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peace
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posted April 17, 2007 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My prayers go out them.

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Eleanore
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posted April 17, 2007 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just found out about this. How devastating!

Prayers for the victims and their loved ones.

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BlueRoamer
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posted April 17, 2007 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My heart goes out to their families, offering them some love and compassion.


I hope this leads to some anti-gun legislation.

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BlueRoamer
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posted April 17, 2007 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He wasn't even an American citizen!!

Why are resident aliens allowed to purchase guns? What purpose does that serve, are resident aliens going to protect us from the British quartering soldiers in our homes? I mean come ON...What is wrong with this country?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3048108&page=1

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alchemiest
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posted April 17, 2007 05:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually resident aliens are allowed to be in the army, so I guess they can protect us against invaders, so on, so forth. Sickos are sickos; whether he was a citizen or not does not enter into it. He was one twisted man. I really hope that universities start being more careful about monitoring their students and taking more measures to make sure than potential problem people like this guy are not allowed to cause such destruction and pain.

My thoughts are with the victims and their families

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Dulce Luna
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posted April 17, 2007 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Why are resident aliens allowed to purchase guns?

Ummm, for the same reason that citizens are allowed to......for protection. Not all resident aliens run around shooting up schools; atleast no one in my family (alien or citizen) does that.

Anyways, what a Tragedy that whole thing turned out to be. Love and Light to those at Virginia Tech and the families affected.

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Isis
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posted April 17, 2007 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unfortunately, unless we live in a Police State, there's no way to completely ensure these kinds of things don't happen.

Guns have been part of our culture since it's inception, and I'm not aware of any rampages like this in schools and universities over the course of our history, so it seems to be a more recent phenomenon.

I think his nationality shouldn't be an issue. And if he's a resident alien, then he's not illegal and he has the same rights as a citizen (ie; the right to bear arms - or do I completely misunderstand what rights legal non-citizen residents have?).

VT

Edited to add: Was just thinking about what the media would be saying if he was an arab...I guess nationality does come into it :\

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posted April 17, 2007 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not really an issue of nationality.

I have no problem with resident aliens being in the military.

But I don't think the constitution should be extended to include gun purchasing rights for these people. Anything to curb the ability to purchase guns. This doesnt' have to do with discrimination, it has to do with limiting the number of people who can buy guns.

Does anyone want to cite evidence showing that guns saved/protected more lives than took lives?

There's really very little evidence to show that guns save lives, most of the evidence is quite to contrary. Additionally, the constitution was written during a much different time historically. I think the fact the occurence of these events is increasing is an indication that our society has changed, and as a result, the laws need to change.

Alchemist, addressing your statement that school should more closely monitor students. Moniotoring millions of students is virtually impossible. How can they keep tabs on every single person? The problem here is not with keep watch on people, the problem is not with security, the problem is that IT IS TOO EASY TO PURCHASE EXTREMELY DEADLY WEAPONS, WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. People don't need a 9 millimiter GLOCK to defend themselves.

If someone wants to go buy a gun and shoot a bunch of people there is virtually NOTHING anyone can do to stop them.

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posted April 17, 2007 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it true that it's illegal to own guns in the U.K. Particularly England?.

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Mannu
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posted April 17, 2007 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sad news

But whats wrong with resident aliens having gun? Don't they own huge property where intruders are a threat to them ?


I think guns must be banned for age 21 and below. Or some other age cap.

More strict gun issue policy should be enforced.


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BlueRoamer
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posted April 17, 2007 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why does it follow that a gun is the only way to protect yourself?

There are other methods of self protection that are much safer for one's family. Dogs, alarm systems, pepper spray, knives, crossbows, katanas, nunchunks, fists of fury, etc.

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AcousticGod
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posted April 17, 2007 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been thinking about this, and my best solution is to start training volunteer student security forces - at least at the college level (perhaps teacher security forces could work for high schools).

If I were President of a University I'd start recruiting, doing background checks, setting up multiple armories, buying safety equipment, non-lethal weapons and diversionary devices. I think a properly trained crew, even without lethal weapons, could take out these crazies faster than a traditional school security response. While some people might think that a lethal response would be more appropriate, I think it would be great to grab these guys alive and force them to account for their actions --take away the easy escape route. I think it's more a more threatening outcome for the prepetrator to consider.

If I were a student right now, I think I'd be tempted to consider my self-defense options.

Like this: http://www.pimall.com/nais/taserm18.html
or this: http://www.pepperball.com/uploads/products/PTILESA10NXQ405.pdf

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BlueRoamer
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posted April 18, 2007 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree AG, that does sound like a good idea, and they probably would have taken him out faster. But I still don't think its ok to blame the school pres, the parents are asking him to stand down. It's not really his fault, this could have happened at any university, people just weren't ready for something like this.

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AcousticGod
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posted April 18, 2007 12:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh really? I hadn't heard about that when I wrote my post. I wouldn't be inclined to blame him either. How could any person anticipate that that would happen?

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kate_julia
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posted April 18, 2007 01:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Im from AUstralia it makes me very sad to hear when these things happen in America. Over here the AMerican reporters are focusing alot on 'who to blame' - the teachers, the fact that students weren't notified sooner etc.... I find this very ignorant and narrow minded.

I am sure that the people who were there were doing everything that they could that they thought would be in the best interests of the students.

When things like this happen you cannot go around blaming people. This is a tradgedy that links with much bigger social issues than 'who wasnt doing their job properly'.

Sending my love from ausralia...
kate.

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AcousticGod
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posted April 18, 2007 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The way the guy was moving around campus made it confusing for law enforcement to realize what was actually going on. It seems like it would be difficult to put a plan into action when you don't really know what's happening.

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Mannu
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posted April 18, 2007 03:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Appears to me its one of those peer group pressure thing.

The guy Cho was totally isolated socially.

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