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pidaua
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posted December 14, 2006 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
December 13, 2006
Circumcision Reduces Risk of AIDS, Study Finds
By DONALD G. McNEIL Jr.
Circumcising African men may cut their risk of catching AIDS in half, the National Institutes of Health said today as it stopped two clinical trials in Africa, when preliminary results suggested that circumcision worked so well that it would be unethical not to offer it to uncircumcised men in the trials.

AIDS experts immediately hailed the result, saying it gave the world a new way to fight the spread of AIDS, and the directors of the two largest funds for fighting the disease said they would now consider paying for circumcisions.

“This is very exciting news,” said Daniel Halperin, an H.I.V. specialist at Harvard’s Center for Population and Development, who has argued in scientific journals for years that circumcision slows the spread of AIDS in the parts of Africa where it is practiced.

In an interview from Zimbabwe, Mr. Halperin added: “I have no doubt that, as word of this gets around, millions of African men will want to get circumcised and that will save many lives.”

But experts also cautioned that circumcision is no cure-all. It only lessens the chances that a man will catch the virus, it is expensive compared to condoms, abstinence or other methods, and the surgery has serious risks if performed by folk healers using dirty blades, as often happens in rural Africa.

Sex education messages to young men need to make it clear that “this does not mean that you have an absolute protection,” said Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, an AIDS researcher and director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which sponsored the trials. Circumcision should be added to other prevention methods, not replace them, he said.

The two trials were carried out among nearly 3,000 men in Kisumu, Kenya, and nearly 5,000 men in Rakai, Uganda. None were infected with H.I.V., the virus that causes AIDS; they were divided into circumcised and uncircumcised groups. They were given safe sex advice — although many presumably did not take it — and retested regularly.

The trials were stopped by the National Institutes of Health’s Data Safety and Monitoring Board this week after data showed that the Kenyan men had a 53 percent reduction in new H.I.V. cases and the Ugandan men a 48 percent reduction.

In Kenya, 22 of the 1,393 circumcised young men in the study caught the disease, compared with 47 of the 1,391 uncircumcised men.

Those results echo the finding of a trial completed last year in the town of Orange Farm, South Africa, financed by the French government, which demonstrated a reduction of 60 percent among circumcised men.

Two agencies, one under the State Department and the other financed by a number of countries, said they now would be willing to pay for circumcisions, which they have not before, citing a lack of hard evidence that it works.

Dr. Richard G. A. Feachem, executive director of the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria, said that if a country seeking money submitted plans to conduct safe, sterile circumcisions, “I think it’s very likely that our technical panel would approve it.”

Ambassador Mark Dybul, executive director of the $15 billion President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief in the State Department, said his agency “will support implementation of safe medical male circumcision for HIV/AIDS prevention.”

He too warned that it was only one new weapon.

“Prevention efforts must reinforce the ABC approach — abstain, be faithful and correct and consistent use of condoms,” he said.

Uncircumcised men are thought to be more susceptible to AIDS because the underside of the foreskin is rich in Langerhans’ cells, which attach easily to the virus. The foreskin may also suffer small tears during intercourse, making it more susceptible to infection.

Researchers have long noted that parts of Africa where circumcision is practiced — particularly in the Muslim countries of West Africa — had much lower AIDS rates. But it was unclear whether other factors, such as religion or polygamy, played important roles.

Outside Muslim regions, circumcision is spotty. In South Africa, for example, the Xhosa people circumcise teen-age boys, while Zulus, whose traditional homeland abuts theirs, do not. AIDS is common in members of both tribes.

In recent years, as word has spread that circumcision might be protective, many African men have sought it out. A Zambian hospital offered $3 circumcisions last year, and Swaziland trained 60 doctors to give them at $40 each after its waiting lists grew.

“Private practitioners also do it,” Dr. Halperin said. “In some places, it’s $20, in others, much more. Lots of the wealthy elite have already done it. It prevents STD’s, it’s seen as cleaner, sex is better, women like it. I predict that a lot of men who can’t afford private clinics will start clamoring for it.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/13/health/13cnd-hiv.html?ei=5065&en=8833323645b51227&ex=1166677200&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print

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posted December 14, 2006 05:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the only safe thing to do is wear a condom..
so what is the point of this?

