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ListensToTrees
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posted July 16, 2007 06:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been concerned and deeply worried about the Environment since I was a young girl, but I must say that when I watched this documentary on TV recently, I found it very interesting.
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/swindle/

I am not saying that we shouldn't do anything about it; far from it. It is for our own sake that we need to take action- by 'own' I mean everyone as the truth is we are all inter-connected whether we believe it or not. It is for the sake of Compassion that we must take action as millions suffer every day. Thousands of species face possible extinction and perish as more and more Rainforest is destroyed daily. We poison our atmosphere and our oceans. Hilary Swank said in an interview that she had a toxic build-up from all the fish she ate to attain muscle needed for her role. Mother Nature is far more powerful, I feel, and I believe she can heal herself in time.....as for the human race....if we don't act responsibly today rather than tomorrow, we could end up wiping ourselves, or virtually.

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jwhop
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posted July 16, 2007 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The earth is warming and cooling....in cycles related to sunspot activity...as it has for millions and millions of years..perhaps billions.

This is one of the brief warm periods between the cold cycles which last a very long time when they cycle.

CO2 is not a pollutant. Nor is the increased CO2 in the atmosphere a product of human activity. Only about .04% of the total CO2 in the atmosphere is man made. Nor is CO2 the most powerful or plentiful green house gas or trapper of heat in the atmosphere. Water vapor IS the most potent and plentiful trapper of heat in our atmosphere...hands down. Phony issue.

Beyond that, it's not a rise in CO2 levels in the atmosphere which causes temperatures to rise. It's exactly the opposite.

A rise in temperature on earth causes a corresponding rise in CO2 levels. The correlation is exact, it's been measured by ice core samples going back at least 500,000 years. Rising temperatures on earth...due to increased radiational output from the sun leads rises in atmospheric CO2 by about 800 years.

That's the reason the global warming nuts want to do away with the "Medieval Warm Period" as though it never happened...which reached it's peak about year 1200AD or for the math challenged, about 800 years ago. Not only that but it was warmer then than it is now.

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Eleanore
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posted July 17, 2007 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whether or not man has created global warming due to CO2 (which I also disbelieve), don't you think we have a responsibility to preserve what we can of the Earth? It's the only planet we have, at least for now, and I don't relish the idea of taking our problems with us to another planet if the option is ever truly viable.

Cutting down rainforests and destroying ecosystems, polluting waters with pesticides and fertilizers from farms and also hormones from livestock, biological contamination due to GMOs which are difficult to contain once they're in the fields, the loss of agricultural genetic diversity due to hybridizing ...

Seriously, humans have done a lot of stupid things with Nature. Maybe we're not on the edge of disaster due to our experimentation with and manipulation of Nature ... but I think the responsible thing for us to do would be to learn to work with the Earth as much as possible instead of trying to force her to work the way we'd like. Adaptability being the key to survival and all that.

Not completely anti-science or technology here, btw. But living in a concrete jungle, eating powdered rocks, minerals, horse urine, etc. as "vitamins" due to a lack of naturally nutritious foods, not being able to drink natural water due to pollution, using air filters to provide us clean air ... that is simply not my idea of positive human progress or of adapting to our planet.

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jwhop
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posted July 17, 2007 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well sure Eleanore, cutting back on real pollutants in the atmosphere, water and soil IS important; as is cutting out growth hormones in animal feeds and other prudent actions. All those things contribute to a possible risk in the present or in the future.

I object to phony issues leftists attempt to use to seize power over the means of production, transportation and other components of the private sector. Leftists like the nut Algore with his utterly phony issue of man made global warming and those nutty so called scientists surrounding Algore who have a vested interest in promoting the issue. Algore is not going to save the world, not going to lower or moderate the temperature rise because that's beyond his or human control. When Algore finds the thermostat for the sun, he can solve global warming instantly. Turn the thermostat down Al.

Of course, knowing what a low power intellect the reactionary Algore really is concerns me. Algore might over react, turn that thermostat down too far and usher in the next ice age.

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ListensToTrees
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posted July 17, 2007 01:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Absolutely, I agree with you, Eleanore.

I also agree with you, Jwhop- that's why I wanted to show the documentary. People have got a right to know the truth.

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lotusheartone
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posted July 17, 2007 01:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good Stuff!

I'd like to add that part of the climate change is also due to the pole shift, causing strange weather, the glaciers melting and so on...
remember, Linda wrote that we must Re-Verse the poles, bring Earth back to it's original position, where it belongs..
If we have a big shift, we will be creating new poles..what would all this do?

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jwhop
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posted July 19, 2007 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ummm, if the earth swaps poles..in other words flips over and the south pole becomes the north pole, you won't have anything to worry about at all.

The oceans, lakes and rivers of the world would wash the earth clean of all life when they jump out of their basins and rampage across the earth.

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Verseau_miracle
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posted July 19, 2007 01:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That "global warming swindle" stuff was the biggest load of rubbish i have EVER seen

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Twinkle Stars
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posted July 19, 2007 01:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop,

You might want to list sources for that because we all know very well that's not part of your everyday vocabulary. And we know very well that you didn't just come up with that explanation.

