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jwhop
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posted May 21, 2007 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gee, I wonder how many of these phony baloney anti Iraq War War vets there are floating around on the internet making false and malicious charges?

At least they caught this little jerk and are prosecuting his sorry ass.

Of course, all the other phony "peace now" advocates just lap that bullshiit up like mother's milk.

Phony Soldier Charged With Making Up Claims of Atrocities in Iraq
Sunday, May 20, 2007

A man who tried to position himself as a leader of the anti-war movement by claiming to have participated in war crimes while serving in Iraq is facing federal charges of falsifying his record.

Jesse Adam Macbeth, 23, formerly of Phoenix, garnered attention on blogs and in some alternative media after he began claiming in 2005 to have been awarded a Purple Heart for his service, which he said included slaughtering innocents in a Fallujah mosque. His story was contradicted by his discharge form, showing that he was kicked out of the Army after six weeks at Fort Benning, Ga., in 2003 because of his “entry level performance and conduct.”

A complaint unsealed Friday in U.S. District Court in Seattle charged him with one count of using or possessing a forged or altered military discharge certificate, and one count of making false statements in seeking benefits from the Veterans Administration.

Macbeth’s public defender, Jay Stansell, declined to comment.

Organizations that opposed the war, including Iraq Veterans Against the War, posted videos or statements containing Macbeth’s claims on their Web sites. In one videotaped interview, a skinny, stuttering Macbeth, dressed in a camouflage jacket, described slaughtering hundreds of people in a mosque: “We would burn their bodies ... hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque,” he said.

Veterans Against the War and other organizations removed the claims after learning they were false.

“He approached us in early 2006, posing as a war veteran. He seemed very emotionally distressed about his experiences,” said Amadee Braxton, a spokeswoman for Iraq Veterans Against the War, based in Philadelphia.

Macbeth claimed in an application for benefits to have served from May 2001 to June 2004, to have been shot in Iraq and to have suffered post-traumatic stress disorder, LaMont E. Stokes, an agent with the VA’s Office of the Inspector General, wrote in the charging papers. He also collected more than $10,400 in benefits to which he was not entitled, Stokes wrote.

Stokes said he interviewed Macbeth in a Tacoma jail, where he has been serving a sentence for fourth-degree assault, and that Macbeth admitted falsifying the documents because he was homeless and wanted to “sucker” anything he could out of the government.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,274097,00.html

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pidaua
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posted May 21, 2007 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I posted this on the Military wife site. The general consensus was "How many of these radical anti-war websites will print an apology for posting the rantings of a fraud?"

This guy never even made it through his initial training before he was throw out- then he makes statements that he was awarded for murdering innocents.

How many people believed him? How many people used him and other frauds as poster veterans for a war they hate?

How many changed their minds because of people like the fraud, thinking we actually sanctioned the killing of innocents?

Hmmm... it just makes me sick.

Just like another thought that came to mind.. how come so many people that profess to be anti-war never speak out about the civil wars in other countries (Africa, Mexico etc..) but they constantly refer to our war on terror in Iraq and Afghanistan? Did they speak out when Saddam was killing the Kurds? How about during the Vietnam war BEFORE and AFTER we left as millions of people were being slaughtered (3 million after we left to be exact).

So are they really anti-war or anti 'any war that the US participates in"? Where is the concern for the other deaths?


Hmmm.... almost reminds of the new tide AGAINST this immigration legislation (which I believe is NOT tough enough) stating that they are against Bush for granting what they see as amnesty... then again, weren't they just for open borders like a few months ago?

It proves this fact- many that are against Bush's policies are only against them because they hate Bush... the immigration flip flop is proof.

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naiad
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posted May 21, 2007 07:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
at first i thought this was a post on the

Phony Iraq War....

haha.

oh well.

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jwhop
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posted May 22, 2007 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well Pid, I wouldn't hold your breath waiting to see an apology from any of the so called anti war website nuts.

You are right, they are in no way anti-war per se. They are anti America, anti Bush and anti anything which advances freedom and representative governments around the world.

