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lalalinda
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posted April 21, 2007 04:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Remember Lee Iacocca?
Here's an excerpt from his book
http://www.bordersstores.com/features/feature.jsp?file=wherehavealltheleadersgone&reddit=lee

I
Had Enough?

Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We've got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, "Stay the course."

Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned Titanic. I'll give you a sound bite: Throw the bums out!

You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore. The President of the United States is given a free pass to ignore the Constitution, tap our phones, and lead us to war on a pack of lies. Congress responds to record deficits by passing a huge tax cut for the wealthy (thanks, but I don't need it). The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs. While we're fiddling in Iraq, the Middle East is burning and nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving pom-poms instead of asking hard questions. That's not the promise of America my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I've had enough. How about you?

I'll go a step further. You can't call yourself a patriot if you're not outraged. This is a fight I'm ready and willing to have.

My friends tell me to calm down. They say, "Lee, you're eighty-two years old. Leave the rage to the young people." I'd love to—as soon as I can pry them away from their iPods for five seconds and get them to pay attention. I'm going to speak up because it's my patriotic duty. I think people will listen to me. They say I have a reputation as a straight shooter. So I'll tell you how I see it, and it's not pretty, but at least it's real. I'm hoping to strike a nerve in those young folks who say they don't vote because they don't trust politicians to represent their interests. Hey, America, wake up. These guys work for us.

Jwhop

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nattie33
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posted April 21, 2007 10:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's a link that might interest you.www.lewrockwell.com

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nattie33
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posted April 21, 2007 10:38 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
www.lewrockwell.com

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naiad
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posted April 21, 2007 11:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

excellent.

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lotusheartone
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posted April 21, 2007 11:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've had this question, for a long time....

what would have happened, if we did not go to war, after the terrorists???

would 9/11, have become a normal occurence???

this paints, only one-side, and does not
give the big picture, in my opinion

LOve to ALL. ...

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BlueRoamer
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posted April 23, 2007 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lala.....I thought you were conservative, clearly I was wrong. Funny how we all make assumptions sometimes.


I vote and have protested. But I almost feel that protesting does absolutely nothing, except give America a public image of tolerance and openess. Hey look world, we may be an imperialist power, exploiting our innocent youth to line the pockets of oil/war fatcats, but look we tolerate protestors, we're so evovled!

I don't know what I'm supposed to do. I feel outraged every single day. What am I supposed to do? A girl from my high school was pulled out of class by the secret service because she had an anti-Bush myspace page. All you can do is vote, and I question the legitimacy of our elections. I greatly question it, especially that 2000 Florida fiasco. Something wasn't right there.

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TINK
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posted April 24, 2007 03:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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A girl from my high school was pulled out of class by the secret service because she had an anti-Bush myspace page.


Really? Tell us more.

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TINK
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posted April 24, 2007 03:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For Lee. Short, sweet and to the point. Previous generations had a charming ability to cut through the sh!t. It's a lost art, I think.

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BlueRoamer
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posted April 24, 2007 03:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I don't go there anymore TINK

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Eleanore
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posted April 24, 2007 04:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
U.S. agents question teen: Girl ran anti-Bush page on MySpace

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Marc Parent / Sacramento Bee | October 14 2006

Julia Wilson, 14, got a surprise visit from two Secret Service agents Wednesday at McClatchy High after the words "Kill Bush" appeared on MySpace.com. Her mom, Kirstie Wilson, says she should have been present when her daughter was questioned. Sacramento Bee/Hector Amezcua

The latest Sacramento resident to be questioned by federal agents in possible threats against President Bush is a 14-year-old girl with a heart on her backpack and braces on her teeth, a freckle-nosed adolescent who is passionate about liberal politics and cute movie stars.

Her name is Julia Wilson, and she learned a vivid civics lesson Wednesday when two Secret Service agents pulled her out of biology class at McClatchy High School to ask about comments and images she posted on MySpace.

Beneath the words "Kill Bush," Julia posted a cartoonish photo-collage of a knife stabbing the hand of the president. It was one of a few images Julia said she used to decorate an anti-Bush Web page she moderated on MySpace, the social networking Web site that is hugely popular among teenagers.

