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jwhop
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posted September 18, 2007 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think Hillary understands the role assigned to the United States government by the United States Constitution.

Hillary wants to REQUIRE every American to buy health insurance.

There is absolutely no doubt Hillary is the Marxist/communist her poly sci professor said she is....not to mention she is a brain dead twit who is clueless about the role of government in the United States.

Interview: Clinton on health care By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 28 minutes ago

WASHINGTON -

Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said Tuesday that a mandate requiring every American to purchase health insurance was the only way to achieve universal health care but she rejected the notion of punitive measures to force individuals into the health care system.

"At this point, we don't have anything punitive that we have proposed," the presidential candidate said in an interview with The Associated Press. "We're providing incentives and tax credits which we think will be very attractive to the vast majority of Americans."

She said she could envision a day when "you have to show proof to your employer that you're insured as a part of the job interview — like when your kid goes to school and has to show proof of vaccination," but said such details would be worked out through negotiations with Congress.......
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070918/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_ap_interview_6

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I read that in the paper this morning too. I really DISLIKE it when politicians tell me I am going to be REQUIRED by law to have insurance. I know plenty of people without car insurance even though that's a LAW to have it too. If you don't have the money to afford to buy it, car or health, making it illegal not to have it does not give you the money to buy it. You can't get blood from a turnip you know.

Maybe if the congresspeople all had to buy theirs like the rest of us instead of getting it paid for by my tax dollars, they would have a better understanding of the mess that is "health insurance"

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like when your kid goes to school and has to show proof of vaccination

Guess Hillary isn't familiar with the medical and religious exemption for vaccinations...

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posted September 18, 2007 04:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An article I read last night:

Clinton unveils health care plan in Iowa
By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent
Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:17pm EDT


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic presidential contender Hillary Clinton, whose first attempt at a health care overhaul fell flat 13 years ago, unveiled a broad proposal on Monday to require health insurance for all Americans and make it more affordable.

The proposal would mandate coverage for 47 million uninsured Americans but maintain a role for private insurance companies in what she said would be a simplified system with more choices for consumers.

"It is time for us to come together and start living up to our values, to provide quality affordable health care for every single American," the New York senator said in a speech in the early voting state of Iowa.

Clinton is the last of the top Democratic candidates to roll out all of her proposals for an overhaul of the health care system and coverage for uninsured Americans, one of the prime issues in the November 2008 White House race.

Her plan includes individual mandates for coverage of all Americans, similar to the plan by rival John Edwards but not included in Illinois Sen. Barack Obama's proposal.

It also provides tax credits for Americans who cannot afford insurance and small businesses straining to provide it, offers more choices for coverage, ends discrimination based on pre-existing conditions and expands Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program.

Clinton's advisers said the plan would cost about $110 billion a year, paid for through a combination of cost savings and the expiration of some of President George W. Bush's tax cuts for the most wealthy.

The plan is less dramatic than Clinton's failed 1994 initiative, when her husband Bill Clinton was president. She said she learned from that proposal, which was seen as overly bureaucratic and required employers to provide coverage through tightly regulated health maintenance organizations.

"This is not government run. There will be no more bureaucracy. This plan expands personal choice and increases competition to keep costs down," she said. "These are new times and this is a new plan."

RIVALS QUICKLY CRITICIZE PLAN

But it drew quick criticism from Republicans, who called it more of the same, and from Democratic rivals unimpressed with her claims to have learned from past failures.

"While she talks about the political scars she bears, the personal scars borne by the American people are far greater," said Democratic rival Chris Dodd, a Connecticut senator.

"The mismanagement of the effort in 1993 and 1994 has set back our ability to move toward universal health care immeasurably," he said.

Edwards, a former senator from North Carolina, vowed to submit legislation on his first day in office ending health care coverage for the president and members of Congress in mid-2009 unless a universal health care plan was approved by then.

"Actually bringing change starts with telling the truth, and the truth is the system in Washington has been hijacked for the benefit of corporate profits and the very wealthiest," Edwards said in Chicago.

