posted January 21, 2007 06:03 PM              

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Connecting the Dots
The dots are connecting – the Russian Mafia, KGB and government appear to be one, and if so, likely partners in mass murder with the very terrorists they've been aiding and abetting for decades, the terrorists who killed some 7,000 Americans, and who may yet kill, heaven forbid, countless more.

Keeping a Promise

We were all inspired by President Bush's nuts and bolts, power-packed approach that declared the United States will punish not only the terrorists but also the nations which harbor and sponsor terrorism. So, let's see the proof. Russia has in the past harbored, and does now harbor, terrorists and sponsor terrorism. Our intelligence community knows this. Yet the Bush administration has already enlisted Russia as an ally and is sending out signals to convince us that Russia is victimized by these same terrorists and is thus in need of our cash, our technology, our military plans.

President Bush, connect the dots and keep your promise. The Russian government is one big terrorist organization. It is not our ally. It is our enemy.

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posted January 21, 2007 07:04 PM            

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I'm just not sure why they haven't been named as "terrorists"? They're are the ones who sell weapons to anyone and anything. Perhaps they're just opportunists......

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LOL terrorists are non state actors. We sell weapons to everyone as well. while I think Russian govt is very shady, its still a relatively legitimate power.

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As long as you're "westernized" like the U.S., then the U.S. has no problem with you....do whatever the heck you want

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posted January 21, 2007 08:09 PM              

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The U.S. won't deal with Russia because they benefit from Russia as an ally, they don't care if they collaborate with Terrorist organizations like Al Qaeda...... yet they cared so much about Saddam alledgedly doing the same thing. Is there not something wrong with that picture?

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lol, the thing thats wrong with that picture is, how can Russia be an ally to America, if their dealing with Al Qaeda, the group who wants to destroy us? Enough Said.

BUD,

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Because that was propoganda. Iraq qas never officially labeled a terrorist state as far as I know. Of course they care the difference is they cant do anything about it. Going to war with Russia would be the most foolish idea ever.

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who even mentioned going to war with russia? did you just like pull that out of the hat or something, lol its hilarious, but very true, going to war with russia would cause an ultimate global nuclear winter, their loaded when it comes to WOMD (weapons of mass destruction), they have more than the U.S., and they won't use them diplomatically, aka, for fair game. You left that part out BUD, lol.

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posted January 22, 2007 06:57 PM              

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But I dont think nuclear war is an issue as much as extensive and expensive warfare.

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nuclear war is more of an issue specifically if russia continues to sell them to anyone and anything, (like Dulce was saying), extensive? well war can only last extensively if you have to ammunition (aka bombs, nuclears), and no body really cares about the price of these bombs, its the casualties of war, and the civilizations that it threatens of extincting which is more important.

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posted January 23, 2007 03:09 PM              

(no offense to russians, i actually find them quite attractive)

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posted January 23, 2007 06:58 PM            

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so does everyone agree that the russian gov't is a world terror?

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posted January 23, 2007 11:41 PM              

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Not quite because its like any other govt. To label it a terror govt is to label any govt with any power as such cuz what about Germany, France, US, Britain etc

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BUD, i'm not talking about the power, i'm referring to what Russia has done with the power, its how you do things that set the standard, not what you have.
1. they sell weapons to anyone and anything (including IRAN)
2. they have orchestrated events and collaborated and continue to do so with Al Queada (don't know how to spell that, forgive me)
3. When North Korea tested a few nuclear missles, Russia did nothing about it, and said it was 'fine'. (kim jong il is crazy, so i don't see how any sane nation or leader can say that thats 'fine'.

did you even bother reading the article that started this thread along with my referring thread called 'this is startling', i think you should, its some interesting finds.