The Secret Service refused to answer questions about the case or even confirm an investigation. Eric Zahren, a Secret Service spokesman, said the agency does not discuss its work "due to the sensitivity of our mission."

But Julia's mother, Kirstie Wilson, and an assistant principal at McClatchy High said two agents showed them badges stating they were with the Secret Service and the Department of Homeland Security.

Federal law prohibits making serious threats against the president, and Julia and her parents say what she did was wrong.

The couple are disturbed, however, that federal agents questioned a child at school -- without her parents present. And First Amendment lawyers question whether the Secret Service over-reacted to a 14-year-old's comments on a Web site made for casual socializing.

"I don't condone what she did, but it seems a little over the top to me," said Julia's father, Jim Moose. "You'd think they could look at the situation and determine that she's not a credible threat."

Earlier this month, federal officials arrested two Sacramento-area men for allegedly threatening the president. Elk Grove resident Michael Lee Braun has been charged with sending two threatening letters to the El Dorado Hills country club where Bush recently made an appearance. Rocklin resident Howard J. Kinsey is accused of threatening the president through a text message.

Here is how Julia Wilson's family tells their story:

Two Secret Service agents arrived at their Land Park home about 2:30 Wednesday afternoon, Kirstie Wilson said. They told her they wanted to speak with her daughter about threats to the president that she had posted on MySpace.

"She was in molecular biology, and I said I really didn't want to take her out of class for this," Kirstie Wilson said. "I said I'd make sure she came right home from school."

She asked the agents to come back in an hour, and they left.

Then Wilson sent her daughter a text message instructing her to come straight home from school.

"... there are two men from the secret service that want to talk with you. Apparently you made some death threats against president bush. Dont worry youre not going to jail or anything like that but they take these things very seriously these days," Kirstie Wilson wrote.

"Are you serious!?!? omg. Am I in a lot of trouble"? her daughter replied, using common teenage shorthand for "Oh, my God."

Kirstie Wilson called her husband. While they were on the phone, she received another text message from her daughter: "They took me out of class."

It was a 15- to 20-minute interview, Julia said. Agents asked her about her father's job, her e-mail address, and her Social Security number. They asked about the MySpace page she had created last year as an eighth-grader at Sutter Middle School.

"I told them I just really don't agree with Bush's politics," Julia said Thursday. "I don't have any plans of harming Bush in any way. I'm very peaceful; I just don't like Bush."

The MySpace page under question was a group page, similar to an online club.

Most of the groups Julia is a part of are fan clubs for movie stars like Jake Gyllenhaal and Ewan McGregor. The group that got her in trouble was called something like "People who want to stab Bush" -- Julia said she doesn't remember the exact name because she soon changed it.

After an eighth-grade history lesson in which she learned that threatening the president is against the law, Julia said she changed the group name to "So Bush is an idiot but hey what else is new?"

The group primarily consisted of her teenage friends who share her liberal political interests, Julia said. She deleted the group page over the summer when she decided that MySpace was juvenile and taking up too much time.

Moose and Wilson say they had no idea what their daughter had posted online.

"I was more than happy to have them talk to her about the severity of what she did. But I wanted to be here with her," Kirstie Wilson said.

McClatchy Assistant Principal Paul Belluomini said he usually does not notify parents when law enforcement officials come to school to interview students.

"Parents usually interfere with an investigation, so we usually don't notify them until it's done," he said.

Sacramento City Unified School District policy calls for parents to be notified but doesn't say whether it should happen before or after a student is interviewed. State law doesn't require parental notification.

In any case, said Ann Brick, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union of Northern California, Julia Wilson's post did not sound like a "true threat" to the president, making it political speech that is protected by the First Amendment.

"The courts have to distinguish between political rhetoric and hyperbole and a real threat," Brick said. "A reasonable person would have to interpret what was said as indication of a serious intent to commit harm."

Peter Scheer, executive director of the California First Amendment Coalition, said in the current political climate, "the threshold that brings (agents) in has gotten lower."

