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jwhop
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posted July 27, 2007 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hell Hillary, I've always known that..and so did your poly sci professor who knew you were a Marxist.

At last, Hillary has outed herself. So now everyone has to find out what a "Progressive" really is politically.

Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:44 a.m. EDT
Hillary Clinton: I’m Not a Liberal


Presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton ran away from the "liberal” tag during Monday night’s Democratic debate, claiming instead that she is a "progressive.”

Early on in the CNN/YouTube-sponsored debate, a California resident posed these questions on his video: "Mrs. Clinton, how would you define the word ‘liberal’? And would you use this word to describe yourself?”

Hillary answered: "You know, it is a word that originally meant that you were for freedom, that you were for the freedom to achieve, that you were willing to stand against big power and on behalf of the individual.

"Unfortunately, in the last 30, 40 years, it has been turned up on its head and it's been made to seem as though it is a word that describes big government, totally contrary to what its meaning was in the 19th and early 20th century.

"I prefer the word ‘progressive,’ which has a real American meaning, going back to the progressive era at the beginning of the 20th century.

"I consider myself a modern progressive, someone who believes strongly in individual rights and freedoms, who believes that we are better as a society when we're working together and when we find ways to help those who may not have all the advantages in life get the tools they need to lead a more productive life for themselves and their family.

"So I consider myself a proud modern American progressive, and I think that's the kind of philosophy and practice that we need to bring back to American politics.”***sheer and utter bullshiiit.

CNN host Anderson Cooper said: "So you wouldn't use the word ‘liberal,’ you'd say ‘progressive.’ He then asked former Sen. Mike Gravel: "Are you a liberal?”

Gravel replied: "I wouldn't use either word” – and changed the subject.

The liberal group Americans for Democratic Action gave Hillary a 95 percent "liberal quotient” last year, among the highest ratings in the Senate.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/7/24/125521.shtml?s=ic

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posted July 27, 2007 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The true so called "Progressives" revealed.

BALANCE OF POWER
Pelosi leader of 'Progressive Caucus'
Dems' likely top House official part of powerful, socialist-linked bloc
Posted: November 11, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern
WorldNetDaily.com

Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., the likely new minority leader in the House of Representatives, serves on the executive committee of the socialist-leaning Progressive Caucus, a bloc of about 60 votes or nearly 30 percent of the minority vote in the lower chamber.

Until 1999, the website of the Progressive Caucus was hosted by the Democratic Socialists of America. Following an expose of the link between the two organizations in WorldNetDaily, the Progressive Caucus established its own website under the auspices of Congress. Another officer of the Progressive Caucus, and one of its guiding lights, is avowed socialist Rep. Bernie Sanders, the Vermont independent.

The Democratic Socialists of America's chief organizing goal is to work within the Democratic Party and remove the stigma attached to "socialism" in the eyes of most Americans. ***In other words, how can we fool them today?

"Stress our Democratic Party strategy and electoral work," explains an organizing document of the DSA. "The Democratic Party is something the public understands, and association with it takes the edge off. Stressing our Democratic Party work will establish some distance from the radical subculture and help integrate you to the milieu of the young liberals."

Nevertheless, the goal of the Democratic Socialists of America has never been deeply hidden. Prior to the cleanup of its website in 1999, the DSA included a song list featuring "The Internationale," the worldwide anthem of communism and socialism. Another song on the site was "Red Revolution" sung to the tune of "Red Robin." The lyrics went: "When the Red Revolution brings its solution along, along, there'll be no more lootin' when we start shootin' that Wall Street throng. ..." Another song removed after WorldNetDaily's expose was "Are You Sleeping, Bourgeoisie?" The lyrics went: "Are you sleeping? Are you sleeping? Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie. And when the revolution comes, We'll kill you all with knives and guns, Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie."

In the last three years, the Progressive Caucus has been careful to moderate its image for mainstream consumption.

"The members of the Progressive Caucus share a common belief in the principles of social and economic justice, non-discrimination and tolerance in America and in our relationships with other countries," the group's statement of purpose explains.

Most of the members of the Progressive Caucus, including Pelosi, opposed authorizing the war on Iraq. In fact, most Democrats in the House opposed the war resolution. House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt and 81 other House Democrats supported the move.

"I have seen no evidence or intelligence that suggests that Iraq indeed poses an imminent threat to our nation." Pelosi said in voting against the resolution. "If the administration has that information, they have not shared it with the Congress."