Republicans called Clinton's proposal another big-government fix to the health care problem.

"If you've seen the report this morning on the latest version of Hillarycare, you'll see that version 2.0 is not like to have any more success than 1.0," former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney told reporters in New York. "Hillarycare continues to be bad medicine."

Clinton leads the Democratic 2008 contenders in national polls, but is embroiled in a tight three-way battle in the key state of Iowa with Obama and Edwards.

Obama commended Clinton's proposal but said his plan would go further by reducing the costs of health care, and said he would be able to develop a political environment that could bring about change.

"The real key to passing any health care reform is the ability to bring people together in an open, transparent process that builds a broad consensus for change," Obama said. ~Source


*Wonder if there will be a religious exclusion here too?
Many people DO NOT believe in seeking medical treatment at all.
Can you imagine being forced to pay for health care insurance you have no intention of ever using because of religious beliefs...
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posted September 18, 2007 11:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't like it when the government "requires" me to do anything.

I don't like Hillary Clinton either.

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posted September 19, 2007 12:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, socialism in any form is no-good. And Hillary is on the CFR, which is all ya really need to know about that, I think.

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posted September 19, 2007 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, Hillary says a lot of things; most of it Marxist drivel.

Like: "We will take the profits of big oil companies and use the money to fund alternative energy".

Take oil company profits???

And if Hillary and her merry little band of Marxist loons, morons and idiots take oil company profits.....then why the hell would oil companies explore for new oil deposits? Why would oil companies bother to drill oil wells, build oil pipelines, ship crude oil, refine oil into gasoline, diesel and a thousand other liquids and other useful products? So Hillary and other demented loon Marxists can steal the fruits of their labors...and capital...called profits? Better to lay everyone off, stay home, play golf, keep that capital in the account, risk nothing, build nothing, hire no one, lease no building space, or tankers or anything else....than to work their as$es off....so Hillary and the other demented loon Marxists can steal their profits.

This woman is really screwed up but she's right on the same page with other demented loon Marxists.

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I doubt she's a communist. Some communist countries do not even make you pay anything when it comes to medical needs.

I wouldn't trust her or anyone else who is running.

I am sick of the promises.

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posted September 20, 2007 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All you have to do...to be a good little communist is do everything they tell you to do every time they tell you to do it.

Communists will tell you when you can talk, what you can say, what you cannot say, where you can work, what kind of work you can do, where you can shop, what you can buy...which is nothing since it's all FREE, what medical procedures you may have, what physican you may see, where you can live, what transportation you may use and every damned thing else communists can dream up to keep a population under their total control.Communists will even tell you what the range of acceptable thought happens to be on any subject.

It takes nothing at all to be a good little communist. The one thing you must never do is actually THINK.

Hillary is a Marxist, a devotee of Karl Marx and his loony bin, fruit loops theories of government and economics. As a Marxist, Hillary is automatically a socialist/communist.

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posted September 20, 2007 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


Ann Coulter

IS THERE A TRIAL LAWYER IN THE HOUSE?
September 19, 2007

The only "crisis" in health care in this country is that doctors are paid too little. (Also they've come up with nothing to help that poor Dennis Kucinich.)

But the Democratic Party treats doctors like they're Klan members. They wail about how much doctors are paid and celebrate the trial lawyers who do absolutely nothing to make society better, but swoop in and steal from the most valuable members of society.

Maybe doctors could get the Democrats to like them if they started suing their patients.

It's only a matter of time before the best and brightest students forget about medical school and go to law school instead. How long can a society based on suing the productive last?

You can make 30 times as much money as doctors by becoming a trial lawyer suing doctors. You need no skills, no superior board scores, no decade of training and no sleepless residency. But you must have the morals of a drug dealer. (And the bank wire transfer number to the Democratic National Committee.)

The editors of The New York Times have been engaging in a spirited debate with their readers over whether doctors are wildly overpaid or just hugely overpaid. The results of this debate are available on TimeSelect, for just $49.95.