"It's a cautionary tale for kids who are on MySpace that putting something on MySpace like 'Kill the President' is not the same as saying it on e-mail or over the phone," Scheer said. "The government is not systematically listening to all phone calls or going through e-mails, but it probably does search the Internet."

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/141006_myspace_bush.html


Is this the story you're talking about, BlueRoamer?

If the source is questionable to anyone, well, sorry. Don't have much time, atm and that was the first article that popped up.

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naiad
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posted April 24, 2007 02:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Blue Roamer ~

there is an entire cadre of 'true' conservatives who have similar feelings about this gwb administration. it does not follow the tenets of what traditionally is condsidered conservatism.

i would imagine that at one time Mr. Iacocca would have been a poster boy of the conservative bastion. it is rather confusing these days, when such terminology is being turned upside down, and liberal and conservative, left and right, switch issues and labels are reversed. it's like a rorschach test...kind of. the ink blots make mirror, yet opposite, images of each other, and we're expected to interpret it...how? what is the standard?

i dunno.

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pidaua
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posted April 24, 2007 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iacocca has never been seen by the conservative party as a conservative. He freely admits that be backs and has backed mostly liberals although he said in an intervie with Cavuto on Fox News that two of his four favorite presidents were conservative- Reagan and Bush Sr. He financially endorsed Clinton and Carter. Just because someone is knee deep in Capitalism does not mean they are conservative.

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posted April 24, 2007 05:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes...he understands that the differences are meaningless. he's smarter than most in this respect. it's actually rather funny, to see those who demand radical adherence to labels, then try to justify unorthodox beliefs.

Iacocca ~

Politically, Iacocca supported the successful Republican candidate George W. Bush in the 2000 presidential election. In the 2004 presidential election, however, he endorsed Bush's unsuccessful opponent, Democrat John Kerry[6]. Most recently, in Michigan's 2006 Gubernatorial race, Iacocca appeared in televised political ads endorsing Republican candidate Dick DeVos.[7]

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posted April 24, 2007 05:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
interesting man...

Following the death of Iacocca's wife from diabetes, he has become an active supporter of research to find a cure for the disease, and has been one of the main patrons of the innovative diabetes research of Denise Faustman at Massachusetts General Hospital. In 2000, Iacocca founded Olivio Premium Products, which manufactures the Olivio line of food products made from olive oil. He donates all profits from the company to diabetes research. In 2004, Iacocca launched Join Lee Now[8], a national grassroots campaign that will bring Faustman's research to human clinical trials in 2006.

Iacocca has been an advocate of "Nourish the Children", an initiative of Nu Skin Enterprises[9], since its inception in 2002. He is currently its chairman. He takes an active interest in the initiative and helped to donate a generator for the Malawi, Africa VitaMeal plant.

from wikipedia

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Iacocca talked Reagan into loaning the money to bail out Chrysler Corp. in the 1980's when he took over as Chairman of the Board. He told Reagan he would pay back the loan in a year and he did!!!

He's one of my heroes.

Now Chrysler is in trouble again after the Germans took over and where are the leaders now? Grabbing all the money they can out of it and bailing out on the company. That's what CEO's do these days. They run companies into the ground and bail out. For their own gain they are selling America out to foreign investors piece by piece.

I can fully understand why Iacocca is furious all around.

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lalalinda
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posted April 25, 2007 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
here's the last paragraph of this excerpt

Had Enough?

Hey, I'm not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here. I'm trying to light a fire. I'm speaking out because I have hope. I believe in America. In my lifetime I've had the privilege of living through some of America's greatest moments. I've also experienced some of our worst crises—the Great Depression, World War II, the Korean War, the Kennedy assassination, the Vietnam War, the 1970s oil crisis, and the struggles of recent years culminating with 9/11. If I've learned one thing, it's this: You don't get anywhere by standing on the sidelines waiting for somebody else to take action. Whether it's building a better car or building a better future for our children, we all have a role to play. That's the challenge I'm raising in this book. It's a call to action for people who, like me, believe in America. It's not too late, but it's getting pretty close. So let's shake off the horseshit and go to work. Let's tell 'em all we've had enough.