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posted December 14, 2006 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First off, the majority of people in that country to not practice safe sex. Non-circumcised penises have a higher propensity of harboring bacteria AND viruses.

HIV is a dose-loading virus, that means that the higher the number if viral particles the higher the chance of actually contracting the disease.

"But experts also cautioned that circumcision is no cure-all. It only lessens the chances that a man will catch the virus, it is expensive compared to condoms, abstinence or other methods, and the surgery has serious risks if performed by folk healers using dirty blades, as often happens in rural Africa. "

"Dr. Richard G. A. Feachem, executive director of the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria, said that if a country seeking money submitted plans to conduct safe, sterile circumcisions, “I think it’s very likely that our technical panel would approve it.”"


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It is also imperative because what researchers are finding is that HIV is also increasing in potency due to higher viral loads as caused by Malaria. If they can decrease the chance of contraction of HIV with circumcision (since condomn use is almost nil and abstinence is a joke) then that is just one more weapon against the spread of the disease.

Malaria aids HIV, which in turn aids Malaria. The patient with Malaria has a higher chance of contracting HIV even if introduced to a tiny number of viral cells. Once the person is infected with HIV, they can recontract Malaria. It is a terrible cycle.

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posted December 14, 2006 05:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it just seems very extreme to me...

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posted December 14, 2006 05:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what about the high risk of infection?

if they have trouble keeping their uncircumscised penis' clean...

how will they keep it clean, after the procedure?


am I getting carried away?

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posted December 14, 2006 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
what about the high risk of infection?

Miniscule. Almost non-existant if the procedure has been performed properly and with sanitary conditions.

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posted December 14, 2006 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think someone is consummed by the penis...LOL... just kidding.

The International organizations have ponied up tons of money for the sterile procedure. I am sure after the surgery they will supply the patients with antiseptics and antibiotics. Keeping it clean won't be hard unless they roll around in mud and stuff. LOL...

But it should heal quickly, but will be painful.

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posted December 14, 2006 05:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hehe

maybe..want to make sure they are okay, lol

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posted December 14, 2006 06:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well the circumcision is a nice reduction, but some men would see it as a personal sacrifice for them to do such a thing, even if it does reduce an extreme viral disease. This question is really annoying me but, there are a lot of scientists and doctors researching for their lifetimes trying to find the cure for AIDS, but is it true that it could never be chemical? Ironically, as of right now, from my insufficient knowledge of medicine, i simply thought that the chemical's purpose was to not just kill the virus but the virus attaches itself to the host, which in turn the chemicals kill the host, but in a disease like AIDS, the human becomes the host, so then i would only guess from that information that the chemicals that were made to kill the host are at the same time taking the life of that person infected with HIV. (?) Does anyone have a similar view or disagree with me?

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posted December 14, 2006 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Virus that causes HIV is very tricky and highly mutable. A virus (or virion) is like a spaceship that lands on the surface of a plant (cell). It injects it's DNA (of in the case of a retrovirus- RNA) into the cell and therefore changes what the cell manufactures via the cells DNA. For example, it is like infiltrating the Keebler tree and changing out the ingredients to make mint cookies to make pumpkin muffins instead.

BUT.. these new muffins are cleverly disguised as mint cookies, so while the quality assurance people (T-cells) are checking to make sure everything is kosher, these little dudes get by... and infiltrate More cells as they manufacture more virus particles.

This is a cool website that shows how a virus infects a bacterial cell:
http://www.tvdsb.on.ca/Westmin/science/sbi3a1/Bacvirus/Virusrep.htm
http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/V/viral_reproduction.html


If only a small viral load exists, the persons immune system may be able to gobble them up, but if too many infiltrate, then the cells start to manufacture the imposter cells and the persons immune system is compromised.

Will chemicals kill it? You mean like antivirals? In a sense yes, but only if they are able to go into the cell and and disable the nature of the virus OR attach themselves to the virus to mask it's conformation and therefore keep it from binding to the cell in the first place.

