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neptune5
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posted February 01, 2007 06:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Anti-Americanism Is Racist Envy
Paul Johnson, 07.21.03, 12:00 AM ET

Anti-Americanism is the prevailing disease of intellectuals today. Like other diseases, it doesn't have to be logical or rational. But, like other diseases, it has a syndrome--a concurrent set of underlying symptoms that are also causes.

• First, an unadmitted contempt for democracy. The U.S. is the world's most successful democracy. The right of voters to elect more than 80,000 public officials, the length and thoroughness of electoral campaigns, the pervasiveness of the media and the almost daily reports by opinion polls ensure that government and electorate do not diverge for long and that Washington generally reflects the majority opinion in its actions.

It is this feature that intellectuals--especially in Europe--find embittering. They know they must genuflect to democracy as a system. They cannot openly admit that an entire people--especially one comprising nearly 300 million, who enjoy all the freedoms--can be mistaken. But in their hearts these intellectuals do not accept the principle of one person, one vote. They scornfully, if privately, reject the notion that a farmer in Kansas, a miner in Pennsylvania or an auto assembler in Michigan can carry as much social and moral weight as they do. In fact, they have a special derogatory word for anyone who acts on this assumption: "populist." A populist is someone who accepts the people's verdict, even--and especially--when it runs counter to the intellectual consensus (as with capital punishment, for example). In the jargon of intellectual persiflage, populism is almost as bad as fascism--indeed, it's a step toward it. Hence, the argument goes, the U.S. is not so much an "educated democracy" as it is a media-swayed and interest-group-controlled populist regime.

The truth is, on the European Continent there is little experience of working democracy. Italy and Germany have had democracy only since the late 1940s; Spain, since the 1960s. France is not a democracy; it is a republic run by bureaucratic and party elites, whose errors are dealt with by strikes, street riots and blockades instead of by votes. Elements of the French system are being imposed throughout the EU, even in countries such as Denmark and Sweden that have long practiced democracy with success. In a French-style pseudodemocracy, intellectuals have considerable influence, at both government and street levels. In a true democracy, intellectuals are no more powerful than their arguments.

• Second, anti-Americanism is a function of cultural racism. An astonishingly high proportion of European elites know very little about U.S. history or culture and even deny that they have a separate existence apart from their European roots. It is strange that those seeking to bring about a European federal state or union have at no stage sought to study the lessons Americans learned during the creation of the U.S. in the 1780s. After all, the U.S. Constitution (suitably amended) has lasted for more than 200 years, and within its framework the country has emerged as the richest and most powerful society in world history. You might think, therefore, that European elites would seek to learn something from such a successful process. Not at all: The view is that sophisticated, civilized Europe has nothing to learn from "adolescent" America. What these Euro-elites particularly abhor is the way in which the framers of the Constitution made every effort to involve the population through the process of public debates, town meetings and ratification votes--and this at a time when Europe was still governed (for the most part) by the absolute sovereigns of the ancien régime.

This cultural racism is particularly directed at the supposedly "know-nothing" President George W. Bush and his "gung ho" Texas background. The European intelligentsia gets its notion of America chiefly from Hollywood, TV soaps like Dallas and fiction. Few of them have any experience of America, outside of three or four big cities. Middle America is unexplored territory. The fact that the U.S. has proved a highly efficient crucible for melding different peoples into a human sum greater than its constituent parts is seen as a misfortune in Europe because it produces a cultural stew that lacks purity of any kind and is therefore at the mercy of commercial forces.

• Third, European elites tend to look at Americans as a subcivilized mass, whose function is to be obedient consumers in a system run by big business. The role of competition in U.S. economic life--and in every other aspect of life--is ignored, because competition is something Continental Europeans like to keep to a minimum and under careful control.

Although Americans are seen as highly materialistic consumers, they are also despised and feared for their spiritual interests, their participation in religious worship and their subscription to creeds of morality. Europeans see no inconsistency in their condemnation of the U.S. for being at one and the same time paganly unethical and morally zealous.

The truth is, any accusation that comes to hand is used without scruple by the Old World intelligentsia. Anti-Americanism is factually absurd, contradictory, racist, crude, childish, self-defeating and, at bottom, nonsensical. It is based on the powerful but irrational impulse of envy--an envy of American wealth, power, success and determination. It is an envy made all the more poisonous because of a fearful European conviction that America's strength is rising while Europe's is falling.


