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SecretGardenAgain
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posted November 22, 2006 02:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought this article was frikkin hilarious (being a muslim myself). I read it and thought "YES! YES YES YES! FINALLY SOMEONE IS SAYING WHAT WE'RE ALL THINKING!"

hahah

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alt.muslim -> Feature Story

Muslim Website Says Muslims Aren't Offended By Apple Store

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What if a Muslim in a forest complained about a New York retail outlet he'd never visited? Would he make a sound? If MEMRI weren't around, he wouldn't.

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By Shahed Amanullah, October 11, 2006



Recently, the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) stated that an anonymous Islamic website in the Middle East urged Muslims to show their outrage at the Apple Store in New York City, which built a pavilion coincidentally resembling the cube shape of the Ka'aba, the ancient structure in Mecca towards which all Muslims pray (the actual structure is glass, though MEMRI referenced a black plywood cover during construction). Predictibly, the post brought out cries of indignation from people upset that Muslims would be offended (yet again). But missing in the report was the name of the purported website, why it was considered authoritative on the matter, or any actual offended Muslims (our straw poll garnered a collective shrug, along with much respect for Steve Jobs, himself the son of an Arab). It's not the first time the controversial organisation has selectively framed an issue to show Muslims in a less than positive light, nor is it the only instance of pre-emptive outrage attributed to Muslims in recent months. Take the case of a Kate Moss advertisment across the street from a New York mosque. The idea that Muslims might be offended by this went from blog post to mainstream media, somehow becoming "hundreds" of Muslims "infuriated" along the way. Nobody bothered to ask Muslims, though. In fact, no Muslim ever complained. A similar story happened when a UK art gallery pulled some sexually explicit art pieces depicting young girls so as to not "shock the population" of Muslims who live in their east London neighborhood. As with the above, no Muslims actually complained, but it didn't matter - the damage was done, and Muslims were labeled anti-art without even having a say in the matter. The list goes on. A British school bans children's stories about pigs so that Muslims won't get offended - again no Muslim complained ("It is rather sad," commented UK imam Ibrahim Mogra. "Muslims would not find the Three Little Pigs offensive."). A German opera last week cancelled a performance in which the leaders of various religions were beheaded, again citing Muslim sensibilities - even though, again, no Muslims complained, and the opera was performed three years ago without incident. Despite the reaction of the Muslim world to the Danish Muhammad cartoons - which probably drove much of the paranoia behind these decisions - Muslims in the west have a thicker skin than most people think, and the vast majority aren't looking to impose their values on others. But in the case of the (selective) MEMRI account, where at least one Muslim did (allegedly) complain about the NYC Apple Store, it seems that whenever a lone Muslim says something incendiary - even when it is an anonymous person hiding in a cave somewhere - his words are taken to somehow represent all Muslims. When whole groups of Muslims issue condemnations of terrorism, they are treated as "brave but isolated cries", or worse, ignored. In MEMRI's case, the mainstream media has already begun reporting it as fact. When it comes to Muslims, everyone loves a rumor.

Shahed Amanullah is editor-in-chief of alt.muslim.



I told one of my arab best friends about it and he said, "of course we're not anti-three little pigs. Thats because by not being able to eat the pigs, the wolf displays an intrinscially Muslim trait" ROFL hes so hilarious gotta love him.

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SecretGardenAgain
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posted November 22, 2006 03:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=22904_And_Now_the_Apple_Jihad

This website is a blog of a bunch of right wing/extremist Jewish folks going off on the article that they didn't care to do any research on

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posted November 22, 2006 03:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting. Its food for thought for me. In USA every group openly complains about everything. We have the Nativity Scene on city property thing coming up again. I heard it on the radio. It seems like there is an overreaction, other people are overreacting for the Muslims, probably because there is so much going on in the world where there are many Muslims living.

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posted November 22, 2006 10:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MEMRI is pure propaganda...they're a hate group...id like to see them post info about the extremism in Israel and among other groups besides so called Muslims in the middle east...how about the Zionists as an example.

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posted November 23, 2006 12:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep...Ive seen and read through little green footballs before. Garbage.

