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thirteen
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posted May 21, 2007 01:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am feeling ripped off lately. How long is this roller coaster going to go on with this gas stuff. Is there any real solution? Does anyone have any insight into this? Im frustrated by it and don't know what to do or if there even is anything i can do about it.

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Blue Baby 143
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posted May 21, 2007 01:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Blame Bush


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posted May 21, 2007 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thirteen, what`s a gallon of gas going for down your way ?

In N.W. MI it`s $3.48 a gallon


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posted May 21, 2007 02:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its about the same. They're saying to expect it to go higher for the Memorial weekend.
I read so many conflicting reports on why its hard to figure out whats really going on.
I notice too there is an erie silence from the public about this. Is it because they know after the driving holiday it will come back down? Probably.

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posted May 21, 2007 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are so many factors that go into pricing gas that it's hard to tell. I'm sure there's profiteering going on by the oil companies, but I don't have any hard evidence to back up that claim so I can't say much about it.

Gas has always been really expensive in Northern California, but we have pretty high wages out here too. I can't imagine what it must be like for ppl that live in places like Omaha where the average wage is about half as much as out here...

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posted May 21, 2007 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Frickin' $3.05 a gallon, I cannot believe it....

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artlovesdawn
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posted May 21, 2007 05:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Xodian
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posted May 21, 2007 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welll... A lot of factors have contributed to the recent increase in gas prices lately.

a) OPEC in general has cut back on supply on the global market leading to an artificial jack-up in prices around the globe. The reason being that the ongoing instability in the middle east has lead to an uncertain environment for the continous supply of petrolium and as such they want an insurance thrown in that their market will be safe.

b) With the recent hurricane season in USA, the major oil refinery damage was quite significant (especially around the Port Arthur region.) Thus it took quite a bit of time and money to repair that and well... lost time = lost profits.

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AcousticGod
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posted May 21, 2007 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think it's a Memorial Day thing.

They say it's increased demand and reduced supply that's causing this, but it's not as if the demand isn't being met, so I don't understand how that's the justification.

I'm also in Northern California, and we've got some of the worst prices in the country for gas even versus Southern California.

Oh, and if you noticed gas prices went down before elections this last time. I wonder who took credit for that. I think that was political.

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posted May 21, 2007 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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reduced supply that's causing this, but it's not as if the demand isn't being met, so I don't understand how that's the justification.

The market justfies Acoustic . Basic law of supply and demand justifies it. Gas is a commodity that doesn' have any viable substitue right now (unless everyone wants to switch over to hybrid vehicles and even then you need gas Lol!)

Lower the supply, the higher the demand. The higher the demand, the higher the prices (to the point where people may wanna switch over to the hybrids Lol!)

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posted May 21, 2007 07:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gas prices go up every spring and summer because people do more traveling at those times of the year and boating.

There is no oil shortage. It's just the oil companies dickering with the prices so they can make more and more profit.

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posted May 21, 2007 07:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A related incident here in Michigan regarding gas prices, and damn I wish I had known about this I would have gone and filled up all the car tanks.

Someone hacked into the computer of all the Meijer stores, which also sell gas, and everything from food to clothes to gasoline was ringing up at half price. People were astounded. Unfortunately it happened during the night, Meijers stays open 24 hours, so only people who shop at that time, and the hackers, benefited from it. Gas was ringing up at a little over $1.00 per gallon.

When people get screwed by corporations all the time and the oil companies they get real inventive. LOL

P.S. Too bad you don't shop at Meijers over there on Rochester Rd. in the middle of the night, thirteen or you would have gotten half price off your gas too. We missed out. Whaaaaaaaa

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Dulce Luna
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posted May 21, 2007 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL Mirandee.


I'm sad too though.....I wish that had happened here in RI.

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thirteen
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posted May 22, 2007 10:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You got it Mirandee, too bad i missed that. Im thinking of filling up today. I watch the prices on gasbuddy.com and they will go up by thursdays in the summer months.

When they say that barrel prices are down from this time last year but gas prices are up a lot from this time last year i go nuts.

Im just not sure what the solution is to at least get stability.

Well... this is a polarized planet so i guess im just gonna have to wait till the situation flips and the prices just drop out. Even the oil companies say there will be a down cycle. I'll be the one lauging my butt off when that happens.

I like to read what everyone says because i know i get too emotional about it and i need others opinions to keep my objective.

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carlfloydfan
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posted May 23, 2007 04:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some say we have already hit peak oil and are slowly rolling down hill gaining speed.

