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Kermeez Shroff
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posted May 22, 2007 05:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey guys i don't know if i'm wrong in doin so but i really like michael jackson. he's a great artist and performer. does anyone agree with me i really do not feel he is a child molester. any comments r welcome. i no i brought tis topic out all of a sudden but i wud really like to know your views.

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kate_julia
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posted May 24, 2007 02:30 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Im in the same boat as you man...
Ever since i was a little kid i loved his music and thought he was great...then he started all the surgery etc. i dont know what to think.
He is a perfect target for people to set up because YES he IS weird and people dont like weird, they dont understand it. THey think hes a freak because of what he looks like and so on and so forth so people believe that it is true. (Get my drift?)

Anybody that was brought up like MJ would turn out a bit odd if you ask me. He has had the world watching him since he can remember and lived an AMAZING life. HE has donated more money to charity and done more for kids that anyone in the history of this earth! (no joke!) So its so sad to see and hear what is happening to him.

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Mirandee
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posted May 24, 2007 03:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He's a grown man who has children at his home for sleep overs and admitted he slept in the same bed with them. Not only that the authorities found magazines and video tapes in his home of sexual acts with children. Isn't that at least a slight little clue to you that it isn't only Michael Jacksons looks that are freaky and weird? LOL

If that sounds like normal behavior for an adult man to you guys, well, I don't even want to know what you consider abnormal behavior.

Just because he is famous and you like his singing you are willing to overlook and tolerate the sexual abuse of children by him? Who cares about the kids who are damaged for life. We like his singing so much we are willing to go into denial by saying it is only due to him being weird and famous that makes him a target.

How do you account for the fact that Elton John is equally as weird and famous yet has never been set up and accused of the sexual abuse of children? Not to mention all the other famous weird people? How come they haven't been targets?

My guess is that it might be due to the fact that they don't have little kids in their homes to whom they are not even related for sleep overs. So if MJ was falsely accused of sexually abusing children don't you think it might his fault and his actions that made him a target? Any adult that dumb should be a target.

However, you do overlook the fact that all that child porno stuff was found in his house. So even if he is just a moron he is a moron who likes to look at adults having sex with children. Big clue there ladies. Hallo!!!!

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pidaua
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posted May 24, 2007 03:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Mirandee...


I believe that no matter what a great artist or performer he is or was, the fact that he is a pedophile negates everything. The guy slept with children, he gave them alcohol and paid off parents.

The only difference between him and the sick pedophile in a trench coat is that he has money and had an amusement park. He was just better able to buy off those he hurt.

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Kermeez Shroff
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posted May 24, 2007 04:32 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
look ppl i'm not sayin tat i'm ready to ignore wat the world has to say about him. all i'm sayin is tat MAYBE he's bein targeted coz of his success. gosh i really didn't know he admitted all tat himself. but those tapes can also b a thing to set him up! remember with success comes jealousy. even i wud detest him if he has done wrong.

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Kermeez Shroff
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posted May 24, 2007 04:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey y don't all you experts out ter lexigram Michael Jackson. lets c wat happens ten?

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Mirandee
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posted May 24, 2007 09:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alien and lame are in his name.

I don't care what his name lexigrams to be that does not make him any less a pediphile. He would not have paid his way out of the trial if he were not guilty.

I question the parents of those children accepting the money. If it were my child I would have refused it because my child is worth more than any amount of money. I would have forced the pervert to go to trial and see that justice was at least done for my child. Not that anything is going to erase the scars left on those children.

Set up indeed. You see, it's really warped that even with all the evidence in your face you are still in denial. Now the porn videos are being denied as having been planted there at his house due to jealousy. OMG.

You, without even knowing all the facts or it seems even caring to know them, go around saying he is not a pediphile just because you happen to like his music.

Exonerating him while putting the blame on the children who said he did sexually abuse them. They are the liars in your eyes. Not him. Totally warped thinking!! It's people like yourself who make it so easy for perverts to prey on children.

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AcousticGod
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posted May 24, 2007 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Frankly I'm surprised that this thread got resurrected at all. I thought Kermeez MUST be joking.