Their ideal governmental model was the Soviet Union, North Vietnam, North Korea and Castro's Cuba. They are the most radical leftists in America and dedicated to the overthrow of America and the Constitutional Republic.

They claim moral superiority and attempt to wrap themselves in that mantle. That and compassion but again, you're right and that compassion was never in evidence when communist governments were in the process of killing about 200,000,000 of their own citizens in the 20th Century. Nor was any compassion on display from these leftist posers when Saddam and his insane murderous sons were killing about a million Iraqi citizens.

These leftists can't even work up any compassion for the Iraqis terrorists have and are deliberately killing in Iraq.

Their compassion is totally devoted to those whom American military forces have killed accidentially or those terrorists and so called insurgents American military personnel have killed; those attempting to overthrow the duly elected, freely elected government of Iraq.

Any enemy of America or American interests are the fast friends of leftists, including those in the US Congress.

Lies, deception, subversion and phony issues are their only tools. They are not up to making a coherent argument about real issues. In the world of ideas, leftists are totally disarmed.

Notice, no one here had a word to say about this phony antiwar war vets deception...except you.



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naiad
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posted May 22, 2007 01:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
there's enough deception everywhere about this war. this is another distraction to discredit those, conservatives included, who know this war is wrong.

i posted some relevant articles about how the government is outsourcing the war to private company mercenaries, who have no accountability to the government, and who undermine the u.s. military in every way.

there was no response whatsoever to that. a much more pressing issue than one for nothing more than drawing the focus away from the real issues of the war.

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posted May 22, 2007 04:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just do what I do..blame Bush.


Or in your case just blame the Clintons


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jwhop
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posted May 24, 2007 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Resisting murderers, thugs, oppressors, criminals, rapists and other outrageous activities of despots and thugs is always the right thing to do.

I often wonder why those of the so called compassionate moralists don't seem to get that?

I also wonder why these same people are always on the side of these same murderous thugs, never attempt to hold them responsible for their genocides, murders and criminal actions but instead have nothing but contempt for anyone who attempts to put an end to their murderous rule.

Something to think about when these self appointed morally and spiritually superior imposters attempt to wrap themselves in the mantle of "compassion".

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posted May 24, 2007 11:30 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My take is that war-nuts and anti-war-nuts are both a waste of time and effort. We often mess up our vision with poltrickal over tones.

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naiad
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posted May 24, 2007 12:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
no one is supporting murdering thugs, except the hypocrites who disguise their own efforts to silence them as a humanitarian effort. it's the hypocrites who support the murdering thugs in the first place, as long as they advance their agenda, who later have to make an extreme effort to dismantle them, causing even more death and destruction, once they cease to serve the purpose of the hypocrites.

innocent people shouldn't have to suffer the violence and manipulation of power and resource foriegn policy maneuvering. the genocides are overlooked as long as they serve the purpose of the hypocrites.

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jwhop
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posted May 25, 2007 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A vote to leave Saddam in power in Iraq WAS A VOTE IN FAVOR of Saddam's murders, rapes, tortures and genocide...not to mention Saddam's gross violations of 16 UN Security Council Resolutions.

This attempt was engineered by the radical democrat left...and specifically because Saddam was one of them. A communist who modeled his government along the lines of Stalinist Russia.

A vote to leave Iraq and let the terrorists take over the country, establish a fundamentalist Islamic theoracy is a VOTE AGAINST the people of Iraq who have gone to the polls 3 times and expressed their will for a secular representative government.

Again, it's the radical leftist democrat party who is attempting to sell out not only the people of Iraq...again, but also the United States and hand the terrorists a victory they can't win on the battlefields.

Utterly contemptible.

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naiad
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posted May 25, 2007 12:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what's contemptible ~

Don't forget that it was Donald Rumsfeld shaking the hand of
Saddam Hussein in 1983, even while it was known that the dictator
("Hitler revisited") was using prohibited poison gas weapons.
Rumsfeld assisted Saddam Hussein both financially and militarily,
never once bringing up any qualms about helping a "ruthless
dictator who gasses his own people."

