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peace
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posted December 01, 2006 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope.I'm not talking about abortion.I'm talking about women's right to succeed in the business world.I've heard that in Japan women are still living like 1950's America.You know stay at home, while men work.Tell me,is Japan the only country still following this tradition?.

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BornUnderDioscuri
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posted December 01, 2006 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not at all...in Saudi Arabia a woman cant leave her home without an escort and polygamy is allowed in many countries still though not always the norm. Women's rights arent as widespread as people like to think.

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posted December 02, 2006 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about India?.

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lotusheartone
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posted December 02, 2006 11:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This world is dominated by Man

it was set up that way. ...

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posted December 02, 2006 02:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cause women are good in the kitchen

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BornUnderDioscuri
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posted December 02, 2006 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
India has very strict gender roles as far as I know

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posted December 03, 2006 01:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't even get me started. I'll offend someone I'm sure.

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posted December 03, 2006 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well i think you should have the right to express your opinion, I mean as long as its not ignorant insults people shouldnt be offended at the truth

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posted December 03, 2006 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IMHO: Women have to work twice as hard as a man in any given field except maybe the sciences (maybe Pid and others who work in the sciences can speak to that) to get the same recognition.

Women are still paid less than men for the same job more often than not. And sadly, in this example, women dominate Human Resources and therefore are part of the problem.

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But although women make up almost half of America's labor force, still only two Fortune 500 companies have women CEOs or presidents, and 90 of those 500 companies don't have any women corporate officers. Infoplease Article, April 2006

As a female drummer, I have to be able to play better than a male drummer to even get them to take me seriously at all. Another man only need mention he plays to get taken seriously. I get blown off till they actually hear me.

If women want a career and children, we have to pay for daycare. If a man wants a career and children, he just needs a wife.

More often than not,health insurance pays for Viagra but not birth control.

Strong, assertive women are "bitches" or "lesbians". Stong, assertive men are just men.

A sexually liberated woman is a **** , a sexually liberated man is just...a man.

Women who work and have children still do a disproportionate amount of work around the home.

The majority of girls seem to be more concerned about looking pretty than appearing smart.

And IMO, women are often equal contributors to this problem as men are.

/end rant

<edited to add> We still have more rights than women outside the Western World, so I try to remember that and be greatful...we need not walk around veiled, we can own property in our own right, we can drive, live alone, choose our own mates, and not be stoned to death for having sex out of wedlock. So, though the inequalities in the Western World anger me sometimes, I try to count the blessings we do have.

I'm sure I've offended someone, but no one can have an opinion here w/out offending someone, so...

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posted December 03, 2006 05:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its not difficult to succeed in the business world, even where there are bottlenecks/obstacles. Yes they exist everywhere, but a sharp, clever and keen woman will climb to the top anywhere. I know there are different biases for women than men, but men also have a hard time dealing with all the politics and man-politics is scary (military-like competition and ego crushing goes on...)

"Women have to be twice as intelligent as men to earn half as much as they do, luckily this is not hard at all"

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posted December 03, 2006 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL@ SG that is in fact true because man politics has its own issues but i mean speaking world wide rather than in so called "western" nations the difference is still great.

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posted December 04, 2006 01:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*Quote Start*
India has very strict gender roles as far as I know
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BornUnderDioscuri..

Well, there r no strict gender roles as such...not atleast in the current India

its a woman's wish whether they want to work or not! nowadays the men help out their wives in the kitchen and a woman works in the same field as her male counterpart shoulder to shoulder .......
also parents want their girls to get a good job as they want them to be independent...
there are many MNC's in India where the woman are the heads...
also in rural areas there are woman who r highly qualified and still working in some small firms...being the bread winner of the family

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posted December 04, 2006 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear ALeonine,

I didnt mean necessarily in terms of jobs. I know that in India women are in fact encouraged to work. But as far as i know (more than half of my friends are from the subcontinent) gender roles are still common and men are socially allowed to do far more things than women are. I mean gender roles exist in U.S. as well but they are a bit more rigid in India from my experience. Now i may be wrong and if i am i appologize and thank you for your insight.

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posted December 04, 2006 11:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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As a female drummer, I have to be able to play better than a male drummer to even get them to take me seriously at all. Another man only need mention he plays to get taken seriously. I get blown off till they actually hear me.

that's kewl Isis...my cousin is a female drummer too..(and what do you know a Muslim too)...but after a engineering and then music deg shes now works for Canadian idol.


Im not sexist...But the rest of what you posted just motivates me to kick some male @$$.