An analyst report the other day, a prediction of a 50% decrease in production over the next 5 years, this same analyst is predicting prices approaching $6 a gallon by Christmas '07.

This is a scary eye opener:
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

I have also heard other sides of the story including:

"Peak oil is a hoax being promoted by the oil companies to achieve a state of artificial scarcity, thus higher oil prices and more government control."

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Swerve
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posted May 23, 2007 04:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You guys have it easy! lol

You should see the price of petrol in the UK! And its permanent and always rising.
Kind of flies in the face of the fighting war for oil prices argument I think.

We envy your pickup trucks and gas-guzzlers because quite frankly they could only be a millionaires plaything over here!

Swerve

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posted May 23, 2007 07:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gas Prices Around the World

Gas prices in Japan are pretty up there. We had to get gas off base once and it was the equivalent of about $45. Usually it costs us about $30 on base. But the Japanese folk we know don't complain about gas prices. I think it's just how it is here ... alot of things are expensive. Their appliances, though, use much less electricity than ours and I think part of the motivating factor is just how expensive fuel is over here.

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kate_julia
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posted May 23, 2007 11:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In Australia, Melbourne petrol prices are approx $1.30per litre of oil.

(Which is around 1.05 USD a litre.)

Prices here fluctuate from around $1.25-$1.35 which is pretty expensive for your average joe. Makes me angry seeing all the 4WDs in the CITY. (bloody unneccesary gas guzzlers!)

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Mirandee
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posted May 24, 2007 12:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right kate_julia. Here you see a lot of Humvies on the roads. It's not really necessary to drive a tank to PTA meetings or the grocery store.

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posted May 24, 2007 03:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A local paper here in michigan is talking about this since we're second highest in the nation. What do you think?

Well 30+ years of unrealistic environmental regulations, not in my back yard protests by people and no drilling for oil in America under any circumstances are coming home to the pocket book. Rethink all of your votes for local, state, and national legislators and ask: Have they been looking out for your interests to assure a supply of gas at reasonable prices with the world market? Do you know that the government units collect up to $.60 per gallon in taxes depending on which state you buy gas. The federal government collects more in taxes per gallon on excise tax than profits per gallon. Then oil companies need to pay income tax after that.

If you want a controlled gas price, please consider what it would be like to live in those countries that have them.

We are getting what we voted for. If you did not vote, then you need to get to the ballot box and see who will vote to restrict gas to 4 blends across the nation rather than 30+, fast track approval of new refineries, open drilling on all coasts and ANWR. This will be followed by mandating a government program to look at shale oil, coal gassification and wind power where ever possible (including in the Kennedy family's favorite sailing spot of Cape Cod - which they have blocked)

If you disagree with these steps, then please suggest ones that support our capalistic system, not a socialist approach. France is begging for more socialists to redo their recent election.

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posted May 24, 2007 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.exxonmobil.com/Corporate/Files/Corporate/responding_to_energy_needs.pdf
http://library.corporate-ir.net/library/11/115/115024/items/242049/1Q07_Earnings_Press_Release.pdf

Up 10% over Q1 2006.

They're doing fine without ANWR.

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posted May 24, 2007 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most of the oil companies profits come from "other" than US markets. Do we penalize an oil company for revenue made in Japan?

I think if we applied that to our own life, we wouldn't someone penalizing us because we received income from another source.

I read through the earnings and saw that they were actually down from year before. Most companies reinvest profits back into research.

***edited to add- read page three of the exxon earnings statement. Even the computer industry made more in profits than "big oil" same with alcohol and tobacco..

The article thirteen posted hit the nail on the head. Why aren't people b1tching about the insane amount of taxes added to each gallon of gas? The states that apply a percentage are the ones making out.. then you have local legislators that also force a tax on a gallon.

Here's an article detailing just that bs:

Running on empty
Hit by high prices and fees, some gas station owners stop selling fuel
By THOMAS CONTENT
tcontent@journalsentinel.com
Posted: May 23, 2007
As gas prices hit another record last Friday, Jeff Curro couldn't take it anymore.

He wasn't a motorist at the pump fed up by the blur of numbers spinning higher as he filled his tank.

Curro is a gas station owner who has stopped selling gas to his own customers.

After selling gas at N. 124th and W. Burleigh streets for 20 years, Curro turned off his pumps at his Shell station in Brookfield when the price he was being asked to pay was just too much.

Including the wholesale cost of gas and other taxes and charges, he was being asked to pay $3.44 a gallon Friday, a day when the competing stations down the street were selling gasoline for $3.47.