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posted February 01, 2007 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like this article.. if you don't mind, I will be reposting it in FFA under the war thread

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posted February 01, 2007 06:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neptune5, a very good find!

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posted February 01, 2007 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Question. How can anti-Americanism be racism when we all know that Americans come in different colors, sizes, and creeds? Its the same thing as my mother who is prejudiced against Nigerians. As wrong as it is, it is most certainly not racism....Nigerians are mostly the same race as we (Mozambiquans) are. Its more because of cultural differences.....and a little Nationalistic pride. Lets get the terminology correct, please.

Back to the subject, I think the article misses the point that most people's real gripe may be with the U.S. foreign policies or the U.S. Head of State (President Bush) and not Americans themselves. I mean come on, we're smart enough to tell the difference between what the Gov't does and what the people really think.

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posted February 01, 2007 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well racism is nowdays an all encompassing term that refers to any kind of discriminatory actions including race, ethnicity, color, nationality and etc. That being said Anti-Americanism is as much a world evil as any kind o0f prejudice and is quite prevalent all over the world.

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posted February 01, 2007 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good article Neptune5

Unlike the unmitigated dictatorial monsters leftists prefer and attempt to shield and protect, Americans vote for our office holders...at every level of government from city all the way up to federal.

So, our elected officials reflect the will of the American people..from election to election.

We see now, the consequences of the elitist attitudes in Europe. The unelected bureaucratic elite have decided to operate the European Union without the benefit of a constitution...which requires ratification of ALL European nations. But, not even in France could they get the constitution ratified by the people.

No problem, just pretend we have the authority to enforce our edicts anyway.

A few more years and those unelected socialist bureaucrats are going to be telling Europeans not only what they can and cannot do, what they can and cannot say, what they can and cannot eat, what they can and cannot read, what operation they can and cannot have but what they can and cannot think.

Welcome to the socialist gulag. We're not going there.

I give Europe 15 years before there's another war or a revolution. When it happens, don't call us.

Oh, that 15 year grace period is provisional. It's provided Europeans don't surrender to the radical Islamic masses within their midst first and from what I've seen, it's in no way a sure thing Europeans won't do just that.

How odd Europeans hold such elitist views visa vie America and Americans. From where I sit, there's nothing at all to feel superior about coming out of Old Europe.

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posted February 01, 2007 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, the term needs to be defined because that is incorrect. Its like when people say hispanic is a race ( and that is wrong too) when it is really a culture. American is not a race. Black Americans and White Americans do not belong to the same racial classification anymore than Black Hispanics and white Hispanics do.

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posted February 01, 2007 07:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure pid, I don't mind, do your thing!

oh and dulce, i don't think their really referring to it like we would think of it. The racism your talking about and thinking of is racism between ethnicities, but theres global racism, which is all encompasing racist attitudes towards different cultures. A more broader view of a racism:

Racism - Ethnicities (White, Black, Chinese, Hispanic, Latina)

Racism - Culture - American, European, Asian,

(yea its harder to understand since america is such a melting pot, but we still have to understand that its a melting pot, and when a nation is a melting pot other countries don't relate to it, but can join it at their choice, thats were we get:

ItalianAmericans
LatinoAmericans (spanish)
germanamericans
koreanamericans
african-americans

so technically when your ethnicity has got the suffix of -american, then your "american". In a broader sense american is a race, if you think about it in an English Derivative Term (the english language),

the prefix (italian, polish, african) of United states ethnicities vary wide and large but the suffix, the root is how your regarded throughout the world.

I hope that makes sense.

thanks guys for liking the article, i thought it was interesting when the mentioned that France was a republic and was ruled by a beureaucratic and party elite, why isn't it a democracy?

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Question. How can anti-Americanism be racism when we all know that Americans come in different colors, sizes, and creeds? Its the same thing as my mother who is prejudiced against Nigerians. As wrong as it is, it is most certainly not racism....Nigerians are mostly the same race as we (Mozambiquans) are. Its more because of cultural differences.....and a little Nationalistic pride. Lets get the terminology correct, please


And also dulce, if you have such a problem with this article and accepting its prespective, then i'd like to suggest that a much more productive proposition would be to address the author of this opinion, 'cause it really isn't anyone whose posted here, and it certainly isn't me.

i think his name was paul johnson, yea go talk to him. good luck contacting him.