I think he's maladjusted and mentally ill, and that it does manifest in very inappropriate relationships with children. Even if he wasn't an honest to god pedophile, the relationships he's created with children, and the things he's done with children would be enough for me to not to want anything to do with him.

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kate_julia
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posted May 29, 2007 02:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If that sounds like normal behavior for an adult man to you guys, well, I don't even want to know what you consider abnormal behavior.

Just because he is famous and you like his singing you are willing to overlook and tolerate the sexual abuse of children by him? Who cares about the kids who are damaged for life. We like his singing so much we are willing to go into denial by saying it is only due to him being weird and famous that makes him a target.
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Obviously you misunderstood my whole post. (Quote: Who cares about the kids who are damaged for life.) OF course Kerm and myself care about kids who have been abused! Jeezuz, im just not jumping in to a "YES he definatly did it" state of mind, I dont know enough about the whole thing to make a comment. And WTF who cares if he sleeps in the same bed as his own children! Thats normal!! Look i dont know what the truth is...and half the population of america probably believe anything they hear on the tele. If i knew all the facts then i would say yeah its highly likely but untill then i dont know a thing.

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lalalinda
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posted May 29, 2007 05:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
in my opinion
the worst offenses
are those against innocent children.

But MJ was found not guilty in a US court and you can't just dismiss that. Besides it's not for us to judge. (it would do no good)

My gut tells me there is NO WAY that kind of fiendship could ever exist with one of my own. I felt that way long before his problems became public.
Back when he was hanging out with Bubbles ewww.

Speaking astrologically, transiting Saturn is coming up to the conjunction with his Sun.
He should already be feeling the beginnings of Saturns restrictions and then later as Saturn gets closer (Sun) will come some heavy responsibility. (that includes for his actions)
And you know You can't bribe Saturn

Time to pay the piper.
He will be interesting to watch.

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BlueRoamer
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posted May 29, 2007 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All I had to hear was that he was selling a picture he drew of a young boy.

Grown men dont draw pictures of young boys. They draw pictures of grown men if they're gay, or grown women if they're not. He's a pedophile.

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Eleanore
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posted May 29, 2007 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lots of people draw pictures of young children. It depends, to me, on the kind of picture it was whether or not something is awry ... and no, I haven't looked up info on MJ's drawing yet.


He was found not guilty. True. So was OJ.


Lexigram-wise his name would probably suggest he doesn't lie and is not in "sin" but would be accused of such. However, not everyone believes lexigrams have any merit, they certainly wouldn't hold up in court, and they can very well be colored by the person doing them, intentionally or not.


My only problem with this whole fiasco (aside from the obvious horror of child molestation) is the parents accepting the money to drop the charges. If anyone dared to lay an inappropriate hand on my child, no amount of money offered to me to just drop it would make me stop trying to have them brought to justice. No amount. That's like telling your kid, "hey, it's wrong for someone to sexually molest you ... unless they pay you a lot of money for it." It's not far from child prostitution, imo. And there's no way I'll believe that any decent parent would do such a thing. However, that doesn't mean there aren't horrible, greedy parents out there who'd do just that and these childrens parents may very well be those kinds of parents. Shame (at the very least) on MJ if he really did abuse those kids (we may never know the truth) but an equally nasty shame on their parents if their kids really were abused and the parents allowed their silence to be bought.

Just my opinions.

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Kermeez Shroff
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posted May 30, 2007 11:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mirandee i hope ur understandin what kate and i r tryin 2 explain. vr not sayin he is not guilty but v r QUESTIONING his character. vr askin how can he b guilty? and as d others have mentioned its still quite a mystery is he or is he not innocent. i love his music and always will. if he is found to b guilty i myself will dislke him not his music! try to understand there are two faces to a coin. don't c wat d world is tryin to show u think understand ascertain the facts and then pass a judement on anyone. again i'm not takin his side. Acoustic i was not jokin and i think u know that!!! thanks Kate 4 being understanding....

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BlueRoamer
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posted May 30, 2007 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eleanore: How many people can you name that invite young boys to their homes, are tried in court for child molestation, design their home in a way that attracts children, have erotic child imagery, and also draw pictures of children?