"Three cents a gallon doesn't cut it," Curro said. "It doesn't pay the bills."

Add to that the money he loses every time a motorist uses a credit card at the pump, and there was no reason to keep selling gas, Curro said.

Credit card companies and banks get an average of 2.75% on every gallon of gas sold, and credit card processing fees now rank as the second-biggest expense for gas station operators, according to the National Association of Convenience Stores.

"The way I see it is, I'm doing all the work of providing the labor, the wages, the electricity, the lighting, the maintenance of the pumps, the repairs and the insurance, which is quite substantial," Curro said. "I'm doing all the work, and somebody else is getting fat on me."

Curro isn't alone in deciding to not sell gas anymore. Casey O'Gorman did the same thing. In business for 25 years near State Fair Park, his West Allis service station is now doing business exclusively as Auto Analyzers. The Shell name came down a few months back.

"I finally had to just pull the plug on it and say, 'I can't afford to do it anymore,' " O'Gorman said.

High wholesale prices
Curro and O'Gorman are leaving a relatively small and disappearing group of service station owners who both sell gas and repair cars.

Independent auto-repair shops face competition from car dealerships and quick-lube repair shops, and in the sale of gasoline, they compete against full-line convenience stores.

Most gas stations today double as convenience stores, and although they generate more than two-thirds of sales from gas, two-thirds of profit comes from in-store sales of cigarettes, drinks and food, according to the convenience store association.

When drivers are paying more, they think that means higher profits for the filling station, said Bob Bartlett, executive vice president of the Wisconsin Petroleum Marketers & Convenience Stores Association.

The case of the two Shell stations stopping sales of gas illustrates the challenges faced by independent station owners across the state, Bartlett said. Nine of 10 stations in the state are independently owned and run, he said.

Between Feb. 1 and Monday, Bartlett said, the average wholesale price paid by service stations in Milwaukee to buy gasoline rose from $1.66 to $2.94. Add in taxes paid to the federal and state governments, as well as transportation costs, and the average service station had to cover $3.47 on Monday, without charging any profit. On that day, stations were charging their customers $3.47 on average in Milwaukee, according to AAA's Daily Fuel Gauge Report.

"People are upset about oil and gas prices, but it's not this guy right here," Bartlett said of the independent gas station owner. "He's not OPEC. He's not refining it. He's buying it kind of like I am, right at the end of the line here."

Sales up, profit down
Curro has been thinking about shutting down his gas pumps for about a year, and he has complained to his supplier about prices.

When he shut down his pumps, he was charging $3.59 a gallon, 12 cents higher than the competing stations nearby.

"Even at $3.59, I was making 15 cents, but I was still giving 10 of those cents to MasterCard," he said.

Nationally, the Association of Convenience Stores estimates that sales rose 12% but profit fell 23% industrywide last year, and for the first time, credit card fees were higher than the industry's profit.

Lower margins on the sale of fuel and credit card fees were the two main factors behind the drop in profit, the association said, as profit margins on the sale of fuel dipped to their lowest point since 1983.

Until January, O'Gorman and the predecessors at S. 84th St. and W. Greenfield Ave. sold gasoline on that corner since 1938.

He says he never made much money selling gas but started seeing margins nosedive last year when gas prices rose.

"More and more, it was crowding out my real form of income," O'Gorman said, referring to car repairs.

"Then you listen to the public, and they say we're gouging them. Who needs to listen to that? I'd need to have my head examined."

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My beef is with the tax system. The states and local governments do nothing to earn those taxes but they sure as hell know how to spend the revenue.

If they really cared about the poor they would repeal some of those taxes.

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pidaua
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posted May 24, 2007 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
gas tax:

In addition to the 18 cent per gallon Federal tax, below is a list of state tax per gallon... but don't forget to check what your local gov charges as well.
http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp

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posted May 24, 2007 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, there's no doubt the government is taxing the heck out of it, but at over 9 billion dollars in earnings for the quarter, Exxon's not doing bad.

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pidaua
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posted May 25, 2007 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No they aren't but if we look at that as being their profit globally, they aren't doing all that well.

I'd like to see us get off the dependence, but to do so we are going to have to take certain measures. The tax on gas per gallon was raised in California after the Northridge and SF earthquakes in the 90's. We were told it would be repealed after a certain number of years.. that never happened.

How is it these states and the fed government get away with taxing gas sold per gallon PLUS they tax stations on their sales and they tax the wholesalers?

The government NEED gas / oil because it puts more money in the politicians hands when it comes to more pork projects.

Blech.. it sux!

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