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posted January 23, 2007 11:55 PM              

(my opinion is subjected to change if other conflicting tangible (real) evidence is found) opinions and counterviewpoints on my statements would be lovely...just post whatever you feel and think,

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posted January 23, 2007 11:55 PM            

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1. they sell weapons to anyone and anything (including IRAN)

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So does everyone else...we sold weapons to Iran...you should watch the movie Lord of War my ultime favorite. Puts a nice perspective. Most powerful nations supply weapons to everyone, usually both sides in the conflict. I believe either France or Belgium (dont quote me on this) were suppliers to the Hutus in the Rwandan genocide. Does that mean they should be labeled a terror government? I am not a fan of Russia selling weapons to Iran or anyone else for that mattter, but given free market economy anyone can sell anything to anyone with money. And since its selling to a government not a militant organization that brings up a total different box of issues.

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they have orchestrated events and collaborated and continue to do so with Al Queada

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In what sense? Al Qaeda despises Russia since they obviously fought them in Afghanistan.

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When North Korea tested a few nuclear missles, Russia did nothing about it, and said it was 'fine'. (kim jong il is crazy, so i don't see how any sane nation or leader can say that thats 'fine'.

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Well that doesnt make them a terrorist government? I mean what should they do about it...the US didnt do much about it either. In fact no one did or CAN do anything for that matter and Kim Jong Il is in fact crazy but thats how the cookie crumbles i disagree with other nations going anywhere and removing dictators they dont approve of, Russia not doing anything isnt an act of terror.

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did you even bother reading the article that started this thread along with my referring thread called 'this is startling', i think you should, its some interesting finds

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posted January 23, 2007 11:58 PM            

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i think the russian gov't has...just...cheated, their cheaters, they don't play fair, thats one of their secrets and rules, thats exactly how they got to where they are and continue to 'by their words' seemingly prosper, they cheat their way to the top

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Thats in fact how they are but many governments cheat and lie. Russians arent big on complaining about it cuz thats how it always was and prolly always will be and if its okay with them why shouldnt it be ok with us right?

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Thats in fact how they are but many governments cheat and lie. Russians arent big on complaining about it cuz thats how it always was and prolly always will be and if its okay with them why shouldnt it be ok with us right?

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No it shouldn't be, and not just because every gov't has their faults, but i'm talking about real, cold evidence like the murdering of their critics, 13 critics excluding anna politkovskaya (hope i spelled that right) were brutally exectued, and then A. Litvenyenko was killed due to the inside info he had on Politkovskaya's death, i mean theres a whole chain of brutal, heartless, things that the russians have did.

and also the kgb supposedly placed folks in concentration camps? Cia don't do sh*t like that, and i've never heard of any other european intelligence agency doing something like that (oah...well russians are more eurasian, lol), excluding hitler's binge in WWII. one year the gov't influenced a beauty pageant because it was politically correct, (meaning that the girl they chose met the credentials politcally and not according to the standards of the beauty pageant) thats not fair, thats not fair to humanity, or any of the other pageant contestants.

America's never done any'ting like that, i'm sure if they did it would hit front page like BAM,! and i'm sure if another country did it, it would be right in everyone's face, but see...russia has cloaked itself in a veil of mystery, intrigue and underlying power, which enables them to sly, slick and get away with stuff that normal industrialized countries can't, for that matter.

And, BUD, BUD, bud, i know (or i think) you have connections to russia, your ukraine? or russian or something like that, and i subconciously feel that you have sympathy for them, but the only way to help this problem is by being completely, blunt out honest,

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posted January 24, 2007 02:47 AM            

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No it shouldn't be, and not just because every gov't has their faults, but i'm talking about real, cold evidence like the murdering of their critics, 13 critics excluding anna politkovskaya (hope i spelled that right) were brutally exectued, and then A. Litvenyenko was killed due to the inside info he had on Politkovskaya's death, i mean theres a whole chain of brutal, heartless, things that the russians have did.

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LOL i disagree with this too strongly BUT this is normal there...if ur a journalist u know ur life is short...u should hear of the death if a very famous and well loved journalist Listev back in 92 or something i remember when it happened. Its what they do. Its been rooted in the culture for centuries, changing that would be changing who they are and I dont think it needs to be done. Its like taking away corporal punishment in the Middle East or the strict rule in China. It will seize being what it is and thats something i dont believe in.