PRETEXT FOR AMERICAN AGGRESSION

The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) is a Washington
foreign policy "think tank" created in 1997 by Donald Rumsfeld,
Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush and others. Their policy
papers are available on the web. In a document called
"Rebuilding America's Defenses" they spell out pretty
straightforwardly what it is they seek. The "neo conservatives"
want nothing short of total world domination though military
and financial supremacy.

It is about the time that the PNAC was founded when Rumsfeld
and others began to pressure President Clinton to invade Iraq.
A January 1998 letter demands a new strategy of Clinton: "That
strategy should aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam
Hussein's regime from power."

Iraq, the second largest oil reserve in the world, is a major
strategic prize. And it is the strategic advantage that drives
the ideologues such as Rumsfeld, confident in the belief that
whatever means employed are justified in the pursuit of American
"primacy" or dominance over the entire world. The Project for
the New American Century will accept no challenge to American
supremacy around the globe, and the policies they are now
implementing support this belief. They intend to raise military
expenditures to absurd levels, in a world where the United States
already outspends the rest of the earth combined on military.

What the September 11th attacks are then is stated explicitly in
"Rebuilding America's Defenses." It is the "new Pearl Harbor."
According to Rumsfeld and company, the United States of America
would slowly become the unchallenged power of the world. But this
process would be speeded up satisfactorily if some new external
attack, "some catastrophic and catalysing event, like a new Pearl
Harbor" were to occur. This concept is also state explicitly in
"THE GRAND CHESSBOARD - American Primacy And It's Geostrategic
Imperatives," Zbigniew Brzezinski, Basic Books, 1997.

Both Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz traveled around the media after
September 11 repeating the phrase "Pearl Harbor," and cementing
it in people's minds. The "Pearl Harbor effect" is what is
sought. An America gung-ho for war, for payback, for militarism,
for sacrifice, for tears, for aggression, for the kind of
violence witnessed at Hiroshima or Nagasaki if need be, this is
the intended effect of September the 11th and ultimately the
reason that day came to pass.

These are the true reasons that the September 11th attacks remain
uninvestigated, covered-up and classified. Motive, opportunity
and means -- the only thing needed here is justice.

Much ado was made in the press about John Walker Lindh, the
"American Taliban" who fought in Afghanistan. On September 11,
2001, there was another Al Qaeda operative, a man who did more
to help the attacks succeed than anyone else. It was not Osama
bin Laden, but Donald H. Rumsfeld who has earned his place in
the history books as the "American Taliban 2."

Don't forget that it was Donald Rumsfeld shaking the hand of
Saddam Hussein in 1983, even while it was known that the dictator
("Hitler revisited") was using prohibited poison gas weapons.
Rumsfeld assisted Saddam Hussein both financially and militarily,
never once bringing up any qualms about helping a "ruthless
dictator who gasses his own people."

http://www.911review.com/means/standdown.html

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jwhop
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posted May 26, 2007 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hardly a contemptible act since at the time Rumsfeld shook Saddam's hand, Saddam was in a war with Iran. Iran, the lawless nation which had shortly before committed an act of war against the United States and held US diplomats hostage in violation of international law.

Also prior to the knowledge Saddam was systematically slaughtering his own citizens and using WMD against his own people.

No, contemptible is the word which should be applied to those who now know the history of Saddam and attempted to keep Saddam and his insane murderous sons in power in Iraq...not to mention the utterly contemptible actions of those willing and eager to abandon to slaughter those who risked their very lives to vote for a secular representative government.

To contemptible let's add moral cowardice and selective compassion...which is not compassion at all.

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naiad
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posted May 26, 2007 03:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it wasn't prior to the knowledge. they knew. they overlooked it because it was convenient to do so.

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pidaua
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posted May 26, 2007 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes.. if only they had consulted their Crystal ball so they would better understand what a person "would" do in the future...


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