"Many health care economists," the Times editorialized, say the partisan wrangling over health care masks a bigger problem: "the relatively high salaries paid to American doctors."

Citing the Rand Corp., the Times noted that doctors in the U.S. "earn two to three times as much as they do in other industrialized countries." American doctors earn about $200,000 to $300,000 a year, while European doctors make $60,000 to $120,000. Why, that's barely enough for Muslim doctors in Britain to buy plastic explosives to blow up airplanes!

How much does Pinch Sulzberger make for driving The New York Times stock to an all-time low? Probably a lot more than your podiatrist.

In college, my roommate was in the chemistry lab Friday and Saturday nights while I was dancing on tables at the Chapter House. A few years later, she was working 20-hour days as a resident at Mount Sinai doing liver transplants while I was frequenting popular Upper East Side drinking establishments. She was going to Johns Hopkins for yet more medical training while I was skiing and following the Grateful Dead. Now she vacations in places like Rwanda and Darfur with Doctors Without Borders while I'm going to Paris.

(Has anyone else noticed the nonexistence of a charitable organization known as "Lawyers Without Borders"?)

She makes $380 for an emergency appendectomy, or one-ten-thousandth of what John Edwards made suing doctors like her, and one-fourth of what John Edwards' hairdresser makes for a single shag cut.

Edwards made $30 million bringing nonsense lawsuits based on junk science against doctors. To defend themselves from parasites like Edwards, doctors now pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical malpractice insurance every year.

But as the Times would note, doctors in Burkina Faso only get $25 and one goat per year.

As long as we're studying the health care systems of various socialist countries, are we allowed to notice that doctors in these other countries aren't constantly being sued by bottom-feeding trial lawyers stealing one-third of the income of people performing useful work like saving lives?

But the Democrats (and Fred Thompson) refuse to enact tort reform legislation to rein in these charlatans. After teachers and welfare recipients, the Democrats' most prized constituency is trial lawyers. The ultimate Democrat constituent would be a public schoolteacher on welfare who needed an abortion and was suing her doctor.

Doctors graduate at the top of their classes at college and then spend nearly a decade in grueling work at medical schools. Most doctors don't make a dime until they're in their early 30s, just in time to start paying off their six-figure student loans by saving people's lives. They have 10 times the IQ of trial lawyers and 1,000 times the character.

Yeah, let's go after those guys. On to nuns next!

But Times' readers responded to the editorial about doctors being overpaid with a slew of indignant letters -- not at the Times for making such an idiotic argument, but at doctors who earn an average of $200,000 per year. Letter writers praised the free medical care in places like Spain. ("Nightmare" in the Ann Coulter dictionary is defined as "having a medical emergency in Spain.")

One letter-writer proposed helping doctors by having the government take over another aspect of the economy -- the cost of medical education:

"If we are to restructure the system by which we pay doctors to match Europe, which seems prudent as well as inevitable, we must also finance education as Europeans do, by using state dollars to finance the full or majority cost of higher education, including professional school."

And then to reduce the cost of medical school, the government could finance "the full or majority cost" of construction costs of medical schools, and "the full or majority cost" of the trucks that bring the cement to the construction site and the "the full or majority cost" of coffee that the truck drivers drink while hauling the cement and ... it makes my head hurt.

I may have to see a doctor about this. I should probably get on the waiting list now in case Hillary gets elected.

That's how liberals think: To fix an industry bedeviled by government controls, we'll spread the coercion to yet more industries!

The only sane letter on the matter, I'm happy to report, came from the charming town of New Canaan, Conn., which means that I am not the only normal person who still reads the Times. Ray Groves wrote:

"Last week, I had the annual checkup for my 2000 Taurus. I paid $95 per hour for much needed body work. Next month, when I have my own annual physical, I expect and hope to pay a much higher rate to my primary care internist, who has spent a significant portion of his life training to achieve his position of responsibility."

