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neptune5
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posted October 26, 2006 04:08 PM
 
World May Be Headed for Nuclear Destruction: ElBaradei
VIENNA - The head of the U.N. nuclear watchdog said on Thursday the world could be headed for destruction if it does not stop the spread of atomic weapons technology, which has become widely accessible. In an opinion piece in the New York Times, Mohamed ElBaradei wrote that nuclear technology, once virtually unobtainable, is now obtainable through "a sophisticated worldwide network able to deliver systems for producing material usable in weapons." Above all ElBaradei echoed President Bush's call in a speech on Wednesday for states to tighten up the control of their companies' nuclear exports to proliferators. ElBaradei, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) director-general, said the world must act quickly because inaction would a create a proliferation disaster. "The supply network will grow, making it easier to acquire nuclear weapon expertise and materials. Eventually, inevitably, terrorists will gain access to such materials and technology, if not actual weapons," he wrote. "If the world does not change course, we risk self-destruction," ElBaradei said. The father of Pakistan's atom bomb, Abdul Qadeer Khan, admitted last week that he and scientists from his Khan Research Laboratory in Pakistan leaked nuclear secrets. They are believed to have been part of a global nuclear black market organized to help countries under embargo such as Iran, North Korea and Libya skirt international sanctions and obtain nuclear technology that could be used to make weapons. The massive illicit network has touched on at least 15 countries around the world. ElBaradei said the 1968 nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), the global pact aimed at stopping the spread of atomic weapons, needed to be revisited and toughened to bring it in line with the demands of the 21st century. He said it should not be possible to withdraw from the NPT, as North Korea did last year, while the tougher inspections in the NPT Additional Protocol should be mandatory in all countries. Currently fewer than 40 of the more than 180 NPT signatories have approved the protocol. NUCLEAR EXPORT CONTROLS ElBaradei said that the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), a 40-nation group of countries that work together to prevent the export of peaceful nuclear technology to countries that might want weapons, needed to be transformed into a binding treaty. "The current system relies on a gentlemen's agreement that is not only non-binding, but also limited in its membership: it does not include many countries with growing industrial capacity," he wrote. "And even some members fail to control the exports of companies unaffiliated with government enterprise," he added. ElBaradei called for the production of fissile material for weapons to be halted and enrichment technology restricted. He said people who assist proliferators should be treated as criminals and states should eradicate loopholes that enable sensitive exports to slip past regulators. He also called on the atomic weapons states who signed the NPT -- the United States, China, Russia, Britain and France -- to move toward disarmament as called for in the pact. In a clear jab at the United States, which plans to forge ahead with research into the so-called mini nukes, ElBaradei said the world must drop the idea that nuclear weapons are fine in the hands of some countries and bad in the hands of others. "We must abandon the unworkable notion that it is morally reprehensible for some countries to pursue weapons of mass destruction yet morally acceptable for others to rely on them for security -- and indeed to continue to refine their capacities and postulate plans for their use," he said.
 its so depressing to realize that the persons that are leading our world may ultimately cause its end. (any opinions...) ------------------
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neptune5
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posted December 28, 2006 06:41 PM
this is the reality we face every second of the day, its hard for me to believe that no one cares about this. Oblivious members of humanity.------------------
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Sweet Stars
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posted December 29, 2006 11:07 AM
I'd say that the most dangerous part in all this are the world leaders who have them.IP: Logged |
neptune5
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posted December 29, 2006 12:32 PM
Yes, indeed. I always think, if humanity cared about themselves and were strong enough as a whole, they could protest for the disarmament and dismantling of nukes, if only humanity cared enough for themselves and the earth which sustains our beloved race.------------------
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neptune5
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posted December 29, 2006 02:52 PM
I'd also like to thank and commend sweet stars for having the courage to speak up(on this terrifying topic).