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posted November 23, 2006 02:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's MEMRI's text:

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October 11, 2006 No.1315

Islamist Websites Monitor No. 5

Apple's "Mecca Project" Provokes Muslim Reaction

On October 10, 2006, an Islamist website posted a message alerting Muslims to what it claims is a new insult to Islam. According to the message, the cube-shaped building which is being constructed in New York City, on Fifth Avenue between 58th and 59th Streets in midtown Manhattan, is clearly meant to provoke Muslims. The fact that the building resembles the Ka'ba (see picture below), is called "Apple Mecca," is intended to be open 24 hours a day like the Ka'ba, and moreover, contains bars selling alcoholic beverages, constitutes a blatant insult to Islam. The message urges Muslims to spread this alert, in hope that "Muslims will be able to stop the project."


This blog has somewhat interesting discussion about it: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/index.php?p=305

This article spells out the reason for some of the skepticism surrounding MEMRI: http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,773258,00.html

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posted November 23, 2006 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think if someone wants to build a big cube that's their perogative.

Then again I'd probably be ok with anything that's irreverant towards organized religion. Organized religion is probably the greatest source of evil ever known to humanity.

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DayDreamer
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posted November 23, 2006 05:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Organized religion is probably the greatest source of evil ever known to humanity.

Im tired of people saying that!

Yes, evil has come from people that follow organized religion. But I think it's the people, not the religion, that is the source of evil. (What's the purpose of religion?) Much goodness has come from people that follow organized religion also.

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posted November 23, 2006 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

People are religion. Religion is people. You can't really separate the two. Without the people to practice the religion the religion doesn't exist.

People might find other reasons besides religion to commit atrocities, but religion is a consistent reason throughout history.

By your post I would guess that you are religious. I'm sorry if I offended you, most people are religious.


"In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point. "

"The Christian resolution to find the world ugly and bad has made the world ugly and bad."
-Friedrich Nietzsche

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posted November 27, 2006 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BR, I think every post of yours I read makes me admire you more.

Seriously, man.

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posted November 27, 2006 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD -
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(What's the purpose of religion?)

If it's not control, what is it?

(speaking mainly of Western, judaic based religions, not Eastern...)

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BornUnderDioscuri
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posted November 27, 2006 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOw this is rather rediculous. *props* to you Secret Garden, seriously people do seriously go overboard. Though honestly, I want to know how do you know they are really right wing Jews. Im not familiar with the website so I have no clue, I was just wondering. Also im taking an Islamic Political Thought class (gives real nice insight) and Islam is considered a Western religion. The whole east vs. west thing is an issue of colonization by Western Europe mainly rather than a religious division. ^_^

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SecretGardenAgain
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posted November 27, 2006 06:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
read the blog entries on little green footballs on that link. They say all kinds of colorful things like sexual insults, racist slurs, and all of that, about arabs, muslims, middle easterners, mohammad, people named mohammad, and so on

Im not one to be offended easily, but i find it offensive.

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posted November 27, 2006 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm im sorry I know what you mean and your right for being offended but im still not sure that everyone who posted those nasty things are Jewish. I mean im Jewish and Im offended by what is said there, but I would also be offended if ppl assumed i thought that just because of who I am. Happens to me quite often though. Anyways I think its realllyyy reeeally awesome to meet you, hope we could become friends. That would be cool ^_^

Sincerely, DR

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SecretGardenAgain
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posted November 27, 2006 07:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I def dont think all Jews are like that! I love Judaism. Its INTERESTING you are a Jewish person studying Islamic studies, I am a Muslim who took 1.5 yrs of comparative studies in Judaism (LOL), totally unrelated to my major during school (Business). I just found it fascinating. Ive been to Israel as well. Beautiful place.

Yes it would be more accurate to say that whoever those posters are they are ignorant/racist, regardless of denomination.