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lotusheartone
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posted July 19, 2007 04:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Jwhop,

How are you? I don't see it flipping like that, more like shifting a quarter of the way, putting the North pole, where East is, and so forth, and yes this would cause all the water, to wash over alot of areas.
Should we build another Ark?
Or, just find the spaceships?

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AcousticGod
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posted July 19, 2007 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, the science is absolutely inconclusive on the matter, and as a result further study is called for.

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jwhop
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posted July 20, 2007 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The causes for global warming have already been posted here...including the ice core sampling which showed conclusively that rising temperatures cause a corresponding rise in CO2 levels...about 800 years later...over and over through cold and warm cycles.

Go find it if you're interested.

Lotus, it's doubtful...at least in my mind the earth would change it's tilt axis only 15* or anything in that range. The earth is somewhat flattened at the poles and bulges at the equator...meaning there's more mass there..at the equator. What's more likely unless we're talking about a slight wobble is that the earth...when it really starts to tilt..would continue all the way over until it reaches equilibrium...leaving the equator in the same relative position...more or less in balance.

Well TP, we all know what your normal vocabulary consists of.

The science is absolutely NOT inconclusive on the matter of global warming and it's cause(s}.

But accepting that argument...for the moment..it then follows that to divert trillions or tens, or hundreds of trillions of dollars in an effort to reduce CO2 levels which even the crackpots admit would only moderate temperatures less than 1/2 of one degree over the next century...well acoustic, that's sheer lunacy.

When these crackpot leftist lunatic so called scientists can explain what caused the earth to exit the last ice age about 25,000 years ago and what caused the rapid rise of temperatures leading into the medieval warm period...when it was warmer than it is now, when they show inhabitants of earth were pumping CO2 into the atmoshpere from their SUVs, manufacturing smoke stacks, jet aircraft etc, etc, etc, way back then...then and only then will I be at all receptive to anything they have to say on the subject.

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lotusheartone
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posted July 20, 2007 02:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you just wrote the clue Jwhop, 25,000 years ago, every 25,800 years the Sun, aligns with the Galactic Center, the black hole of the Milky Way, this will happen on 12-21-2012, this causes a pole shift, or so they say!

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lotusheartone
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posted July 26, 2007 08:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, what do you think?

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jwhop
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posted July 27, 2007 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well lotus, I hope that's not true...that there will be a true pole shift in 2012.

A shift in the magnetic fields where north becomes south would be confusing...to animals and especially birds but humans would adapt.

A true pole reversal would wipe all life from the face of the earth. The earth is rotating at about 1000 miles per hour and everything on earth has 1000 mph momentum. Imagine what would happen if every river, every lake, every ocean and every sea suddenly acquired an different angular momentum when the earth suddenly flopped over and exchanged poles. Every body of water on earth would jump out of it's basin and rush over the earth. Finis, finito. Of course, everything on earth has the same directional momentum so every building would be subject to intense forces worse than any earthquake and so would we. It's a question whether anything on earth would still be alive when the wall of water washed over the earth.

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lotusheartone
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posted July 27, 2007 06:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Jwhop, you know, I've been sitting here thinking about this and meditating on it!

It's more like the Earth will wobble, more than it has..so I don't think it will be so extreme, but that there will be changes..it's certainly not the end of the World..I think it's a Universal Adjustment/Shift to all dimensions..when the sun will align in Decmeber of 2012, with the black hole of the Milky Way, I believe a portal/stargate will be opened..it's the doorway to all the other Worlds/Universes..it's the center point of our Universe, the galactic center..
makes me think of the U.S.S. Enterprise and Star Trek, hehe, perhaps we will become space travelers..Mastership, on a MOthership, lol..
I do see it creating a shift, and this will cause some destruction..we just need to tune into MOther Nature, become one with the natural rythem, the music of the spheres, and we will be guided, and all together, we could stabilize this, and make it not such a drastic change..like Linda said, re-verse the poles..fix it!
Or Mother Nature will fix it for us..we need to clean up our mess, or we are gonna be in trouble, lol, put in a Time-Out..
but isn't that it..stop Time, stop paying attention to time/clocks, and get with the natural rythem? That's what the Mayan calendar is all about..the natural cycles..not the time we created with the Gregorian calendar, big mistake!
These are cycles we must endure..so understanding them is of grave importance..

LOve and Reverence to ALL. ...

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ListensToTrees
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posted February 11, 2008 12:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If everything is made of energy and therefore thoughts create, and if on a quantum level nothing is separate, then could it be that the Hopi etc, are right- that to heal the Earth we need to heal ourselves?

Do human emotions, collectively, create catastrophes?

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SattvicMoon
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posted February 11, 2008 03:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is on the same lines as Hindus believe as well. A Karma on the global / social scale and the eventual backlash from the nature.

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ListensToTrees
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posted February 11, 2008 03:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is because the Vedas are ancient, ancient texts which, if there is any truth in what people such as Richard Hoagland and Bob Dean say, originate from cultures who had technology more advanced than we have today.

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