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posted December 29, 2006 03:13 PM
Neptune5, how do you suggest we accomplish this?do you think they might lie, and keep other nuclear weapons secret??? who ever gives up their arms, will be weak and exposed..prey. ... there is no easy solution..except for as many people as possible to Master themSelves..
and that takes hard work and dedication... it means ignoring trivial things that are not part of the equation, like material possessions..Fashion..things that are not connected to God, but more our ego... simply... it's not that simple, for people want what they want and are not concerned about the human race as a whole. ... Connect with God and The Universe...
spend some time with Nature. ... because people did not respond..was most certainly not, because they didn't care... it's not right to assume... acting as if one is better than another we are all equal  IP: Logged |
neptune5
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posted December 29, 2006 04:39 PM
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because people did not respond..was most certainly not, because they didn't care...it's not right to assume...
lotus i understand, and i never meant or said that you or anyone else didn't care, i said "its hard for me to believe that no one cares" (because i know that all of you do) and i never assumed, i said that sweet stars had courage, of which we all do expressed in our own way. ------------------
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neptune5
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posted December 29, 2006 05:41 PM
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who ever gives up their arms, will be weak and exposed..prey. ...there is no easy solution..except for as many people as possible to Master themSelves..
and that takes hard work and dedication... it means ignoring trivial things that are not part of the equation, like material possessions..Fashion..things that are not connected to God, but more our ego... simply... it's not that simple, for people want what they want and are not concerned about the human race as a whole. ...
Lotus, listen to yourself, you, as well as I, continously state that we are all equal, which is true. So you can not definitevely say that all people are not concerned about the human race as a whole, because their are few. But the problem lies with the people who do care, don't have power to influence the masses.
And I understand its about ignoring trivial things, but its not just about being connected to God. Think about this, God isn't saving humanity from the atrocities of war, is he? So it must be about who we are as a race, and what our knowledge, capabilities, & limitations are as humans and how we can incorporate that for the survival of not just us, but future generations and the earth that sustains us.
And yes, lotus, it is simple. The reason why it's became difficult is because human action, without thought of consequence, creates the difficulty. We must free ourselves.
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posted December 29, 2006 05:56 PM
The nuclear genie is out of the bottle and there's no way to ever put it back.Any reasonably intelligent scientifically minded teenager could make a nuclear device...if they had the plutonium. It's no longer rocket science. The sad fact is that there's no way to account for and secure all the plutonium under all situations...or prevent a nation from making a nuclear weapon in secret and using it to blackmail the rest of the world. It's the sheerest fantasy to think someone wouldn't and either threaten to...or actually use it. IP: Logged |
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posted December 29, 2006 06:16 PM
great insight jwhop, hear that lotus/sweetstars/knowflakes, thats the bitter taste of reality. I never really logically understood why an evolving (human) race, so strong, but fragile, would create a war device, that would destory themselves and the earth, like, really Why? The creation of stockpiles of nuclears is definitely the most irrational mistake humans have, and ever will make. They've clearly created a monster that will devour them if not used constructively. (then again, theres no such thing as using hundreds of weapons of mass destruction constructively, no such thing, doesn't exist) Think about this, if theres a war, theres not going to be a clear winner, because everything will be gone. I think they failed to think that through. I don't think, until they hear these words, they will know how irrational (referring to stockpiles of nuclears) this really is. Its absolutely ludicrous. ------------------
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posted December 29, 2006 10:17 PM
Funny thing though we learned in International Relations that nuclear weapons (outside non state actors' hands ie terror groups) make the world a safer place. Countries are less likely to attack each other if both have the power to destroy each other completely. I.E. COld war would never lead to destruction> Kinda makes sense to meIP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted December 29, 2006 10:56 PM
Mutual Assured Destruction does make sense.But only within the framework of nations with sane leadership. Iran and North Korea do not qualify on that score. IP: Logged |
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posted December 30, 2006 01:49 PM
*jumps* JWHOP u took IR!! Mannnnn if only i knew before my final u could have helped me study! That was one of the questions i got wrong Mutual Assured Distruction! UGH IP: Logged |
BornUnderDioscuri
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posted December 30, 2006 01:50 PM
I dont know though...i doubt Iran or North Korea would be willing to die...especially since the govt of Iran is illected and the people definately dont have the martyr complex for the most part. Iranians arent big on the whole martyrdom which fascinates me. IP: Logged |
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posted December 31, 2006 04:36 PM
wait, BUD, aren't the majority of Iranian's of islamic faith, isn't Iran an islamic nation. I thought that their version of martyrdom was the "suicide bombing", don't they really emphasize that?------------------
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posted December 31, 2006 05:48 PM
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Mutual Assured Destruction does make sense.