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Eleanore
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posted May 30, 2007 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BlueRoamer

Um ... MJ?

I never said there was nothing wrong with him. I actually think he is quite disturbed. I also think it is highly likely that even if he did not actually physically molest these children (doubt due to the outcome of those charges) that there is possibly something in him that has at least caused him to consider it. That's my very unprofessional opinion.

However, the comment I made was regarding people drawing pictures of young children. You said

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All I had to hear was that he was selling a picture he drew of a young boy.
Grown men dont draw pictures of young boys. They draw pictures of grown men if they're gay, or grown women if they're not. He's a pedophile.


The fact that someone draws pictures of young children does not alone make them a pedophile, imo. Naturally, as in MJ's case, when you add all the other things he's said and done and that have happened to him, then those drawings take on a different meaning ... in context. At least, that's how I see it.

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kate_julia
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posted May 31, 2007 02:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eleanore i argree with what you said about the parents accepting the 'fairly large' (understatement) amount of money. Anyone dishonest parent looking for some cash could set the whole thing up extremly easy if they wanted too. Just get their kid to spread the word and make up a few things and the whole worlds talkin about it. By that stage the media have exaggerated/manipulated the whole thing and MJ has to PAY them just to SHUT UP!

You just never know. Its easy to make these assumptions about people with mental problems and MJ is exremly vulnerable. Who knows maybe he did do some of those things. Maybe he did some but not all. Maybe he did none. MAYBE he just needs some help and some psychiatric counselling.
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Quote: How many people can you name that invite young boys to their homes, are tried in court for child molestation, design their home in a way that attracts children, have erotic child imagery, and also draw pictures of children?
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Not many, BR, but we are not talking about any ordinary bloke. Of course if he is guilty then there is no excuse. In my opinion MJ is still a child himself. He is like an innocent little child that only wants to be accepted which is why he might feel more comfortable around the company of kids lovable,unjudgemental, accepting natures. -This in turn, is not considered normal so the whole world points a finger.

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Mirandee
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posted May 31, 2007 02:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
kate_julia, for the record, those were not his children. They were children that he invited to see the circus at his mansion and then spend the night for a sleep over.

It seems to me that any adult man who invites children for a "sleep over" is either just begging to be accused of misdeeds with those children or he is a bona fide pediphile. Either way the guy is a mental case. He also has an obsessive/compulsive need for more and more plastic surgery to the point he just plain looks freaky. It amounts to paid for self-multilation.

The police found closets full of pediphile type movies. Adults engaged in sexual acts with children. Of course here that has been said was possibly planted by the police out of jealousy because of course MJ denied that those closets full of videos were his. Im sure if the police were going to plant movies on him like that they wouldn't have taken them in his house in truck loads. LOL

This last case was not the first time MJ was accused of child molestation. He paid his way out those charges too.

Frankly I am making a judgment call about MJ's character based on his behavior and the evidence. I am however not condemning him and there is a vast difference between the two. I just think that if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it most probably is a duck.

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kate_julia
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posted June 01, 2007 07:12 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He also has an obsessive/compulsive need for more and more plastic surgery to the point he just plain looks freaky. It amounts to paid for self-multilation.
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Its called body dysmorphic disorder. (a relatively newly diagnosed psychic ailment that means that one is preoccupied with an imagined defect—that you continue, say, to experience a consuming hatred for your nose) gender-identity diffusion; and some variant of OCD (obsessive-compulsive disorder).
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/trends/n_9588/

Good read if anyones interested...

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Xodian
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posted June 01, 2007 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wellll... Michael Jackson ain't what he used to be but atleast his moves are being revived by a new talent.

As much as someone would call Chris Brown a Michael Jackson wannabe, I say he did a much better job bringing a lost style of pop and dance than the King of Pop himself. Sorry Mickey... Tight pants and groin grabs are gone with the times... Let the new blood show what its made of .

Here is a little clip from WMA... featuring Chris Brown and his tribute to Thiller.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pz-w5PYRPc&mode=related&search=

Amazing how he learned the choreography just perfectly.

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