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DayDreamer
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posted December 04, 2006 11:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This makes me cringe...

Break up Liberal `old boys club'

can apply to Conservatives, or any other political party...

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The traditional electoral success of the Liberal party results from the votes of women: Volunteer work within the Liberal party is largely done by women. Yet, in the Liberal leadership contest, only the spirited Martha Hall Findlay is still in the race

As thousands of Liberals prepare to meet in Montreal to choose a new leader and debate party renewal, a critical question must be answered: What needs to change in the Liberal party for women to assume real positions of influence?

Politics is still a bastion of the "old boys' club."

Women have made remarkable progress over the past generation in areas like university admissions. But two power centres still remain largely closed — corporate and political boardrooms.

The despicable targeting of Belinda Stronach in recent weeks is an illustration of the "old boys' club" at work.

Stronach was allegedly called a "dog" in the House of Commons, then "***** " by Norman Spector, a former PMO aide and ambassador, who should know better, and finally, Ralph Klein waded in with an obscene "joke" that only proved that he should have resigned years ago.

Stronach, then, has had to endure this "joke" being repeated ad nauseam by every newspaper, because it was deemed "news."

Had these denigrators used racial or ethnic insults, there would be demands galore for their resignations. Yet, there has been little outcry over the smearing of Stronach.

Why is it acceptable in our political class to declare an open season on women?

Women make up 51 per cent of the population of Canada, but only 20 per cent of the federal Liberal caucus. In the Commons as a whole, 64 women MPs were elected in 2006, one fewer than in 2004.

Women running for the House have fallen from 476 in 1993 to 373 in the last election.

Canadians pride themselves on how well we do in various international rankings. But on the measure of women in legislatures, Canada ranks only 42nd.

Canadians, for example, are in Afghanistan fighting for democratic equality, but the Afghan legislature has 27 per cent female membership, while our House of Commons has 21 per cent! Who needs to learn a lesson from whom?

Anne McLellan, chair of the Women's Task Force for the Liberal Renewal Commission, is the kind of dynamic woman who should have been a leadership candidate. She has called on the Liberal party to commit to the goal of having 50 per cent female candidates.

Stéphane Dion has promised that if elected leader, at least 33 per cent of his candidates in the next election would be women.

Bob Rae has a proven record of promoting women from when he was premier of Ontario. But such pledges must be reinforced by institutional changes that will force the party to walk the walk, as well as talk the talk.

Canadian parties are voluntary organizations. But they are largely financed by taxpayers.

If parties accept the public's money, they must also abide by national values, such as the Charter of Rights' guarantee of gender equity. The party financing formula should be structured either to penalize parties that do not run at least 50 per cent women candidates, or give additional resources to parties that do so.

The party also has a tradition of alternating French and English leaders. It should also adopt the practice of alternating male and female party presidents. I worked with Iona Campagnolo, a vigorous party president, who also should have run for leader. But so far, she is the only woman to have held that position.

At the leadership convention, every candidate will be discussing child care, health policy, and human security. The best way of ensuring that such promises are realized is to have a House of Commons with at least half its members female.



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Thomas S. Axworthy is the chair of the Centre for the Study of Democracy at Queen's University.

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pidaua
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posted December 05, 2006 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Isis,

I have to agree with you that women still get paid less is most professions. Science and some business is more progressive. I found that working in Biotech / Business was extremely lucrative, but when I worked for a large University on the East coast running a Veterinary Diagnostic lab (I ran it alone and processed more than 400 samples a month) I was on the bottom of the food chain.

The University was still an "old boys club" and my predecessor had less experience and half my education yet made more than $30,000 a year than I did, even though he had only worked in that lab for 6 months. He was then promoted and given another $15,000 raise on top of it when he went on a contract. He was being rewarded by the network.

The males in the department all received massive raises while the females received our 2% COLA. It was pretty pathetic.

BUT.. when I went into Biotech it was the opposite. Business rewards talent and I quickly moved up and my salary more than doubled within the 5 years I worked for the company.

This County is still a bit old school- but we are all pretty much at the same level due to County policy. I work with an older male that believes men still dominate (which is odd that he would be so gender-biased based on his sexual orientation- I don't get that). He came on the scene and made a few caustic gender remarks, but was quickly put in his place considering our boss is a Female Sagittarian - LOL....

I also found that in Education females seem to dominate the field and have more power than males. Most of the people I work with and the majority of my fellow ESA Directors are all females, however, our State School Superintendent is a male.

Interesting.....


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posted December 05, 2006 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you're so against the old boys club, then why are you such an adamant republican? The party of the good ol' boy?