But only within the framework of nations with sane leadership.Iran and North Korea do not qualify on that score.
Iran... Hmmm... tough view. Look at it this way; If Iran WAS to distibute its nuclear Arsenal amoung terror groups, It would have done so already without anyone knowing of it at all. Terror cells increasingly are operating under "Operational" basis only. Meaning, small cells exist for a brief period of time before until they do their task (no matter how small it may be) and then dissolve, only to be remade when needs call for. Its damn near impossible of intelligence agencies to keep track of them. No... Iran has other plans for that Uranium. Could be that it plans to use the Nukes for itself. If so, there in't much of a problem since Karzai may not be in power by the next term anyway (he isn't exactly popular in Iran.) quote:
thought that their version of martyrdom was the "suicide bombing", don't they really emphasize that?
Correction; EXTREMIST VIEW. Not everyone thinks Blowing oneself up for some lunitic political cause is so hot. IP: Logged |
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posted January 01, 2007 02:49 PM
Neptune, while Iran is an Islamic nation that doesnt at all mean they support suicide bombings. Islam itself is very much anti suicide of any sort. Martydom implies dying in a war while fighting for one's religion. Suicide is considered completely and utterly against Islam. Im not betting on this but so far I havnt seen any Iranian suicide bombers or any such actions within Iran. quote:
Iran... Hmmm... tough view. Look at it this way; If Iran WAS to distibute its nuclear Arsenal amoung terror groups, It would have done so already without anyone knowing of it at all.
Yea pretty much....plus a few terror groups are rather anti Shiite, not all but clearly some branches in Iraq share that mentality, it isnt in Iran's best interests to hand nuclear weapons to Sunni terror groups. quote:
If so, there in't much of a problem since Karzai may not be in power by the next term anyway (he isn't exactly popular in Iran.)
U mean Ahmadinejad? (karzai is in afghanistan). I thought he was actually rather popular in iran? IP: Logged |
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posted January 01, 2007 03:06 PM
Yes BUD, i realized that i left out the word extremist 7 minutes after my initial post. But thanks again,oh and jwhop, quote:
Mutual Assured Destruction does make sense.
But only within the framework of nations with sane leadership.Iran and North Korea do not qualify on that score.
Iran and north korea may not qualify on that score, but the news has it that north korea is now a member of the exclusive international club of nuclear nations, and they have every intention to stay that way.
Fallout
North Korea joins the nuclear club and sets off a global diplomatic crisis.
Crisis: North Korea
WEB EXCLUSIVE
By George Wehrfritz
Newsweek
Updated: 1:23 a.m. ET Oct 9, 2006
Oct. 9, 2006 - After years of brinkmanship, North Korea on Monday apparently tested a nuclear device deep underground, establishing itself as the world's eighth declared nuclear power. Pyongyang's official Korean Central News Agency reported that a successful test was conducted at 10:36 a.m. local time. The test "was carried out 100 percent with our own wisdom and technology," the report said. "The test will contribute to defending the peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula and in the neighboring regions."
The move, which Pyongyang had begun warning was imminent on Oct. 3, ends years of intensive diplomacy aimed at preventing the isolated Stalinist state from developing a nuclear capability. It struck a blow to Chinese leader Hu Jintao, who just hours before the detonation hosted a breakthrough summit meeting with Japan's new Prime Minister, Shinzo Abe, which ended with a joint call for Pyongyang to refrain from testing a weapon and rejoin six-party talks. The test poses new dilemmas for U.S. president George W. Bush, who following the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks declared the North to be part of an "axis of evil" that also included Iraq and Iran. And it radically shifts the diplomatic ground for Japan, Korea's former colonial occupier and the lynchpin U.S. ally in East Asia.