To me the key point would be to shut down the exact enzyme that the virus (or virion) uses in order to penetrate the cell. If we create a viral.. virus, that can dismantle the mechanism that makes the virus (say in the form of a vaccine within the host cell) when it lands on the host cell and enters it.. the new particles will be genetically altered and no longer able to reproduce. If we use a chemical that neutralizes the enzyme, that would be in the form of an anti-viral.

It sounds easy, but with a virus that mutates so easily, I fear that it will find a way to overcome the disabling vaccine or during replication become immune to whatever neutralizes the enzyme.

We see this type of mutation occur with anti-biotic resistant bacteria.

Hmmmm..... I miss being in a lab sometimes...LOL... just not the smell.

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posted December 14, 2006 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
The Virus that causes HIV is very tricky and highly mutable. A virus (or virion) is like a spaceship that lands on the surface of a plant (cell). It injects it's DNA (of in the case of a retrovirus- RNA) into the cell and therefore changes what the cell manufactures via the cells DNA. For example, it is like infiltrating the Keebler tree and changing out the ingredients to make mint cookies to make pumpkin muffins instead.
BUT.. these new muffins are cleverly disguised as mint cookies, so while the quality assurance people (T-cells) are checking to make sure everything is kosher, these little dudes get by... and infiltrate More cells as they manufacture more virus particles.

That had to be the most creative desciption of RNA reto-replication and Lysis process I have ever seen Lol!

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posted December 14, 2006 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HA HA... a geek with a sense of humor no? Every now and then the Universe throws out rare science geek... that scoffs at plaid pants and traditional lab coats, drinks beer while hanging out with the bad-boy jocks and business majors (well back in college..now it is mostly a very eclectic group of peeps).... and has the ability to distinguish between Prada and Play-doh (female geeks around the world are wondering.. ummmmm.... cookware maybe?)


I have always spoken in analogies- I think because I had to tutor jocks in anatomy and physiology and then I taught the Microbiology lab classes. People get frustrated so I tried to make it fun and easy... but naked name that organ didn't go over well.

LMAO....

Thank you for the compliment though.. hee hee

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posted December 14, 2006 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah but the era of your usual "No brains All Bronze" Jock has long left us. The jock had to realize one thing very quick; Either evolve in this fast paced age of technological heiarchy (geeky stuff) or persih.

Result? The evolution process resulted in an entity known as the "Alpha Jock." Still bearing his physically endowed shell, the Alpha Jock takes great pride and pleasure in looking up the lastest news on what was usually precieved as "Dork Jargon" Lol!

There will always be convervitism on both sides; Some die hard "dorks" choose to handcuff themselves with their books where on the other hand Some brain dead Jocks would still find the "roll of quarters in your pants" line totally funny.

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posted December 14, 2006 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey... I found the roll of quarters in your pocket line funny! LMAO....

Yes, I understand. My brother is a good looking dude with a Masters degree and a total jock.. well, I should say sports extremist.

Then there is my hubby Bear- incredibly athletic, intelligent and he is social- never judges based on the cover.

I think all these planets in Saggie are causing me to be a little wacky (I'm a Sag). I just want run outside and play.

Kind of like that Mike Myers skit on SNL- when he has on a helmet and is harnessed to the monkey bars but he really just wants to break out and run..LOL...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRE32aQN9b4

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posted December 14, 2006 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, take your usual Surgeon or Specilist. Though he had to spend probably 10 yrs. of his life cramming his ass off, I don't think one would deny that ladies love doctors Lol!

Lol! @ Skit. Should I be feeling sorry for you husband then?

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posted December 14, 2006 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At first I was going to say I never dug doctors.. but actually I married one and divorced him.

Nah.. I prefer my men to be in Uniform.. well, I prefer him to be out of uniform... hee hee...

Gotta run... have a great weekend and catch up with ya on Tuesday.

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On a related note...for those who think female circumcision is permitted in Islam.

Muslim scholars rule female circumcision un-Islamic

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/muslim-scholars-rule-female-circumcision-unislamic/2006/11/24/1163871589618.html

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