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posted February 01, 2007 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The racism your talking about and thinking of is racism between ethnicities, but theres global racism, which is all encompasing racist attitudes towards different cultures.


Yeah, and that's an anti-nationalistic attitude...not a racist one. Again, lets get the terminology correct.

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posted February 01, 2007 07:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm gald your letting us know, and i do see the error in the article, but this is from a different prespective, do some research on paul johnson to maybe consider and see where he's coming from, or just go and talk to him. lol

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posted February 01, 2007 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Race is very hard to define. For example Indians (from India not native americans) and white europeans are considered the same race called Caucasian, while Native Americans and Chinese are of Mongoloid race.

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LatinoAmericans (spanish)


You mean both Hispanics or Spanish. Someone being Spanish would be a Spaniard from Spain. or someone with full Spanish blood.

So they would be a Spanish American or a Hispanic American. Or a Colombian America, Venezuelan American if you want to get more specific.


Many Hispanics carry Spanish, or African/Indegenous blood.


I know because well I am Hispanic!

Just like Portugal and Brazil.


You can't go to Portugal and call the people Brazilian's just because of the language.


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posted February 02, 2007 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You can't go to Portugal and call the people Brazilian's just because of the language.

Oh, I know what you're getting at. Calling a Latino Spanish would be the same as calling a Brazilian Portuguese. Too bad its done over here in Rhode Island (Calling Brazilians and others Portuguese) alot...and we;ve gotten used to it.


I know, its like common logic. Lumping all Americans (or even Hispanics) together as a race is the same thing as lumping the Portuguese, the CapeVerdians, the Brasilians, Angolans,Mozambiquans (*cheers*),etc all into the same racial category just because we all share a common language/culture. Its just absurd when you think about it.

Race, nationality, and ethnicity are not the same things. Back at home, tribal ethnicities overlap the political borders. I have distant cousins from a completely different country.
And the of course, we know that in today's world as a result of the Diaspora, not all blacks share the same ethnicity...hence the Afro-Americans, Black Hispanics, the Afro-Brazilians, and even in Africa there are thousands of different ethnic backgrounds if you go by tribe but to make it short and sweet, people go by regions and dialects (Hence the North Africans, The West Africans...and the Bantus who descended from them, and then we continue onto East Africa.

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It's a universal (human) phenomenon. Those who have power, are hell-bent on keeping it. Of course the old world European elitists dislike democracy and what it represents. But what does joe public think of it?

.....Did these wankers learn nothing from the 17th Century's French Revolution?

PS: Regarding the debate over the correct or incorrect usage of the term Racist....I think, technically, the term might be Nationalist- But that does not carry the despicable sentiment that the author needs to convey. The word Racist gives an instant impression of indiscriminate hatred for all members of any given group. No other word packs the same punch, IMO.

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posted February 02, 2007 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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....I think, technically, the term might be Nationalist- But that does not carry the despicable sentiment that the author needs to convey. The word Racist gives an instant impression of indiscriminate hatred for all members of any given group

And all the reason more why it is wrong for him to use the term racist. The whole thing is cultural. Newsflash: America isn't the only one who gets hated on for those reasons....this happens at home too with rivalries between different ethnic groups and nations. Its a Nationalistic pride thing....take it with a grain of salt instead of b#tching and complaining.

(On a side note, if there was the threat of "genocide" happening to you guys, and I even put that in quotations for a reason, then you should be concerned but given your dominance as a HUGE world power....even THAT is highly unlikely)

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Actually Id have to disagree with that (original article) post.

I think a lot of Anti Americanism is anti-american-govt policies. That has led to the rise of Anti-American sentiment in the past few years for instance. And that sentiment of course rises from resentment and anger over the foreign policy.

Anti-Americanism at large (like negative stereotypes of Americans culturally and as a people), are only as 'racist' as the stereotypes that Americans, or anyone else has, for any other 'race' or national group. For instance, many Europeans feel Americans are rude and illmannered, while Americans may feel for instance, that the French are unfriendly, the British snobbish, the Africans (at large) illiterate and poor, and so on. Its not racist as in permeated with hatred, but only a misconception.