The destabilizing effect of Pyongyang's move is potentially grave. South Korea's Yonhap news agency says the test occurred in Hwadae County, a rural area facing eastward toward Japan that also is the location from which North Korea tested seven ballistic missiles (one of them capable of reaching U.S. territory) on July 4. South Korea's Geological Resources Research Institute detected an earthquake measuring 3.6 on the Richter scale in the area around 10:30, a seismic event suggesting a yield of less than 10—roughly half the power of the atom bombs the United States dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945. North Korea is believed to have enough weapons-grade plutonium for as many as 10 such weapons.
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posted January 01, 2007 03:15 PM
Neptune5,it has always been about God
our Creators..since the beginning
and the Universal God Laws.. we turned our backs on God
Man's ego took control
power and greed. . . So Simply, if we cannot Master OurSelves
and know God. ...
and bring God Back then we will bring our destruction
and we will start Over Again... . Happy New Year to ALL. . . LOve LOve LOve IP: Logged |
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posted January 01, 2007 03:22 PM
Lotus, I know exactly what your saying. But what I was stating is that, in a world like ours that is so corrupt, its not realistic for God to come instantly. Humanity must start with caring for their own brethren before a higher power assists them.Happy Holidays. ------------------
Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22 "Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis "Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted January 01, 2007 03:23 PM
God is within each One of USright NOW and always has been what are all of you waiting for? IP: Logged |
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posted January 01, 2007 03:40 PM
Its sooo hard to find God in oneself Lotus, or even if one does hard to keep him. Vengeful Scorpio moon keeps me from such. My resolution for New Year is to forgive all who done me ill in the past year. That will be a toughie  IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted January 01, 2007 03:54 PM
it becomes easier with time...
eventually, you live in two worlds
this one and the OverSoul God HeavenI do not expect anyOne to believe me I do however , pray and hope
that all will make a dedicated effort
in this New Year
to find Ones Self, to know thySelf to know and realize you are all divine
God within to see Magic around you
you will have to SEE differently you will have to tune in
the resonating in your left Ear Clear to higher frequencies
guidance from the spheres... Oh, I am in Awe
of GOdMOther and GOdFather
and ALL the Universes
Worlds it has always been up to US
individually
to see the duality
and bring Balance Peace, Heaven on Earth. ... it's hard work, how many are truly ready
to take to do everything with LOve in their
heart? How many will think of the big Picture,
and ALL, and the One and Only 2 in 1 GOD? what will it take to awaken the race
to the fact that we are narrators
of this world Theatre? When each One becomes to KNow God
and Masters themSelves...
healing ALL except those that have chosen the other side
for you cannot have Good without Evil we are so out of balance
Evil is winning.. we must bring in Ggodness..
LOve to God and ALL
and simply bring balance otherwise..change
will be forst upon us..
through Man and Nature
we shall bring our own demise
because of our ignorance
of the simple
Universal God Laws
it is time...
to SEE and HEAR... you must simply really want to! LOve and Respect for ALL. ... IP: Logged |
neptune5
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posted January 01, 2007 04:03 PM
Yes, lotus, your insight is terrific, and things do happen with time, but most importantly you must remember, God, gave mankind free will. Freedom to Chose, whether or not they acknowledge God's existance, Christians are not the only members of humanity, we have athiests, pagans, wiccans, hindus, buddhists, confusionists, we must all care for. So draw your own conclusions.------------------
Virgo Rising 8'57, Sagittarius Sun/4thH 3'26, Pisces Moon/6thH 8'22 "Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased." - C.S. Lewis "Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror." - Kahlil Gibran IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted January 01, 2007 04:08 PM
by going within...and knowing God
all will SEE
it's all the same we are all connected
all equal
brothers and sisters and One must learn this
for themSelves Neptune5
it is not good to advise
on things One does not know!
For God sees all
ALL is recorded
we must speak Truth
and verify
receive affirmations
before sharing... ALL I share is my own experience
I do ask that you believe
me
but, that rather, you find out
for yourSelf. ... LOve and Respect for ALL... . IP: Logged | |
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