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Sweet Stars
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posted January 03, 2007 02:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks For The Memories:

Short video explains the CIA's role in Saddams rise to power.

http://www.ericblumrich.com/thanks.html

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BornUnderDioscuri
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posted January 03, 2007 03:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
US giveth, US taketh away

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Sweet Stars
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posted January 03, 2007 01:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Us corrupteth

The Us has no right to giveth and taketh away.

It's not their country.


And of course only a thing (will not call you human) like you would cheer on murder.


It just shows your parents did an awful job in raising you.

They raised a beast that supports murder of all kind. And btw aren't you Russian?

You act as if you are an American founder of this country.


With those evil thoughts I doubt your spirit will ever be more spiritually evolved.


You are the same garbage as these evil people you talk so much crap about and laugh about when they get hung.


I'd spit in your face if I saw you in the street.


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posted January 03, 2007 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More blathering bullsh*it from brain dead leftists wetting themselves to blame America for Saddam....and anything else they can dream up.

This piece of trash is littered with lies....among which are the allegations the US "Armed" Saddam...not only with conventional weapons but with chemical and biological weapons and that those are the WMD Saddam used on Iranian troops and the Kurds within Iraq.

The United States did not arm Saddam with weapons systems. No US aircraft, tanks, artillery, mortars, bombs, rockets, missiles or small arms were found among the inventory of weapons and weapons systems found in Iraq or listed in any Journal..such as Jane's defence glossary...of weapons and weapons systems owned by Iraq.

Further, the United States did not supply Iraq or Saddam with weaponized biological or chemical agents.

The Center for Disease Control supplied Iraq...and nations around the world with reference samples...pure strains...of viral and other biologicals which occur naturally in the soil, water and air all over the earth. These reference samples were for medical research in the pursuit of protecting their populations against disease. Their shipment to nations around the world are a routine event.

Now comes this sh*tforbrains moron and other sh*tforbrains idiots to once again accuse the US and excuse Saddam. The CIA and United States made Saddam murder his way to power in Iraq. That's their lying story.

One other big lie in this piece of trash is that President Reagan sent, directed or encouraged Saddam to attack Iran. Not only is this sh*tforbrains moron a congenital liar, he/she isn't smart enough to even look up the dates of the Iraq/Iran war or the dates of Reagan's presidency.

The Iraq/Iran war started with the invasion of Iran by Iraq on September 22, 1980.

When Saddam attacked Iran, Reagan was not President, was not President Elect and held no position in the Federal government of the United States. The 1980 presidential election date was November 4, 1980 and Reagan did not become President until January 20, 1981.

It should be crystal clear there are a lot of sh*tforbrains morons carrying on a lying jihad against the United States and an army of sh*tforbrains idiots willing and eager to spread those lies as broadly as possible. This is only one such example.

Reasonable people must question not only the intellectual capacity but the sanity and motives of those who spread bullsh*t in their quest for jihad against the United States.

Up theirs!

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BornUnderDioscuri
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posted January 03, 2007 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You act as if you are an American founder of this country.

Here is a wittle itsy bitsy teeny weeny history fact for you: America's founding fathers were British, anddddd the first explorers are believed to be Vikings...Vikings are closely related to....wait wait wait...the Slavs (aka Russians, Ukranians, etc) If i was a founder of this country id make an IQ test manditory for entrance so that the likes of you would stay out...

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The Us has no right to giveth and taketh away.

As sad as it is might determines right...

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It just shows your parents did an awful job in raising you.

At least my parents raised me your still a savage

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With those evil thoughts I doubt your spirit will ever be more spiritually evolved.

Does that even make sense...when it comes to evolution its not your spirit that you should be worrying about

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I'd spit in your face if I saw you in the street

And Id die laughing as the cops haul you away and your unable to make two coherent sentences at your trial...

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Sweet Stars
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posted January 03, 2007 05:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where are your sources Jwhop?

Your words are not enough proof.

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Sweet Stars
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Here is a wittle itsy bitsy teeny weeny history fact for you: America's founding fathers were British, anddddd the first explorers are believed to be Vikings...Vikings are closely related to....wait wait wait...the Slavs (aka Russians, Ukranians, etc) If i was a founder of this country id make an IQ test manditory for entrance so that the likes of you would stay out...

Wow you left out the fact that the Native Americans were here first. The original founders. Looks like someone doesn't know their history

And you call yourself American.