There is nothing more to say.
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posted September 20, 2007 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The ultimate Democrat constituent would be a public schoolteacher on welfare who needed an abortion and was suing her doctor.
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That plan better be less then 100 dollars a month. I'm not a Hilton girl who has money coming out of my a$$.

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posted September 21, 2007 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Think about dem-o-scat poster people...those who are morally superior...and therefore cannot be criticized for anything.

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She's not a communist!!!!!!! She's a lesbian


I'm No Lesbian, Clinton Says
White House Hopeful Says Rumors Not True

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Nope, she's not gay. That's what Hillary Clinton will make official in The Advocate, a gay magazine, according to a story in Friday's editions of The New York Daily News.

Sean Kennedy, an editor with the magazine, asked during an interview with Clinton, "How do you respond to the occasional rumor that you're a lesbian?"

"People say a lot of things about me, so I really don't pay any attention to it," Clinton said in response, the Daily News reported.
Click here to find out more!

"It's not true, but it is something that I have no control over. People will say what they want to say," she said in an interview due to be published next week.

"I 100 percent believe she's a straight, heterosexual woman," Kennedy told the Daily News.

Clinton Calls Cheney 'Darth Vader'

Clinton drew laughs Wednesday during a question and answer event at Manhattan's Town Hall when she likened Vice President Dick Cheney to the masked evildoer in the "Star Wars" movies.

Referring to Cheney as "Darth Vader," she told listeners, "It will be refreshing, I think, to have a president who will actually utter the words 'global warming."'

She was answering questions posed by former Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack in front of an audience of hundreds of donors. Onlookers paid at least $50 to attend the question-and-answer fundraiser, which also featured retired Gen. Wesley Clark.

Vilsack, briefly a contender for the Democratic nomination this year, has since dropped out and endorsed Clinton, who has been helping him whittle down a campaign debt of more than $400,000. Clinton representatives have said there was no connection between the fundraising and the endorsement.

Leads In California

In a new round of polling out of California, Clinton is leading among Democrats in the Golden State's presidential primary, while Rudy Giuliani is slightly ahead of his three major Republican rivals.

The new poll was sponsored by the Public Policy Institute of California.

Clinton has the support of 41 percent of likely Democratic primary voters, according to the survey, which was taken over a seven-day period following the Labor Day weekend and released Thursday. Her closest rival is Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, who has 23 percent. Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards is at 14 percent.

The poll shows Republican voters to be more divided. Giuliani, the former mayor of New York City, is slightly ahead of the GOP pack, with 22 percent of likely primary voters saying they will support him.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney is at 16 percent, as is former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson, who only recently joined the race. Arizona Sen. John McCain is at 15 percent. The margin of error is plus or minus 5 percentage points.

Distributed by Internet Broadcasting Systems, Inc. The Associated Press contributed to this report. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. http://www.local10.com/politics/14173604/detail.html

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The only reason Hillary doesn't have an F afer her name..F for Felon..is because she hid her Rose Law Firm billing records from federal prosecutors...in the White House on a table in the entry way to the private quarters.

Once-secret memos question Clinton's honesty
By Jerry Seper
May 8, 2008

A decade before Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton admitted fudging the truth during the presidential campaign, federal prosecutors quietly assembled hundreds of pages of evidence suggesting she concealed information and misled a federal grand jury about her work for a failing Arkansas savings and loan at the heart of the Whitewater probe, according to once-secret documents that detail the internal debates over whether she should have faced criminal charges.

Ordinarily, such files containing grand jury evidence and prosecutors' deliberations are never made public. But the estate of Sam Dash, a lifelong Democrat who served as the ethics adviser to Whitewater Independent Counsel Kenneth W. Starr, donated his documents from the infamous 1990s investigation to the Library of Congress after his 2004 death, unwittingly injecting into the public domain much of the testimony and evidence gathered against Mrs. Clinton from former law partners, White House aides and other witnesses.