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posted December 05, 2006 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL... The Biotech company was run by Conservative Republicans... The University was run by Liberal Democrats...

They just reinforced my political affliation. As I have stated before- it is a matter of 'Put up or shut up'. The Liberals didn't put up nor could they shut up.

In fact, the Libbies that run the government in this county start us all off at the same rate (can you say socialist). I was told to stop working so hard and stop being the curve buster because I was making people look bad when I worked in Bioterrorism. The two main people that ran the department were flaming Liberals that hated the Military and Conservatives. When one of them found out I was a Republican she set out to make my life miserable.

Nah... I will stick to the Republican party. I like to have the ability to move up on my own merit and not because of my gender or the color of my skin.

PS.. I now work for a very Conservative Republican Saggie... she kicks a$$ and the money has turned out to be a heck of alot better than BT.

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posted December 05, 2006 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe if you weren't such a loudmouth about your political affiliation you wouldnt' have got into trouble.

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posted December 05, 2006 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm.. isn't this a funny turn of events BR? You accuse me of being verbally abusive and attacking people on threads- yet you are known for using those very tactics that you accuse me of.

I know that I am not the only one that notices it and maybe if people like you didn't insinuate yourselves into conversations with derogatory one liners you wouldn't be met with such opposition.

**** No one knew my political affiliation. Someone put a sticker in my office for me from the County fair, it slipped out and the boss saw it.

Nice try though.

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posted December 05, 2006 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Meh, you are verbally abusive, if you'd at least fess up to it you'd be a bit less of a hypocrite. Do you need to me to add up all the abusive things you've said to diffent knowflakes.

I challenge you to a comparison. Things I've said and to how many knowflakes, versus your waterfall of insults. Yours will be greater in frequency, virulence, and to a larger target audience. Mine will be almost completely towards you and Jwhop, perhaps because someone needs to stand up to your reprehensible abuse?


Here's an example of you cursing:

"Well Mirandee get you A$$ back to the other thread "

Can you find an example of me cursing at a knowflake?

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posted December 05, 2006 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well it seems that you succeeded in doing what you wanted to do- turn a thread into an attack on me.

Tell me BR, are you going to stalk all threads, waiting for me to post while you start baiting me like a child?

You're a sad little man. Do what you want, if that makes you feel better, if it somehow takes away from your own guilt and grief, be my guest. You are only going to succeed in further proving the kind of person that you are- but I am not going to be a part of your little warped game.

People are tired of it. I fed into with with a couple of posters here and I won't do it with you. You bore me.

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posted December 05, 2006 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I bore you because I present the truth to your face and you don't want to believe it:

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because I'd love to see your flabby a$$ serving as Big Bertha's B1tch toy at the county jail

More cursing and name calling, what you accuse me of. You refuse to enage this because you don't want to see all your horrible comments and insults piled up in one place. Are you afraid to face you toxicity Pidaua?

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posted December 05, 2006 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do hope you will also show other's attacks on me- especially since you crashed this thread with your accusations.

Keep it up BR... keep making yourself look stupid. People are sick and tired of this. What have you got to prove? I have listed all of my posts again and again- EVERYONE here has read them. We ALL know.

BUT... what do you get out of this? Is your soul that dark that you are like a child that gets his kicks out of keeping something going when we have all wanted it to end?


You tried this on the "It's like this" thread and another one, but could not offer any proof. Do you want to re-post what I said to Rainbow- do you think that will help bring about the positive light back to this forum?

Do you think constantly bringing it up is going to make ME or YOU look bad?

This thread was not about who is an idiot and who it not. It was not about who can attack another and then bring up sensitive issues, such as you capitalizing and using the tragic circumstance of another knowflake to further your personal grudge.

This thread was about women working in a man's world. I was asked a question by Isis- but you felt the need to jump in to start your weird fight again.

You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the a$$.

Oh and if you want to continue down this road, you must hold all knowflakes that cussed accountable. Or do you have a specific threshold on who should or should not be held accountable? No, don't answer that.. I am sure it only pertains to knowflakes with the username "Pidaua".


LMAO.. you're a joke BR.

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posted December 05, 2006 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought you weren't going to be a part of my "warped game"?

It's not just rainbow, you've verbally abused countless folks. Go ahead, check the histories, you'll see what I see.

Now you are cursing at me, which just further proves my point. All I want is for you to admit to being abusive. That's all I'm asking for. I'm asking for you to stop your hypocrisy. I'm asking for you to be a good sagittarian and admit the truth.

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