What a joke.

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BornUnderDioscuri
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posted January 03, 2007 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And the Native Americans are descended from...Asia....wow...arent u smart...yes u r...yes u r...awww

Sadly you further prove the failure that is the American educational system...tsk tsk thats where all the money should be put in...

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posted January 03, 2007 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Brain dead doesn't even begin to cover it.

Saddam's Arsenal
Charles R. Smith
Thursday, Feb. 13, 2003
Arms From France, Russia, Germany, Belgium and China

Paris, Moscow, Berlin, Brussels and Beijing all threaten to veto any U.N. move for the United States to war with Iraq. All of these worldly members have vowed to strike a blow for peace and not challenge Saddam Hussein. However, Saddam has more than just diplomacy to thank our global allies for.

Saddam is not one to settle for second best. Thus, Saddam had to arm his nation with the best military equipment the world could offer. Saddam's quest to arm his country led him on a shopping spree in Paris, Moscow, Berlin, Brussels and Beijing.

Iraq's best jet fighter was purchased from France. The Mirage F-1 is considered to be a state of the art strike-fighter capable of launching advanced missiles. France has sold over 700 Mirage F-1 fighters to over 11 nations. Iraq is estimated to have 60 F-1 fighters in its air force inventory.

The F-1 is capable of flying over twice the speed of sound and is normally armed with air-to-air missiles and twin 30 mm cannons. However, the F-1 also has a deadly strike capability.

A Mirage F-1 was used by Iraq to launch two Exocet anti-ship missiles that struck the USS Stark before the Gulf War, killing over 40 American sailors.

During the Gulf War, France sent a squadron of advanced Mirage fighters to assist the allied forces. However, the French fighter jets were effectively removed from the fighting area because their radar emissions matched the Iraqi F-1 jets.

Thus, the allied air commanders quarantined the French jets, not allowing them to fly combat missions over Iraq, because they feared the Mirage fighters would be mistaken as Iraqi and be shot down.

Iraq attempted to strike Saudi Arabia using two of its F-1 fighters during the Gulf War. The F-1s carried modified Exocet cruise missiles intended to strike at Saudi cities. Instead, the F-1 fighters were jumped by a Saudi Air Force F-15 Eagle and shot down, the only double kill during the entire war.

The F-1 also appeared recently in a short video shown by U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell to the United Nations. The Iraqi F-1 is shown testing a biological/chemical spraying system at low altitude. The F-1 video is a telling example of Iraq's illegal biological and chemical weapons program.

The effort and money expended to develop and test a spraying system for installation on a Mach 2 jet fighter is not something done on sheer whim. The difficulty and expense of modifying the top Iraqi jet fighter to carry biological and chemical weapons indicates a certain willingness to use these weapons. It also demonstrates the desire to acquire such weapon systems despite any U.N. ban.

Saddam purchased a large number of French-made Aerospatiale and Eurocopter helicopters for his army. Both the Aerospatiale and Eurocopter systems can deploy chemical weapons.

The Iraqi army is also well-equipped with what is considered to be the best artillery weapon in the world, the French-made 155 mm howitzer. The Iraqi army used its 155 mm guns during its war with Iran to fire chemical weapons as well as a large array of conventional munitions.

Russia No. 1 in Iraq Arms

The biggest weapons supplier to Iraq is Russia. Iraq reportedly still owes Russia over $4 billion for arms purchases in the past 20 years. Obviously, if Saddam Hussein is removed from power, Russia is not likely to be paid for the past weapons sales.

The vast majority of Iraq's air force consists of Russian-made jet fighters. Iraq has nearly 200 Russian-made jet fighters including MiG-21, MiG-23, MiG-25, Sukhoi SU-22 and Sukhoi SU-25 interceptors.

The Iraqi army is equipped with hundreds of Russian artillery pieces, rocket launchers, BMP armored vehicles, T-55 and T-72 tanks and Scud missiles. Most of Iraq's chemical arsenal, estimated at around 200 tons of nerve gas and mustard gas, is fired from Russian-made weapons.

For example, Iraq recently modified a MiG-21 jet fighter to act as a radio-controlled chemical sprayer. In addition, most of Iraq's air-delivered chemical weapons deployed in its long war with Iran came from the belly of MiG-21 and MiG-23 fighter jets.

Most of the estimated 100 tons of nerve gas that remains in Saddam's arsenal is thought to be stored in Russia-made bombs designed for the MiG fighters.