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and also the kgb supposedly placed folks in concentration camps?

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Not concentration camps, they didnt kill em. Work camps in Siberia, its famous.

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one year the gov't influenced a beauty pageant because it was politically correct, (meaning that the girl they chose met the credentials politcally and not according to the standards of the beauty pageant) thats not fair, thats not fair to humanity, or any of the other pageant contestants

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Im sorry to say this and im sure many ppl will jump at me for this but MANY of the beauty contestants from almost every country are BUTT ugly and sometimes some of the most mediocre ones win because they either have connections or its sensible to let a girl from this country or that region win at a certain time. Sometimes i watch these pageants and im like DEAR GOD shes hideous how does she win and yet they do....so beauty peagants are as much a political event as anything else, anywhere.

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.russia has cloaked itself in a veil of mystery, intrigue and underlying power, which enables them to sly, slick and get away with stuff that normal industrialized countries can't, for that matter.

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Lol many countries do that. Take any country that isnt someone elses b*tch (France doesnt count cuz they are always someone elses ...LOL) and they do stuff all the time that no one knows about or hears. Freedom of speech is WONDEFUL but at certain points its stupid i.e. when i saw on TV a few weeks ago on the news the anchors saying "oh these subway lines in NYC are weak in case of a terror attack how bad" in my mind its like CAN U PUT A BIGGER BULLSEYE? In Russia such thing wouldnt be known of, they wouldnt let the ppl know any of their progress of searching for terrorists...is that bad? Maybe but lets consider they caught and killed 2 of the MAIN ones behind all the attacks in Russia in the past 12-15 years...thats like 2 Bin Laden's right there...have we? Nope not really...why? Cuz we are busy telling the public ooooh we are sending troups to Afghanistan to catch Bin Laden and guess what he has CNN too...so maybe its my Scorpio moon but keeping certain things is well expected. Now i disagree with a lot of things Russian government does, thats why Im here, BUT i certainly dont want it to change and be more American like....because then it wouldnt be Russian Federation.

Im from Ukraine but technically culturally Russian, i sympathise with ukraine way more. But believe you me I dont relate to them one bit, cuz came to this country as a refugee. But thats not the point, the point is why change it, if the people in Russia wanted change its UP TO THEM to make it happen. And i disagree when ppl say oh you cant the regime is too harsh...well the czarist regime was just as harsh and they got overthrown, in fact 99% of regimes overthrown over the world are harsh regimes with complete control and ppl do it anyways. I just dont think the rest of the world should get involved. Im consistant in my opinion of changing any country, i dont agree with changing Iraq or Afghanistan, i agree with looking for terrorists in Afghanistan though. Cuz they are in fact there... or in Pakistan now...though i hope US wont be dumb enough to try and attack Pakistan that would be silly.

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And that the Russians lobbed missiles into a Chechnyan maternity ward and open market in Grozny, killing 140. Nor will they mention the unmentionable, that the Russian government has mercilessly fought, tooth and nail, against aid for the hundreds of thousands of Chechnyan refugees – men, women and children – who have nothing to do with this conflict.

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This is the same load of BS as when u get a speech from the Iraq saying Oh us lodged a bomb into a building or Israel bombed a residential center. Its like yeaaa sh*t happens, chechnyan terrorists blew up bombs in red square and my cousin wasnt far from there. Thank God he didnt get hurt. But my opinion of Chechnyan terrorists is same as my opinion of all other terrorists, kill 'em all, whipe them out...note i said terrorists not all Chechnyans are terrorists...and screw all that oil bull crap...Chechnya is part of Russia that wanted to break off, while i think they should have let them break off (as i almost always think) on the other hand its like scrrrreewww u ppl ur part of a country get over it.

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We are already hearing about the Russian apartment complex they supposedly blew up, killing 300.

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posted January 26, 2007 07:55 PM              

i like the german, french and russian (russ. pretty distinict because it sounds like a mix of asian and european) accents, how 'bout you?

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