Jwhop


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Just something to mention. I went to work for Chrysler Corp. just after Lee took over. It was great to see them make that comeback after near bankruptcy. I don't work there now but our CEO is good friends with him. Our CEO recently hosted a party for Lee and there are pictures of him in our bldg. with several of our VP's and directors. Lee looks pretty good in the pictures. A lot of people here are still Lee fans. I assumed he was republican but I guess I am wrong on that one. Maybe he can help Chrysler out again.
So Mirandee i can back you up on your post 100%. Its totally accurate.

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in response to the title of this thread:


I am here!

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Welcome to my blog The Rechargehouse!

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posted May 03, 2007 02:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon, there is a picture on my company's website. Well there are many pics but this one in particular has two guys and one of them looks exactly like you. Maybe i can just copy the pic and post it. Hang on, ill try.

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posted May 03, 2007 02:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok well i went back and looked at it. Not exactly like you but a similar look. I cant get it, its a rolling pic thing. But just know that you were thought of today.

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Ok well i went back and looked at it. Not exactly like you but a similar look. I cant get it, its a rolling pic thing. But just know that you were thought of today.

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White House threatens to veto hate-crimes bill

POSTED: 8:56 p.m. EDT, May 3, 2007
Story Highlights
• Bill expands hate-crime laws to include sexual orientation, gender-based attacks
• White House says state and local law already cover such crimes
• Critics of bill say it would have chilling effect on clergy
• Supporters point out bill applies only to violent crime
From Carol Costello
CNN Washington Bureau
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The White House has threatened to veto a bill passed by the House of Representatives on Thursday that expands hate-crime laws to include attacks based on sexual orientation or gender.

Under current law, hate crimes are subject to federal prosecution only if the acts of violence are motivated by race, religion, color or national origin. Federal prosecutors get involved only if the victim is engaged in a federally protected activity, such as voting or participating in interstate commerce.

The White House says there is no need for the expanded bill because state and local laws already cover the crimes it addresses, and there is no need for federal enforcement.

In addition to allowing greater leeway for federal law enforcement authorities to investigate hate crimes, the House bill -- which was passed on a 237-180 vote --provides $10 million over the next two years to aid local prosecutions.

A similar bill has been introduced in the Senate, but no date has been set for a vote.
Addressing freedom of speech

Critics of the bill say it would have a chilling effect on clergy who preach against homosexual behavior.

"We believe that this legislation will criminalize our freedom of speech and our ability to preach the gospel," said Bishop Harry Jackson of Hope Christian Church in Lanham, Maryland.

Supporters disagree. The bill, they say, applies only to violent crime and, in fact, specifically addresses freedom-of-speech issues.

"Nothing in this Act, or the amendments made by this Act, shall be construed to prohibit any expressive conduct protected from legal prohibition by, or any activities protected by the free speech or free exercise clauses of, the First Amendment to the Constitution," the bill says.
Intense debate on the House floor

House representatives got into a heated exchange Thursday as they debated the bill.

"They [hate crimes] are more serious than a normal assault because they target not just an individual, but an entire group," said Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-New York.

Rep. Tom Feeney, R-Florida, said it is unfair to single out specific groups for protection under the law.

"What it does is to say that the dignity, the property, the life of one person gets more protection than another American. That's just wrong," he said.

Both sides cited the case of Matthew Shepard of Wyoming, whose brutal 1998 murder was linked to his sexual orientation.

"Matthew's death generated international outrage by exposing the violent nature of hate crimes," said Rep. Tammy Baldwin, D-Wisconsin, the only openly lesbian member of the House of Representatives.

But Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, argued that Shepard's killers got harsh sentences without hate-crimes provisions.

"Those perpetrators that did that horrible act -- both got life sentences under regular murder laws," he said.

If President Bush vetoes the bill, it would mark the third veto of his presidency. His second came Tuesday, when he vetoed a $124 billion war spending bill that included a deadline for U.S. troops to pull out of Iraq. http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/03/hate.crimes.bill/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

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