In addition, U.N. inspectors recently discovered empty rocket warheads designed to deploy nerve gas. The rocket warheads in question are part of a Russian missile system sold to Iraq.

One smoking-gun photograph that Colin Powell released to the U.N. was of the Iraqi chemical weapons compound at Al-Musayyib. The photos showed the Iraqis frantically removing chemical weapons from the facility. The area was later bulldozed and the topsoil removed to clear the area of any trace of chemical weapons.

The telltale sign that Al-Musayyib is a chemical weapons facility was the presence of Russian-made chemical decontamination vehicles that arrived to assist technicians dressed in Hazmat suits. It is only logical to conclude that the Iraqis were concerned for their safety, because one does not put on a Hazmat suit in the desert for the fun of it.

German Parts in Iraqi Scuds

Saddam turned to Europe and China in order to construct his chemical weapons production facilities. German and Chinese chemical manufacturing equipment has been purchased over the years and embedded into the Iraqi commercial infrastructure. The intent was to make these facilities as civilian-looking as possible.

Israeli citizens discovered during the Gulf War that German-made electronics systems were found inside Scud missiles fired at Tel Aviv.

The German electronics allowed Iraq to modify the Scud missiles, making them more accurate, cheaper to produce and much more deadly.

Israel found that German-made electronics were the heart of the Iraqi Scud warhead fusing mechanism. The very same fusing mechanism was employed effectively by Iraq when a Scud fell on the U.S. Army barracks outside Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing 28 American soldiers and wounding over 100 others.

Brussels Home to Iraqi Super-Gun

Saddam turned to Belgium before the Gulf War in an attempt to improve his Scud missiles and to create a weapon never seen before in any military arsenal. Iraq contracted Canadian Dr. Gerald Bull to build a super-gun, using components manufactured in the U.K., Belgium, Germany and Italy. Dr. Bull's base of operations was Brussels, Belgium.

Belgian officials ignored repeated warnings from Iranian and Israeli intelligence officials that Dr. Bull was developing such a weapon for Saddam Hussein. Dr. Bull also assisted Iraq by improving the accuracy and range of its existing arsenal of Scud missiles.

Bull used weak Belgian export regulations to circumvent export bans against assisting Saddam's quest for super-weapons, trans-shipping much of the equipment for his super-gun and Scud projects through Brussels.

In the end, Bull paid for his assistance with his life. An unknown assailant assassinated him outside his Brussels apartment.

Chinese Violate U.N. Embargo

Saddam also turned to China in order to purchase the very finest in weapon systems. Iraq purchased a number of Chengdu F-7 fighter jets from Beijing and has managed to trans-ship spare parts made in China for its force of F-7 and MiG-21 fighters through illegal front companies in Jordan, Hong Kong and Singapore.

China also supplied Iraq with a large number of T-55 and T-58 tanks equipped with modern night-vision gun sights and laser range-finding systems. Somehow, the Iraqis keep these tanks in tip-top condition with an ample supply of Chinese-made spare parts.

It is well known that China sold Iraq the "Tiger Song" air defense system during the 1990s. Both Colin Powell and Condi Rice have stated that China sold Iraq its new air defense system.

The sale took place despite the fact that China also signed on to the U.N. ban on weapons sales to Iraq. NATO gave the system its name in 1998 after it was discovered to be operational in the Iraqi desert.

In 1994, German authorities seized a large shipload of ammonium perchlorate bound for Iraq. The Chinese Chemical Import-Export Corporation, a subsidiary of the People's Liberation Army, stated the chemical was bound for Baghdad as a food preservative. Anyone with half a brain knows that ammonium perchlorate is a lousy preservative but a key component in solid rocket fuel.

In 2001, the Chinese Shangdong Arts and Craft Company went to Baghdad in an effort to open trade ties between Iraq and China. Interestingly, the employees of the Shangdong Arts and Craft Company do not make art or craft supplies.

Instead, Shangdong Arts and Craft was a cover for Chinese army officers, who traveled to Baghdad in an effort to sell Saddam Hussein advanced missile technology.