The documents, reviewed by The Washington Times, identify numerous instances in which prosecutors questioned Mrs. Clinton's honesty, an issue that continues to dog her on the campaign trail after she was forced to acknowledge earlier this year exaggerating a story about coming under sniper fire as first lady during a visit to Bosnia in 1996.

For instance, the papers say prosecutors thought Mrs. Clinton first concealed her legal representation of Madison Guaranty Savings and Loan Association — and the money she made doing it — during the 1992 presidential campaign when she and her husband, then-Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton, came under fire in a questionable Arkansas real estate project known as Whitewater.

Beginning in March 1992 and continuing over the next several years, Mrs. Clinton steadfastly denied that she ever "earned a penny" in representing her Rose Law Firm clients, including the failing thrift's owners, James and Susan McDougal — the Clintons' partners in the Whitewater Development Corp. project.

But the newly discovered records, more than 1,100 pages in 30 separate documents, tell a different story.

A June 1998 draft indictment of Mrs. Clinton's Rose firm partner Webster L. Hubbell, who followed the Clintons to Washington in 1993 as associate attorney general, said Mrs. Clinton did legal work for Madison "continuously" from April 1985 to July 1986. It also said she represented the thrift before the Arkansas Securities Department for approval to issue preferred stock, helped Madison obtain a questionable broker-dealer license to sell the stock and was actively involved in a failed Madison project known as Castle Grande.

The draft indictment clearly asserts that Mrs. Clinton, despite her denials, represented Madison and its projects "in a series of real estate and financial transactions." A separate 183-page report included in the Dash documents said Mr. Hubbell and Mrs. Clinton "concealed from federal investigators the true nature of their work" with Madison and its various entities.

Clinton campaign spokesman Jay Carson disputed the allegations.

"This is a baseless accusation which was looked into over a decade ago in an investigation that took $71.5 million and eight years to determine there was no case," he said.

But exit polls from Tuesday's North Carolina and Indiana primaries found that about half of the voters in each state said they didn't find Mrs. Clinton "honest and trustworthy."

Mrs. Clinton misspoke in March when she claimed she had come under sniper fire during a trip to Bosnia in 1996. She said she and her daughter, Chelsea, ran for cover under hostile fire shortly after her plane landed in Tuzla. She later admitted to making a "mistake."

The Library of Congress documents have not been released publicly. A library official said they are still be "processed."

In April 1998, Whitewater prosecutors, divided over Mrs. Clinton's truthfulness, argued over whether to indict her on charges of lying under oath about her legal work for Madison. Lawyers and others close to the probe said a draft indictment of the first lady became "a work in progress" after Mrs. Clinton's January 1996 grand jury appearance in U.S. District Court in Washington.

Prosecutors concluded at the time, the sources said, that she had testified falsely in denying doing legal work in the Castle Grande venture.

"There is concern among some about how successful they might be in bringing a criminal indictment against Mrs. Clinton for obvious reasons, but there is no lack of desire to do so," one lawyer familiar with the probe said at the time. The lawyer said the decision rested on two major points: whether there was sufficient evidence to contradict her sworn testimony and, more importantly, whether prosecutors could win the case in court.

No indictment was sought, but Whitewater prosecutors noted at the time, according to the Dash documents, that sworn statements by Mrs. Clinton were contradictory and misleading and that her involvement with Madison"s failed real estate project known as Castle Grande project was only fully detailed with the discovery of her Rose firm billing record summaries in the White House living quarters in January 1996 — two years after they had been subpoenaed.

A week before the summaries were found, the Resolution Trust Corp. (RTC) said in a Dec. 28, 1995, report it had little information on Mrs. Clinton's ties to Madison or Castle Grande. After their discovery, the agency concluded Mrs. Clinton was more involved with the two entities than was previously known.

The summaries said Mrs. Clinton billed Madison for 60 hours of legal work, spoke with Madison officials about the Castle Grande project on 14 occasions, discussed legal matters with Madison's owners — the McDougals — 16 times, had 28 meetings with Rose firm lawyers on Madison, and met with state regulators about Madison at least twice.