The latest issue of the liberal New Republic bemoans Pelosi's ascendancy to top leadership in her party because of her extreme left positions, calling the Democrat's position "dangerous."

"The ideological vacuum atop the post-Sept. 11 Democratic Party will inevitably be filled," the New Republic said in its trademark TRB column. "And, if it is filled by Nancy Pelosi and Dennis Kucinich, the United States will no longer be a 50-50 nation; it will be a 40-60 nation for a generation."

Pelosi, 62, last year was elected by her Democratic colleagues to be the House Democratic Whip – making her the highest-ranking woman in the U.S. Congress even before her expected rise to the role of House minority leader. She also serves on the House Intelligence Committee.

Pelosi represents a liberal congressional district, taking in most of San Francisco. Her votes against the resolution authorizing the use of force in Iraq and in support of such domestic initiatives as needle exchange programs for AIDS sufferers may not be far out of step with her district constituency. But some suggest the nation's pulse may be another matter.

Pelosi was 47 before she won her first election, after raising five children with her businessman husband, Paul. But she has been involved in politics all her life. Her father was a New Deal congressman from Maryland and later the mayor of Baltimore. Her brother also served as Baltimore's mayor. She was hand-picked to run for Congress by the dying Rep. Sala Burton, whose seat Pelosi won in a special election in 1987.

She has never lost an election.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29612

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posted July 27, 2007 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Congress' Red Army caucus
Posted: July 28, 1998
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Last week, the U.S. House of Representatives voted to continue funding of the National Endowment of the Arts, against delaying implementation of a national ID number to track the way Americans access medical care, and to continue preferential trade practices with Red China.

There were many other bad votes in Congress last week. But these were prime examples of how Washington just doesn't get it -- that it is out of touch with grass-roots America and, more importantly, with fundamental constitutional principles and basic concepts of American freedom.

There are many explanations for the failures of the 104th and 105th Congress, which came to power with promises of revolutionary change and a reversal of 40 years of bigger and more centralized government. The new leadership bears the brunt of the responsibility. After all, they were the ones who promised things would be different on their watch. They either fooled us about their intentions in the first place, or they failed miserably.

Yet, it is impossible to ignore one other important contributing factor seldom addressed by the press and pundit class.

I'm talking about the seemingly permanent cadre of hard-core leftists in Congress -- people who know what they believe, know what they want and fight for it relentlessly, unlike most of the mushy-headed, unprincipled, compromise-at-any-cost, middle-of-the-road "Demorats" and "Republicons."

Let's call this caucus what it is -- Congress' very own Red Army. They are card-carrying members of the so-called 'Progressive Caucus,' marching the nation inevitably toward its self-proclaimed socialist ideal.

The names and faces change occasionally, but you can see a pretty current roster on the Web site of the Democratic Socialists of America. The caucus is led by avowed Socialist Rep. Bernard Sanders of Vermont, Rep. Cynthia McKinney of Georgia, Rep. Peter DeFazio of Oregon, Rep. Maurice Hinchey of New York, Rep. Major Owens of New York, Rep. Nydia Velazquez of New York, Rep. Lane Evans of Illinois and Rep. Maxine Waters of California. Retired Rep. Ron Dellums was a long-time member of the executive committee and a leading DSA member. His replacement and political protege, Rep. Barbara Lee of California, proudly joins the club in his footsteps.

Unlike most members of Congress, the Progressive Caucus has a purpose, an objective, a goal. It is "organized around the principles of social and economic justice, a non-discriminatory society and national priorities which represent the interests of all people, not just the wealthy and the powerful."

"Our purpose is to present thoughtful, practical solutions to the economic and social problems facing America," says its statement of purpose. "Our people-based agenda extends from job creation to job training, to economic conversion, to single payer health-care reform, to adequate funding for the AIDS crisis, to environmental reform and to women's rights. "Now that the Cold War is over, this nation's budget and overall priorities must reflect that reality. We support further cuts in outdated and unnecessary military spending, a more progressive tax system in which wealthy taxpayers and corporations contribute their fair share, and a substantial increase in social programs designed to meet the needs of low-and-middle-income American families. We believe that these goals fit within an overall commitment to deficit reduction."

