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DayDreamer
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posted October 15, 2006 01:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cancerrg, anyone else...what are your thoughts on this?

Mass Hindu conversion
http://today.reuters.com/tv/videoStory.aspx?isSummitStory=False&storyId=0ff9ec72254fec2c9f89988c2d21ef64780cd9e9&WTmodLoc=vidarticle-l1-morevideo-4

Oct. 14 - Hundreds of Indian low-caste Hindus convert to Buddhism and Christianity to avoid discrimination.

The conversion became a mass protest against new laws demanding anyone planning to leave the Hindu fold obtains certificates from officials and affidavits from courts, stating they were converting out of free will.

The low caste men and women burnt copies of these bills to express their anger.

Dalits are at the bottom of the 3,000-year-old Hindu caste system that has been dominated by the once-priestly class of Brahmins.

Stuart McDill reports.

© Reuters 2006. All rights reserved.

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cancerrg
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posted October 15, 2006 02:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hy day ! how have you been ? whats new in life (besides your marriage plan !! )


ah, well as far as this piece of news goes , this has been happening for the last some many years .
i mean decades . it might be a news to you but its not so for so many people over here .

see, as i said in one of your other thread regarding child labour , this too a different dimensions to it . we just can not see it in a unidimensional way , the way the article projsects the situation .

it has certain political economical resons as well .

if you want me to go deep into it , i would but for that you too would need a lot of patience cos you will to undertand the society and its ways .

ok, btw how much do u know about the situation ? i would like to know ...

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DayDreamer
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posted October 15, 2006 03:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey RG,

Life (besides my marriage plan ) is so so. How about you?

I knew of Hindus converting because of the political and economic disadvantages of being at the bottom of the caste system..

This article made it seem like it's happening in the masses...I guess "hundreds" isn't all that many when you're looking at the population of India. What would happen to the hierarchy if most people at the bottom converted...does it really matter in this day and age?

I dont know all that much about the situation. That's why i was asking you.

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cancerrg
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posted October 16, 2006 04:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
:::What would happen to the hierarchy if most people at the bottom converted ::::

nothing , you wont believe it but thats what would happen or rather happens .

there is hiearchy among the converts as well , its not my pessimistic way of seeing the things but a reality .

see , how i see caste is more of kind of groupings that people create over a period of time .
in our system , we have made it so rigid .
its breaking but it will take quite a lot of time , it might speed up with the power shifting over to the backward castes and working equilibrium getting created ( the tussles wont ever go , they are here to stay in way or the other . infact thats the logic of my not hating either bush or osama , they are just playing their parts )

and power moving over to backward castes is quite a known fact mainly cos they form the majority of the population . we have so many member of parliamenent and state councils from the backward castes ( socalled , cos they are much better than us in certain ways , infact if i see half of friends are from that background . one of my closet friend is one )

there are less of bureacrats and people in private sector cos they have'nt had chance for education and business was earlier controlled mainly by the business class only which prefered their own people , they could cos earlier the size of business was small and there was no corporate culture , which is impossible now cos the size of business have changed . ( even the business class has a caste , they are called bania , if you rem laxmi niwas mittal , he is from the same caste from rajasthan )

i'll answer the second part of your very simple question later

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DayDreamer
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posted October 17, 2006 11:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
interesting!

Another question ...

What do you mean by the backward castes?...the ones at the bottom or the top of the hierarchy? I think you mean the people at the lower end.

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cancerrg
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posted October 19, 2006 05:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yup mean the same !
see , i am not getting into the finer details for that i'll have to google a lot of facts and i am really lazy for that . hope you dont mind that .


the society is divided into diferent sections and those sections are further subdivided into another set . its sort of never ending groupings .

i believe , you have never had been to pakistan in recent times otherwise you would have understood the caste system in a better way cos as far as i know muslims have this caste system too .
they have it here and they have it in pak . may be its not as pronounced as the hindus .


:::does it really matter in this day and age?
:::

coming back to your question , no it doesn't but dealing with life , you can't ignore certain facts and in here , this is something that you can't ignore .

and let me tell you an interesting fact , india's growth as a tech savvy country especially in the field of computer software and to an extent medicine ( mediacl tourism is one of the most growing industry in here with a growth rate of around 35% ) has its roots in the caste system .

indian economy got libralised in 90's that was also the same time when mandal commission ( caste based quotas , its differnt from affirmative action practised in west ) recommenedtations were accepted by the parliament initiated by the then prime minister (incidentally , he himself comes from a high caste royal family ) in a bid to woo the lower caste votes ( they are very very crucial , no one can win without them , remember they are majority in the society ) he was fighting rajiv gandhi at that time .

once the recommendations were accepted paving the way for quotas for lower castes in all the important institutions thus excluding upper caste students .
now , where could the go with all the education that they had , the new opening software industry with immense potential was the answer . so , inlife everything has a good or bad affect to it . proved!

mandal commision ( even muslims get quota in certain sections , a muslim has seven chances to appear in indian adm . services while someone like me has just four . if this country has stabilised as a democracy there are certain reasons , which ofcourse i am proud of. that is also the reason why i always object when sg would say that we illtreated our minorities . i dont deny the shame of gujrat carnage , though .) apart from shah bano case ( inwhich the rajiv gandhi govt. rejected the supreme court judgemnt by a special proposal in parliamnet which made it mandatory for her husnad to help her fianancially , she was fifty when divorced . rajiv gandhi cowed down mainly cos certain influential mullhas said it was against the tenants of islam ( imagine their slefishnes ) are cited as two of the main reasons for the rise of hindu extremist party . all this culminated in the demolition of babri masjid , its all politics .
that again culminated in bombay blasts followed by massive riots .

so the main culprit , politics and yeah caste too


oh, i just feel i might have gopt confused in between cos i started it from something and ended on something else .
so in case you feel like asking anything , do let me know . there are somany dimensions , infact its an unending conversation .

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DayDreamer
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posted October 19, 2006 05:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Youre right I havent been to Pakistan in a while...and the last time I was there, (when I was five) I wouldnt have been able to pick up much.

No doubt theres a hierarchial social system in Pakistan as well. Though the hiearchy is a part of the society...it's not supposed to be part of the religion most Pakistanis follow.

Didnt realize the extent politics played in the system tho.

Im running on empty cuz of Ramadan...so I'll get back to you on this topic soon.

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