If the U.S. does go to war with Iraq, one has to wonder what exactly will be found inside the secret weapons bunkers and labs of Saddam Hussein. It would certainly be no surprise if we found Saddam's most advanced weaponry had markers on it citing manufacture in France, Russia, Germany, Belgium and China.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/2/13/134858.shtml

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posted January 03, 2007 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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One smoking-gun photograph that Colin Powell released to the U.N. was of the Iraqi chemical weapons compound at Al-Musayyib. The photos showed the Iraqis frantically removing chemical weapons from the facility. The area was later bulldozed and the topsoil removed to clear the area of any trace of chemical weapons.

The telltale sign that Al-Musayyib is a chemical weapons facility was the presence of Russian-made chemical decontamination vehicles that arrived to assist technicians dressed in Hazmat suits. It is only logical to conclude that the Iraqis were concerned for their safety, because one does not put on a Hazmat suit in the desert for the fun of it


Thats okay people believe in conviniently leaving out useful information for their sake. While i was never pro Iraq war and do not believe that main reason for going to war was to destroy those weapons, i dont have a doubt that there was at least SOME chemical weapons being made there...i mean come on we know Saddam's political strategy and expansionist views...clearly nuclear weapons would be the way to go. He just miscalculated (a common mistake made in IR )

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posted January 04, 2007 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can I just say that I love the title of this thread. Sarcasm cracks me up sometimes.

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posted January 05, 2007 09:30 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
::::And of course only a thing (will not call you human) like you would cheer on murder.


It just shows your parents did an awful job in raising you.

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oh sweet , i disagree !
this is something that is completly uncalled for .
i am just makng a request !

even , i too , disagree with her political ideas but there has too be limits to criticism too .

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posted January 05, 2007 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What people know about the reasons for taking Saddam out is what they've read in the newspapers and heard on broadcast news. Both sources are controlled by the news media which focus on sensationalism. It's always going to be the most sensational thing they can say in every instance and they're the ones sifting through what has been said to find what appeals to them...or what they think will appeal to you.

Are weapons of mass destruction sexier than "Saddam reigns over the rape torture and murder of his citizens?

Are weapons of mass destruction sexier than "Saddam has failed to meet his obligations to Kuwait, release all Kuwaiti citizens captured in the war and make reparations to Kuwait?

Are weapons of mass destruction sexier than "Saddam has failed to meet his obligations to the international community under his "ceasefire agreement"?

Most certainly. Weapons capable of killing very large numbers of people are a much more sexy reason and that's virtually the only thing the press focused on, day and night.

Most never heard or saw Bush give the reasons. Most heard or saw edited sound or video clips, 5 seconds, 10 seconds..talking about WMD but not the rest of what Bush had to say. Most never read the Joint Resolution of Congress which stated the reasons...not the reason for authorizing military action to remove Saddam.

Far fewer still know the official policy of the United States has been that Saddam should be removed from power in Iraq...since the Congress passed a prior Joint Resolution of Congress in 1998 when Bill Clinton was president.

I've posted "both" Joint Resolutions of Congress here several times. Those who suggest the only reason (WMD) for going after Saddam was based on lies or faulty intelligence could cure themselves of that misconception by simply looking up the Resolutions.

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posted January 05, 2007 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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even , i too , disagree with her political ideas but there has too be limits to criticism too .

Awww thank you, I think its best when you can have an intellectual argument with someone, disagree and still remain friends. All this personal name calling is soooo unecessary thank you

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posted January 05, 2007 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Weapons of mass destruction are in fact very very sexy (Scorpio moon) LOL

And make for good pickup lines:

Dictator: Heeeey baby i got some WMDs stashed here wanna come and see

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posted January 06, 2007 08:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

oh no , i actually understand it bcos , i have been called names too , something even realted to my mom and sis, at this forum itself by some of the very respected people here (someothers , guardians of ethics supported it )
butofcourse these things dont deter me !

and yes, i wanna see it ! whats my no. ? (incase there are other people waiting inline ?

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It is horrible being called names isnt it?

Our son sometimes gets called names cos he has long hair...I asked if he wanted to get it cut and he said to me "why should I , its their problem, not mine"

Wise little soul....

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posted January 06, 2007 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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oh no , i actually understand it bcos , i have been called names too , something even realted to my mom and sis, at this forum itself by some of the very respected people here

Its very sad, especially since these people do it because of their own insecurities. I mean why should a different opinion hurt anyone, unless they fear that anyone having a diff opinion takes away from theirs. Its good that you arent detered, i personally value your opinion dearly and like SGA said thats how we all learn

Sue- wow I admire him so much! I wish i was like that when I was a child, i used to be picked on and let it get me down.

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