To the untrained ear, that may not sound very radical. In fact, I suggest the majority of members of Congress would have little objection to such a mission statement -- which is how and why the Progressive Caucus is able to accomplish so much of its agenda. A politician with no principles is hardly a match for one who does -- even if those principles are bad ones that lead, history shows, to loss of freedom.
***Yes, one can listen to the bullshiiit words coming out of progressive/socialist/communist mouths but it much more instructive to trace back in history and see socialists and communists were the worst murderers in the history of earth.

Congress' hard-core Red Army Caucus may only number about 60 members. But recent events and votes show there are probably no more than 60 members of Congress truly dedicated uncompromisingly and unswervingly to the principles upon which this nation was founded -- individual rights, limited government, free enterprise and the rule of law under the greatest Constitution ever devised by man.

Next time you wonder why our nation is tumbling down the slippery slope toward socialism, dictatorship and repression, don't forget the active role played by this group of dedicated, professional malcontents and the support they receive from most of the nation's powerful cultural institutions -- the government schools, the government-media complex and the pro-government foundation lobby, not to mention the current White House and much of the judicial branch of government.

The socialists are in this battle for the long haul. They never give up. Can the same be said of elected leaders who pay lip service to freedom?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=14542

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posted July 27, 2007 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, now you know who and what "Progressives are. You can also see how their bullshiit songs leads back to the most murderous thug governments in the history of the world.

Thanks for outing yourself Hillary. Of course most of us already knew.


"Red Revolution" sung to the tune of "Red Robin." The lyrics went:
"When the Red Revolution brings its solution along, along, there'll be no more lootin' when we start shootin' that Wall Street throng. ..."

Another song removed after WorldNetDaily's expose was "Are You Sleeping, Bourgeoisie?" The lyrics went:
"Are you sleeping? Are you sleeping? Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie. And when the revolution comes, We'll kill you all with knives and guns, Bourgeoisie, Bourgeoisie."

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posted July 27, 2007 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have you fact-checked any of this? No? Yeah, I didn't think so. Just trust it because WND says so. They don't have any subversive agenda or anything, and they're certainly not biased.

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posted July 27, 2007 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps you'll like the Hillary...I'm not a Liberal story better from this source acoustic.

Sometimes I think I should just adopt the leftist habit of "not needin any stinkin facts".

Hillary said it.

The Progressives are hard core Socialists.

The Progressive Caucus was and still is tied to the Democrat Socialists of America.

At one time, the press was NOT so far left as they are now and referred to the "progressive caucus as the "red army.

When you see a statement in quotation marks acoustic, it means it's a direct quote from whomever it's attributed to...and not a paraphrase of what they said.

I know acoustic, you're waiting to read Hillary's statement in the NY Times...the paper most Americans don't trust to tell the truth.

Tuesday, July 24, 2007
Hillary Clinton: I’m Not a Liberal


Hillary Clinton: I’m Not a Liberal
Presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton ran away from the "liberal” tag during Monday night’s Democratic debate, claiming instead that she is a "progressive.”

Early on in the CNN/YouTube-sponsored debate, a California resident posed these questions on his video: "Mrs. Clinton, how would you define the word ‘liberal’? And would you use this word to describe yourself?”

Hillary answered: "You know, it is a word that originally meant that you were for freedom, that you were for the freedom to achieve, that you were willing to stand against big power and on behalf of the individual.

"Unfortunately, in the last 30, 40 years, it has been turned up on its head and it's been made to seem as though it is a word that describes big government, totally contrary to what its meaning was in the 19th and early 20th century.

"I prefer the word ‘progressive,’ which has a real American meaning, going back to the progressive era at the beginning of the 20th century.

"I consider myself a modern progressive, someone who believes strongly in individual rights and freedoms, who believes that we are better as a society when we're working together and when we find ways to help those who may not have all the advantages in life get the tools they need to lead a more productive life for themselves and their family.

"So I consider myself a proud modern American progressive, and I think that's the kind of philosophy and practice that we need to bring back to American politics.”
CNN host Anderson Cooper said: "So you wouldn't use the word ‘liberal,’ you'd say ‘progressive.’ He then asked former Sen. Mike Gravel: "Are you a liberal?”
Gravel replied: "I wouldn't use either word” – and changed the subject.