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posted November 27, 2006 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OMG thats nuts! I actually love Islam as a religion and find it fascinating (i dont follow Judaism closely though). Most of my close friends are in fact Muslim and I always dreamed of going to Saudi Arabia. This is awesome! I have never been to Israel but definately hope to go someday. My major is Psychology btw but i change it so often that I dont know if im sticking to it. But i most deifnately agree with you! <33
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posted November 27, 2006 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry but r u usually in this forum? IM usually in Astrology or Soul Unions trying to learn how to deal with the aweful relationship transits im going through right now. This forum is AWESOME!

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TINK
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posted November 27, 2006 08:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"The Christian resolution to find the world ugly and bad has made the world ugly and bad."
-Friedrich Nietzsche

I've always found that Nietzsche quote odd. Predictable given the source - miserable, tormented man that he was - but odd in the sense that it's so unfounded. The Judaic/Christian/Islamic stream is notably in favor of the material world. Compare the ceaseless love of Creation found in the Abrahmanic religions with the Hindu and Buddhist disregard for Maya, the World of Illusion.

Sad story SG. Shows just how willing and eager people are to fight.

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DayDreamer
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posted November 27, 2006 10:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really dont want to start another conversation on religion, johnny.

I have my own personal and private views that Im not in the mood to explain away.

Sure religion can be about control. But to many religious people it's more than that.

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posted November 27, 2006 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tink~

Actually the Jewish people really favor the intellectual world. They believe they are made for the world of intellect, and everyone else is for the physical world.

I don't think its that easy to breakdown religions into physical or non physical. One of the most popular hindu deiteis, ganesh, is the deity of prosperity, in the most physical sense possible.

I think religion means a lot to many people, and people tend to pick and choose what suits them. But if you look at what religion, it functions like an organism, it does whatever it can to maintain and propogate itself, even if this includes destroying and hurting people.

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posted November 27, 2006 10:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
God is within..Man created religion..to not know your own heart to GodOverSoul..is religion..an illusion created by Man..
Ego, Domination, Power. ...

Hiding the Truth..

My Body is My Temple..
and God is within..

Only you can find the Truth...

Know Thyself. ...


Do you think God created religion?

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lotusheartone
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posted November 27, 2006 11:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
first there were the Universal
God Laws..Some things were Forbidden
shhh..I can't tell you..the ten
commandments are not as they should be

missing pieces..

then as ego grew..and the need
for more and more..Man decided
to make his own Laws...

Religion..Power..Domination
WE Have the Powers..and you must
believe US.. Hogwash...

All we had to do ..was go within
and know for OurSelf..The Truth..

What a mess..we have created..
All for One and One for ALL
ALL in the same boat...

This is Our MOther Earth

how Much have we Forgotten???

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TINK
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That's a really good point, BR. I completely agree that the Jewish race excels at the intellectual. In fact, I would go so far as to say they were the worlds first intellectuals, the first to have a true concept of the "I". But looking through the Old Testament or Torah I can't help but be struck by the numerous loving and reverential references to God's Creation. This seems to me to be in contrast to the Eastern tendency to see only the spirit world as worthy. I'm not a practicing Hindu, only an admirer, but I sense a strong distaste for the physical inherent in that religion. Of course, if there are any Hindus here, please correct me if need be.

I adore Ganesh btw. And of course the Hindus acknowledge the physical, but in general I think it's safe to say there is a fundemental difference between the two streams. Makes sense too, I think, as Hinduism has the longest memory of all the worlds religion. The memory of a more spiritual human existence. As for Buddhism, if that doesn't reject the physical, I don't know what does.

I read once that with these paths the basic outlook is optimistic "in spite of the material world rather than because of it". On the other side of the spectrum, it goes without saying how dear the Promised Land has always been to the Jews.

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posted November 28, 2006 07:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I think religion means a lot to many people, and people tend to pick and choose what suits them. But if you look at what religion, it functions like an organism, it does whatever it can to maintain and propogate itself, even if this includes destroying and hurting people.

Sure there are stupid people that think that they must contol people to propagate a religion. And using religion to exploit people is wrong.

Religion does bring order and discipline...and does the opposite of what alot of people here think it does (ie destroys and hurt people). Religion looks to the betterment of society and actually prevents its destruction. People destroy and hurt people.

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TINK
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posted November 28, 2006 08:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ditto

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