding to?

Fair questions to ask of you and I'll repeat them on the assumption you didn't understand the questions the first time around.

"So, if Hillary doesn't run or is defeated in 2008, would that undermine your theory?"

"Would you then be forced to rethink your most cherished conspiracy theories and abandon them?"

"Or, would you just retool and reach for the next conspiracy theory?"

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posted September 21, 2006 05:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oops......

Sorry to have not been more clear.....

....and because you asked so nicely jwhop, I will try this again and also try to be more specific this time.

Here's what I said in the apparently confusing post....

quote:

Hillary will be the next president.
That has already been determined....Rainbow

Goodness! That was a presumptuous
statement to make, wasn't it?

I see now (since it was pointed out to me, [whether intentionally or not] ), that those few little words were put out there in a blatant and arrogant "know it all" fashion, by someone with what appears to be.....special, secret agent type "inside information" that only he/she has access to...*sigh*

Gad! What a pompous A$$!

Had I had the wisdom (foresight) to add to that answer....."according to information that I came across"

....it might have looked less 'sensational.'
.


.......so I'll attempt to correct the error you feel I made with that post (when I thoughtlessly presented it the way in which I did).

This time I'll post it ..... the way I should have posted it in the first place.....

...and here is what it should have said.....

"HILLARY WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT......THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED....ACCORDING TO INFORMATION, I CAME ACROSS...."

You see, I am NOT a politician....have never run for office...am in no way an expert in the world of politics (it was my SON who taught political science in high school - NOT me! *wink*) so there's NO way I could have possibly come to that conclusion about Hillary with such absolute, positve assuredness.....all on my own....(God! that would be smug of me wouldn't it?)


I am curious about the world.....the world of politics...... and politicians however......so I read, read, and read some more.......with hopes that I might have a better understanding of that strange world....

In the process....when I come across information which I consider important (not to mention it also making a great deal of sense to me), I feel I need to share it with others....who may not have had access to it before...in order that they too have the opportunity to at least be aware of it.
They can then make their own determination whether or not it makes sesnse to them.

But whatever decision they make about the validity of the information....at least they have had the opportunity to see it, and make up their own minds...

Now....I DID give you an answer, jwhop, and my answer remains the same!

Here is the quote.....and here is the same answer....

quote:
......you ask that if Mz. Hill is defeated....or doesn't run, will that undermine my theory?
Goofy question, because I don't have a theory.
It's something I read from someone whom I consider a pretty reliable source.
However, I don't think that it's WRITTEN IN STONE....so it would not interfer one iota in "my most cherished conspiracy theories.



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