The liberal group Americans for Democratic Action gave Hillary a 95 percent "liberal quotient” last year, among the highest ratings in the Senate.
http://reagangahagan.blogspot.com/2007/07/hillary-clinton-im-not-liberal.html

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posted July 27, 2007 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"by JustaProgressive 7/24/2007 11:59:01 AM
I am proud to be a Clinton Democrat (aka Progressive). "

http://hillaryclinton.com/blog/view/?id=10462

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posted July 27, 2007 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, I saw when Hillary made those statements.

What I was referring to was the link between Progressives and Socialists. Frankly, I think such suppositions are paranoid, especially the assumption that Progressives are out to destroy America. Where you and yours are concerned, a Progressive could say literally anything, and whether it's a good idea or a bad idea it's automatically assumed bad based on the source. It's a very close-minded, paranoid approach.

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posted July 28, 2007 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
demoscats...just a bunch of commies and socialists. How far the Democratic Party has fallen. There was a time in America when Democrats loved America. The current crop of demoscats despise America and everything America stands for and always did stand for.

The real question is how anyone could be so brain dead as to not know that with few exceptions, the demoscat party is a party of radical leftists/socialists and communists posing as Democrats, Liberals and so called Progressives.

Progressives=Socialists and Communists
Progressives DOES NOT=Liberals

Oh wait, there may be some here who won't believe that unless or until Hillary wispers directly in their ear..."I'm a socialist, I've always been a socialist and I'm now using the label "Progressive" because the stench coming off socialists and their communist cousins is overpowering to the nostrils of almost all Americans."


Here's another clue for leftists. The United States is not a Democracy. The United States IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.

It's difficult to understand how anyone could grow up in the United States and remain unaware the US Constitution guarantees a REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT TO EVERY STATE IN THE UNION. Unless of course, they're brain dead. Socialism and democracy is totally at odds with a REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT and the US Constitution.

US Constitution, Article 4, Section 4
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."

The US Constitution doesn't say a damned word about guaranteeing a little socialist/communist/progressive gulag for the states or the people.

DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS OF AMERICA (DSA)

"Describing itself as "the principal U.S. affiliate of the Socialist International," the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is the largest socialist organization in the United States. "We are socialists,"

"Democracy and socialism go hand in hand. All over the world, wherever the idea of democracy has taken root, the vision of socialism has taken root as well—everywhere but in the United States."

""Like our friends and allies in the feminist, labor, civil rights, religious, and community organizing movements, many of us have been active in the Democratic Party," says DSA. "We work with those movements to strengthen the party's left wing, represented by the CongressionalProgressive Cacus"

"Until 1999, DSA hosted the website of the Progressive Caucus. Following a subsequent expose of the link between the two entities, the Progressive Caucus established its own website under the auspices of Congress. But DSA and the Progressive Caucus remain intimately linked. All 58 Progressive Caucus members also belong to DSA. In addition to these members of Congress, other prominent DSA members include Noam Chomsky, Ed Asner, Gloria Steinem, and Cornel West, who serves as the organization's honorary Chair."
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6428

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posted July 29, 2007 12:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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But DSA and the Progressive Caucus remain intimately linked. All 58 Progressive Caucus members also belong to DSA.

I would challenge anyone, and especially the writer of Discover The Network to prove this claim. Of course I don't suppose anyone here, nor anyone at Discover the Network has means of doing that. As such it's really particularly difficult to link Socialists to Progressives. Sorry Jwhop.

Here's the "Progressive Promise" page of the Progressive caucus. To me, it appears vastly different from a promise for Socialism in America, and no where remotely close to a call for the type of Socialism that's been disasterous in the past. Clinton isn't a name on their member list.

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The real question is how anyone could be so brain dead as to not know that with few exceptions, the demoscat party is a party of radical leftists/socialists and communists posing as Democrats, Liberals and so called Progressives.

I truly believe you're on the wrong side of this equation. A person being a Democrat does not automatically subject them to the idealogies represented by your labels for them. It's like people wanting to ban breeds of dogs despite the fact that a good portion of these dogs aren't violent (as well as the fact that the violent dogs are often the result of how they were raised).

And f--- you once again on saying that these people hate America. If they hated it, they would leave it. They're not leaving. They're trying to mature the country guided by vision as well as the principles of those who came before us. America, I think, will return to glory, but it won't if people aren't moral and aren't vigilant. That's really what it comes down to. It doesn't require being of a certain party to facilitate this. All that is required is the relentless pursuit of doing good. That's it.

(That's not to say that the job isn't a nuanced one chock full of dilemma, but the key is seeing the issue clearly and finding the best route.)

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