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Also BUD i would have to disagree that races are not so clear. Theyre the only clear thing over the course of history. Look at how unified the Jewish race (nation) has stayed throughout the years while they have drifted between countries. Countries have come and gone, unified, broken, but races stay for centuries and centuries.

Whereas verifying a person's nationality can be difficult (everyone is one fourth or one eighth something or the other) a simple DNA test can tell you your racial heritage. Its one of the only clear markers of identity that is transcendent over history.

In the east and middle east, people are very aware of their race. In europe the awareness begins to wane as people place more emphasis on their place of birth or environment that they are raised in (such as America, a melting pot for instance) and fail to identify with one race in particular.

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posted February 02, 2007 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anti-Americanism maybe originally a political issue but it has become to the point that you cant say you even visited America in Eastern Europe. The fact that i visit Ukraine and have to lie by saying im a visitor from Russia says alot.

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Its not racist as in permeated with hatred, but only a misconception.

Given what you mentioned yes, but im talking about Anti American slogans graffitied all over Europe that have nothing to do with American tourists being rude.

The reason why I say is not clear is evident as you made the mistake of calling Jews a race. There are only 3 races (anthropologically) known to man : Negroid, Caucasian and Mongoloid. Jews are at most an ethnicity kinda like Hindus. Hinduism is a non proselytizing religion that isnt big on converts just like Judaism and has a strict rules of who is acceptable and who isnt (i have many many Hindu friends). In fact there are quite some similarities there. But one wouldnt call Hindus a race.

Furthermore the Jews are not unified by any means of the word. If they were I wouldnt be a blue eyed blonde and neither would my mom and quite some of my family. The original Jews had semitic (ie middle eastern) features , most of the Ashkenazi (European) jews I know do not share those features, even though they do show up here and there. 50% of Jewish youth intermarries with other religions to the point that its causing a panic. So no they havnt been unified by a mile. (consider that as many Jews live in the US as in Israel).

While races do stay the same i meant to say they are hard to define by looking at someone for example.

"The most widely used human racial categories are based on visible traits (especially skin color, facial features and hair texture), genes, and self-identification. Conceptions of race, as well as specific racial groupings, vary by culture and over time, and are often controversial, for scientific reasons as well as because of their impact on social identity and identity politics. Some scientists regard race as a social construct while others maintain it has genetic basis."

"Scientific support for the Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid terminology of racial classification has fallen somewhat over the past century. These terms originally denoted skull types and sprang from the technique known as craniofacial anthropometry, but have fallen somewhat in scientific use over the past century. The terms appear in two main usages today. They are used in forensic anthropology, and they are used in several fields as euphemisms for terms that came to be seen as offensive by some about thirty years ago. In the past, they were more widely used in craniofacial anthropometry in phylogeography."

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posted February 03, 2007 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmmm, I don't know who to go with on the issue of the "Jewish race"......sorry guys Although I never thought it was a race, Just a religion that happens to be very tied into their way of life...almost like a culture....but not quite. (I had a friend that's Jewish and also Portuguese who also followed many of the same customs that those in the Portuguese speaking world...as well as his own Jewish ones) The original Jews were Semitic but now they can be anything....LOL.

Although I have one quetion: if Jewish technically isn't a race anymore then what's with that genetic disease called Taysach's...I can't even spell it, sorry! Is it specifically set to one particular group of Jews (like say Eastern European ones) or the all of them?

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Back to the terminology, and the usage of the word Racist:
The author is intentionally misusing the word. It's a social commentary, and he's making a point. You're missing it.

And I think many Americans DO feel like they're despised internationally, simply because they're American. That is their perception, and that is how they feel. You cannot tell a person their feelings are wrong. Feelings don't listen to hair-splitting logic.

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posted February 03, 2007 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It would be wrong, but Americans do the same things all the time....(yes, they hate on the Europeans...and they stereotype a bunch of other different ethnic groups too). It goes both ways. Anyways, most of that back and forth thing between America and Europe is usually all in jest.

And besides, its like I said before (And SGA did. *kudos* ), most people's real gripe is with the American foreign policy...that's why alot of foreign nations resent the American Government...its not really by accident you know.

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No DL, your problem, Europe's problem and European's problem is that they don't understand they have absolutely no say and no vote in the means or methods the US decides to use in defense of the United States or defense of American citizens lives.