At the time, Madison was seeking help from Mrs. Clinton's Rose Law Firm in Little Rock to fend off state and federal regulators concerned that the thrift was insolvent. Madison also wanted to jump-start a questionable preferred stock deal to pump much-needed cash into the operation and was desperate to keep the government from shutting it down.

In December 1995, the Senate Whitewater Committee also made public handwritten notes of a telephone conversation that contradicted assertions made by Mrs. Clinton during the 1992 presidential race that she had little participation in the legal representation of Madison when state and federal regulators were deciding whether to shut it down.

The notes, by New York lawyer Susan Thomases, one of the first lady's closest advisers, said Mrs. Clinton had numerous conferences with officials at Madison, that she reviewed documents, that she made calls to discuss a preferred stock plan aimed at keeping the failing thrift afloat, and that "she did all the billing."

The committee released 350 pages of Madison files that said Mrs. Clinton, according to the billing summaries, had made significant claims on the thrift for legal services, and at one point was listed exclusively as the billing attorney. The summary is all that remains, since the original Rose firm billing records for Madison disappeared.

In May 1995, as the Whitewater investigation expanded into separate probes by Senate and House committees, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. (FDIC), the RTC and a federal grand jury, Mrs. Clinton denied in sworn affidavits any knowledge of a Madison real estate project known as Castle Grande, saying she had "no recollection" of doing legal work for the 1,050-acre development.

Madison was closed in 1989 at a cost to taxpayers of $70 million. Castle Grande failed at a taxpayers' loss of $4 million.

Another major area of concern, authorities said, was an option agreement regulators said "facilitated" a questionable $300,000 payment to Seth Ward, the Madison official to whom Mrs. Clinton had spoken about Castle Grande. The agreement was written by Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Hubbell and guaranteed Mr. Ward a payoff and negated his liability in the project. While the option was never exercised, it disguised the reason for the payment and created a paper trail to justify the outlay to Mr. Ward, who was Mr. Hubbell's father-in-law.

Mrs. Clinton told the RTC in May 1995 she had no memory of providing legal services for Mr. Ward and said in a sworn statement she did not know the Castle Grande name, thinking the project was called IDC even though the Castle Grande name was widely associated with the site.

Not truthful

According to the Dash documents on Whitewater, investigators also challenged Mrs. Clinton's public statements on what she knew at the time of Mr. Hubbell's March 1994 Justice Department resignation. Mrs. Clinton told reporters she thought he quit over an "internal billing dispute" with his former Rose firm partners that "likely would be resolved."

But the records said that three months before the resignation, Mrs. Clinton had been told by another Rose firm partner, Allen Bird, that Mr. Hubbell's "billing problems were very serious" and documents released during the Senate Whitewater hearings in 1996 said that two weeks before Mr. Hubbell resigned, Mrs. Clinton was notified formally that her former law partner was involved in a conflict-of-interest investigation and he might have lied in a sworn statement to federal regulators.

The Dash records also state that Mr. Hubbell's extensive role in a conflict in the Rose firm's representation of Madison and his testimony under oath to the RTC had meticulously been described in a March 1, 1994, memo written by White House Associate Counsel W. Neil Eggleston and forwarded to Mrs. Clinton by White House Deputy Chief of Staff Harold Ickes.

The records said Mr. Eggleston's seven-page memo described concerns by the RTC and the FDIC on whether the Rose firm had disclosed its prior legal representation of Madison in an FDIC lawsuit against the thrift's former auditors and whether Mr. Hubbell had disclosed his relationship with Mr. Ward in Castle Grande.

Mr. Eggleston's memo, according to the records, said the RTC had concluded the Rose firm disclosed neither the prior representation nor Mr. Hubbell's relationship, noting that an "ultimate finding" of nondisclosure would mean that "Mr. Hubbell was not truthful in his recollection." Mr. Eggleston said a finding against the firm would mean that it was "permanently barred from any further work for the RTC or the FDIC (and possibly other banking regulators.)"

