posted November 23, 2007 12:51 PM            

The world population is growing by 250k a day, and oil demand grows every day as nations like China and India industrialize.

We are especially oil greedy in the US, with the United States and its population of 300 million people consuming far more oil than China with its population of 1.3 billion people. Global warming aside, oil reserves cannot last forever, hydrogen fuel is shown to have a higher net cost of oil to produce, and nuclear power is environmentally dangerous, and make good terrorism targets.

posted November 23, 2007 03:41 PM              

(as well as the requisite inanity for any thread occupying space in GU )

posted November 24, 2007 07:18 AM              

All hail Discordia.

posted November 24, 2007 11:57 AM            

There are more "known reserves" of oil now...in billions of barrels....than there were in 1950.

There are more "known reserves" of oil now...in billions of barrels....than there were in 1970.

There are more "known reserves" of oil now...in billions of barrels....than there were in 2000.

There are MORE "known oil reserves" existing now than there have ever been...even after all that has been burned.

There are technologies known and proven to convert natural gas to liquid fuels.

There are technologies known and proven to convert coal to liquid fuels. The US has the largest known coal reserves in the world...enough for between 200 and 300 years of US fuel consumption.

There are technologies known and proven to convert oil shale to liquid fuels. The US has the largest known oil shale reserves in the world.

The loony left has rejected every attempt to make the US independent of foreign produced oil.

Loony leftists reject:

Nuclear power..which would reduce US dependence on about 40% of current oil consumption to produce electric power in one fell swoop.

Hydroelectric power...which produces free clean electricity. Seems a snail darter or varigated mugwort would have to swim upstream to find a new home...or perhaps the 8 legged, split toe water spider...the very last known example of this life form on earth makes it's home in the very stream or river which would be backed up to make the lake to feed the turbines to produce free electricity.

Wind power...something Ted Kennedy knows all about being the King of Wind...generally coming from his lower orifice. This loon says he's for non polluting energy sources....but not if a wind turbine farm is to be built off his coastal home...though so far out no one can see it from land. Oh, the sacrifices King Wind will not make...but the rest of us should listen and obey this hypocritical moron.

Long story short. Leftist loons moan, groan, wheeze, whine, scream, shriek and hold their breath until they turn blue about the enviornment and clean...non carbon based energy; but then oppose every proven source of non carbon based clean energy.

France gets about 80% of their electricity from nuclear power plants. Leftist loons would shut down every nuclear power plant in America.

posted November 25, 2007 04:36 PM            

In studies of populations, species that explode like we do, usually have a big crash. We are reaching the carrying capacity of the earth. There's just too many people.

This simply can't be maintained. The droughts, attributed to global warming, are already starting. More powerful hurricanes due to warming ocean waters are destroying forests on a massive scale, which removes a valuable carbon sink. The more people we have, the worse life gets for everyone. If we don't find a way to limit our population, nature is going to.

posted November 25, 2007 06:58 PM              

I think it's about discovering the value of frugality again, which got lost post WWII somewhere along the line. My mother in law talks about what life was like for her growing up. Her mother lived through the depression, and she SAVED everything. When they went through her estate after she died, they found boxes of eyeglasses, a box of "pieces of string to short to tie" (Literally), and canned goods that had been there for decades.

I've thought for awhile now, if there were 6 billion lions running around, people wouldnt' be talking about how it's a matter of food distribution, or birth control etc. People would be talking about how there's just too many freaking lions! Who decides how to limit that though is the question. Like China, and you only get two kids and that's it? That seems very harsh to me. Then though, consider that due to technology, many people, both young, middle aged, and old live that wouldn't have 100 years ago, or even 50 years ago. I think it plays a factor as well.

This is the longest post I've written in a while...I sure am feeling wordy tonight

posted November 25, 2007 07:03 PM              

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It is concidered by some scientist's to be the Sun's recient activity that is the cause, hail to carbon taxes, isnt carbon dioxide what plants need to reproduce and it is a fact that when the earth had a higher concentration of it vegitation was thriving.

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Consider the rate at which we are cutting down and paving over said vegetation that uses carbon dioxide. If we are decreasing the amount of plant matter that utilizes the carbon dioxide and increasing the pollutants this will have an adverse effect on life here for the human animals. Wouldn't you agree?

posted November 25, 2007 09:14 PM              

You Go!!!! Right On!!!

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My point is , we has a people have been conditioned through a specific desighn socially to quietly accept and not ask to many questions and now with the ever increasing power due to fear given to our goverments ,on there own i might add, we are not being heard and if we were to protest it would be concidered a national security issue.
There was a time when we knew our niebours ,a time our vote counted and a promise was acountable for yet in time life has become a race full of medications for every mood, every moment planed in advance,our kids strangers,our elderly procesed like cattle and the warnings un headed by those watching from outside the box.
most on Linda Land i feel exsist outside the perverbial box a comunity onto its self and i hope we will talk has niebours help eachother and in the end maybe just maybe we can change things in little steps.

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posted November 25, 2007 09:25 PM              

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good point goatgirl yet ask why alternative fuels like bio diesel are not being supported by our goverment

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Check out 26Taurus' post on the "war on drugs" and you'd find part of the answer.

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We canot just talk we must encourage alternatives use them share them and prepare

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Exactly. We have to be proactive instead of waiting for someone to save us. We need to do for ourselves and help each other.

From Riki Tiki Tavi by Donovan:

Now everybody who read the Jungle Book knows that
Riki Tivi Tavi was a mongoose who killed snakes
And when I was a young man I was led to believe
There were organizations to kill my snakes for me
I.e. the Church, i.e. the government, i.e. the school
But when I got a little older
I learned I had to kill them myself.

posted November 25, 2007 10:12 PM              

I realized something a while back. We do our best each day. Sometimes that best is better than other days. The point is to keep doing your best.

So that's what I do, and if I touch someone, then that makes it all worthwhile.

Peace,
GG

posted November 26, 2007 11:59 AM            

The reason...along with the rising amount of corn allocated to fuel production comes a sharp spike in corn prices to the degree the poor in Mexico and South America can not afford to buy the most basic food in their normal diet.

The land needed to produce....biomass is the same land now in food production. BTW, the burning of bio diesel produces CO2...as does ethanol..not to mention the CO2 produced in the production process...or from the use of electricity to power the production process.

Further, none of these so called alternate fuels have the heat energy of gasoline. This means more..in some cases quite a bit more alternate fuel must be burned to produce the same amount of useable power.

It's a hungry world in some parts of the world so let's be sure to convert productive food crop land to the production of alternative energy fuels.

Let's forget about clean nuclear power.

Let's forget about clean hydroelectric power.

Let's forget about clean wind power.

None of those satisfy the need for leftist enviornmentalist whackos to gain political power...which is exactly what these loons are after.

If..these loons had not opposed every attempt to make the US independent of foreign produced oil...for the last 40 years...by opposing every existing technology to produce clean energy; the US would be energy independent today.

Yet, these loons moan about man made global warming which is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the human race.

Yes, they moan and wheeze about it but then oppose every form of clean energy which is already within the technological ability of the US to produce NOW.

posted November 28, 2007 12:22 PM            

But in the meantime, how about responding to the facts...if you can.

Here's more fact:

The hottest year on record in the US was 1934...before heavy industrialization swept the US, before all those Evillll SUV's and with a far lower population...rest of the world as well.

The temperature has actually COOLED since 1998 and is in a downtrend. In fact, temperatures are now consistent with year 1983...as shown by satellite photography.

It was warmer in the year 1200 AD than any year in the 20th century...or any year so far in the 21st.