In the case of Afghanistan, the Taliban tortured, murdered and oppressed Afghani citizens. Only 2 governments in the world recognized the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan...Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

The UN was established to deal with rogue governments and utterly failed to do so over many years. The result was the Taliban sheltered al-Qaeda and permitted them to launch attacks on the US hatched in Taliban controlled Afghanistan.

In the case of Iraq/Saddam, the UN first made a ceasefire with Saddam after his army was rooted out of Kuwait. That ceasefire had provisions Saddam was obligated to live up to and Saddam utterly failed to do so.

Over the next 12 years, 16 further UN Resolutions demanding Saddam live up to his ceasefire agreement came to nothing.

The UN, at all times had authority to act and utterly failed to do so...and if the coalition had not acted, Saddam would still be in power in Iraq breaking every provision of his ceasefire agreement.

Saddam was a threat to the US, was a threat to his neighbors and was a weapon of terror against his own people.

So, Europe and Europeans can go suck an egg. The only European nations who got it right were those which joined the coalition to remove Saddam.

Some of the other European nations were in the hip pocket of Saddam and their government officials...among others were being bribed with Oil for Food Money...by Saddam. It will be interesting to see all those...including those in the European Press...those who shape public opinion...who were being bribed and also interesting to see how much of that money intended to feed, clothe and provide medicine for Iraqi citizens found it's way into the pockets of communist antiwar protest groups.

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Taysachs comes from years of marrying pretty much in same community that is so small. It doesnt have to be from a race, such diseases could be common in any population that is close nit. I.E. Hemophelia among European royalty. Since (dont quote me on this) such diseases need both parents to be carriers (i.e. they are recessive). Thus when both parents come from the same community they are more likely to be carriers. Its one of those genetic diseases that try to weed out constant interbreeding. Its a lot more common (one in 25) in Ashkenazi (European) jews than in Shephardic (middle eastern - 1 in 250).

Taysachs is prevalent in all Jewish communities at different degree. But some have also found it to be apparant (rare but does show) in some Irish communities. So its not like its a specifically Jewish disease just comes from the fact that Jews try to keep it in the community so much and there is so little of them. In Eastern Europe in the old days (ie like 100 years ago) it wasnt unspeakeable to marry your cousins (usually not first though) to avoid marrying non Jews.

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It would be wrong, but Americans do the same things all the time....(

Maybe so but its a lot more common to get attacked in Europe because you are American (physically) than in America because you are European. Stereotypes go both ways, the violence is a lot more one sided and a lot more wide spread. While Middle Easterners can assume similar treatement in US as Americans in the MIddle East, Eastern Europeans in America are a lot more safe than Americans in Eastern Europe...

I understand that it is because of government policy BUT I find it unfair that people who may have nothing to do with government policy and may as well disagree with it could just as easily get beat up on the streets of some other nation as if they do.

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Oh, ok... so basically, it showed up in the community for the same reason Hemophilia showed up in Victoria's royal family. Thanks for clearing that up for me, BUD.

And yes, let me clear it up that I'm not for anyone getting attacked anywhere, whether Arab, American, African,etc. I don't condone those type of hate crimes. Its just that the article is speaking of this so called "racism" that actually goes both ways. If they want to start complaining, they should correct their own behavior first.

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No DL, your problem, Europe's problem and European's problem is that they don't understand they have absolutely no say and no vote in the means or methods the US decides to use in defense of the United States or defense of American citizens lives.

Umm so much for your assumptions...I am not European nor have I ever lived in Europe. Try like 3 hours away from New York City.

And as for my home country of Mozambique, it is a republic....so much for them not having the same "rights" and "freedoms" as Americans, right?

My problem is with the US gov't's screwed up version of a foreign policy and therefore the idea that they think they can boss the rest of the world around however they want....that is all. If the US gov't didn't stick their noses into the rest of the world's business whenever they felt like it and tried to make (or rather force) them to follow The US and the West as the upstanding examples of a perfect nation (yeah right) ...there would be no resentment,period.

(BTW, this doesn't include the U.S' trade industry...that I have no problem with, it is irrelevent to me. They need the World and the world needs them for certain resources, there is no question about that. Its the business of meddling in other affairs because supposedly they're a threat to the US and afterwards claiming that they were "liberating the people". Basically, the hypocricy.)

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