He also said that while it was "not clear" whether the FDIC or the RTC would review the accusations under an actual conflict standard, there was the possibility of sanctions in the case, including "criminal liability," the records said.

The records also said Whitewater investigators were concerned that Mrs. Clinton played a key role in helping Mr. Hubbell obtain consulting contracts after his March 14, 1994, Justice Department resignation.

In a report titled "Hubbell Hush Money Summary," Whitewater investigators said that a day before Mr. Hubbell quit, Mrs. Clinton and other top administration officials met privately at the White House to arrange for him to receive hundreds of thousands of dollars in consulting fees at a time his cooperation in the Whitewater probe could have resulted in charges against the then-first lady.

The records said Mrs. Clinton took an active role in White House efforts to "take care of" Mr. Hubbell financially, helping to locate campaign supporters who divvied up more than $450,000 over the next nine months mostly for consulting work he never did.

In 1997, Mr. Starr subpoenaed White House records to determine whether the consulting fees were intended to guarantee Mr. Hubbell's silence in the Whitewater probe. Mr. Starr also wanted to know whether the White House had sought or directed the payments.

An Oct. 22, 1998, report said Mr. Hubbell's fees were arranged through "high administration officials or advisors," including Mrs. Clinton, whom was described as "the direct impetus for at least one client." Others who helped were identified as White House Chief of Staff Thomas F. "Mack" McLarty; former Democratic National Committee Chairman Truman Arnold; Washington lawyer Vernon Jordan; Small Business Administration Chairman Erskine Bowles, a former White House chief of staff; and U.S. Trade Representative Mickey Kantor, the Clinton-Gore campaign chairman in 1992 who later served as commerce secretary.

An April 21, 1998, report questioned why White House officials would choose to "support Hubbell and take care of him" at a time "[Mrs. Clinton] was on notice that Hubbell engaged in a widespread pattern and practice of cheating the [Rose Law Firm]." The report said a "sinister reason" could be Mr. Hubbell knew about Mrs. Clinton's role in doing legal work for Madison and other related companies.

A May 21, 1997, memo, noted that most of the company officials who paid him consulting fees said no work product was ever produced. The report said one employer told investigators the only document Mr. Hubbell produced was "his bill."

Mr. Hubbell pleaded guilty in December 1994 to mail fraud and income-tax evasion in the theft of $482,410 from his Rose firm clients and partners and failing to pay $143,747 in taxes. He was sentenced to 21 months in prison, serving 16 before being released.

The Whitewater probe ended on March 21, 2002, when Independent Counsel Robert W. Ray, who succeeded Mr. Starr, concluded in a final report there was "insufficient evidence" to bring charges against the Clintons. But the report also said statements by the Clintons to investigators were "factually inaccurate" and that White House delays in the production of evidence and the "unmeritorious litigation" by its lawyers "severely impeded the investigation's progress."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080508/NATION/602407036/1001

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Mannu
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posted May 10, 2008 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most new doctors don't make as much as they used to make before. Theres too much overhead in hospital administration, lawsuit claims , etc. And a doctor now spends too much time fighting with insurance companies than sickness of patients.

I am not saying its a good time now and that the past was better. We always have to learn from past and grow.


Anyhow is Hillarys plan communist? Yes it is.
Although her plan of 120 billion is not unrealistic. Instead of taxing most wealthy (because its socialistic), the government should ask for involuntary contribution from these wealthy tax payers (because thats more democratic). These contributions can be tax deductible. For pete's sake the government can work with IRS and make contributions more easily manageable. I also think if the congress really gets their head together, they can file 1040EZ automatically for simple tax payers. That will save millions of dollars. But the lunatic congress won't do all that. They are too busy shooting water pistols at each other in capitol hill LOL


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posted May 10, 2008 12:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd have to say I agree, I don't want to be forced to buy anything. I think we should have socialized medicine as Europe does.

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