posted January 28, 2008 11:04 AM              

Brattleboro to vote on arresting Bush, Cheney

January 26, 2008

By Susan Smallheer Herald Staff

BRATTLEBORO — Brattleboro residents will vote at town meeting on whether President George Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney should be indicted and arrested for war crimes, perjury or obstruction of justice if they ever step foot in Vermont.

The Brattleboro Select Board voted 3-2 Friday to put the controversial item on the Town Meeting Day warning.

According to Town Clerk Annette Cappy, organizers of the Bush-Cheney issue gathered enough signatures, and it was up to the Select Board whether Brattleboro voters would consider the issue in March.

Cappy said residents will get to vote on the matter by paper balloting March 4.

Kurt Daims, 54, of Brattleboro, the organizer of the petition drive, said Friday the debate to get the issue on the ballot was a good one. Opposition to the vote focused on whether the town had any power to endorse the matter.

"It is an advisory thing," said Daims, a retired prototype machinist and stay-at-home dad of three daughters.

So far, Vermont is the only state Bush hasn't visited since he became president in 2001.

Daims said the most grievous crime committed by Bush and Cheney was perjury — lying to Congress and U.S. citizens about the basis of a war in Iraq.

He said the latest count showed a total of 600,000 people have died in the war.

Daims also said he believed Bush and Cheney were also guilty of espionage for spying on American people and obstruction of justice, for the politically generated firings of U.S. attorneys.

Voting to put the matter on the town ballot were Chairwoman Audrey Garfield and board members Richard Garrant and Dora Boubalis.

Voting against the idea were board members Richard DeGray and Stephen Steidle.

Daims said the names submitted to the town clerk's office were the second wave of signatures the petition drive had to collect, because he had to rewrite the wording of the petition.

He said he gathered nearly 500 signatures in about three weeks, and he said most people he encountered were eager to sign it. He started the petition drive about three months ago.

"Everybody I talked to wanted Bush to go," he said, noting that even members of the local police department supported the drive.

"This is exactly what the charter envisioned as a citizen initiative," Daims said. "People want to express themselves and they want to say how they feel."

He said the idea is spreading: Activists in Louisville, Ky., are spearheading a similar drive, and he said activists were also working in Montague, Mass., a Berkshires town.

The article asked the town attorney to "draft indictments against President Bush and Vice President Cheney for crimes against our Constitution and publish said indictments for consideration by other authorities."

The article goes on to say the indictments would be the "law of the town of Brattleboro that the Brattleboro police ... arrest and detain George Bush and Richard Cheney in Brattleboro, if they are not duly impeached ..."

Daims said people in Brattleboro were willing to "think outside the box" and consider the issue.

Daims had no compunction in comparing Bush and Cheney with one of the most notorious people in history.

"If Hitler were still alive and walked through Brattleboro, I think the local police would arrest him for war crimes," Daims said.

posted January 28, 2008 11:55 AM            

In case you didn't notice the name of this leftist hell hole...the root of the name is brattle. The meaning of which is:

a clattering noise
A rattling or clattering sound

That rattling, clattering sound is the noise made by far too few brain cells bouncing off the interior walls of empty skulls.

posted January 28, 2008 12:20 PM              

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Bush should seize this opportunity. I advise the Prez to immediately mount a trip to Brattleborob with 100 Secret Service agents and 100 US Marshals...and let the morons of this leftist infested no where attempt to arrest him.

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posted January 28, 2008 12:30 PM            

Most Americans don't. Most Americans understand the US is a separate, distinct nation and intend to keep it that way.

If that makes us nationalists, so be it...and you can live with it...or not, just as you choose.

posted January 28, 2008 12:48 PM            

They want to finance multi billion dollar bad power companies in china and build a greener USA . Its like building a multi-million dollar house next to a 100,000 dollar house /slum hahahah.... Does it take a lot to figure out that the earth is round and not flat? What happens in one part of globe has an effect on the other side. Jwhop please grow up.

SM - I am glad you posted this. Trial and possible life sentence of Bush and his people was on my mind for quite a few days. I was hesitating to post it because of being accused of being anti-american.

Truth will not be hidden for long. Even Iranians knows that most Americans don't approve of this president. They are aware of the sentiments of the other group of people in America that excludes Jwhop and his likes

Keep an eye out for Bush and his actions in the middle east in the next few months.
This jerk is upto something.

posted January 29, 2008 04:24 PM            

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In case you didn't notice the name of this leftist hell hole...the root of the name is brattle. The meaning of which is:

a clattering noise
A rattling or clattering sound

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What could one expect from those who live in a town with a name which begins with BRAT and ends with ROB.

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posted January 29, 2008 05:02 PM              

Petition-drive story generates flame war

January 29, 2008

By Susan Smallheer Herald Staff
Brattleboro to vote on arresting Bush, Cheney

BRATTLEBORO — Kurt Daims was a little taken aback Monday at the fierce response outside Brattleboro and Vermont to the successful petition drive he worked on that will let the town vote at Town Meeting on whether President George Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney should be charged with war crimes.

The Brattleboro town office was swamped with calls, e-mails and faxes on Monday, according to town officials, practically all of it negative, said Town Clerk Annette Cappy, who fielded some of the calls.

Cappy said most of the calls went to Town Manager Barbara Sondag, and that the sheer "nastiness" of the calls prompted the town office to stop answering the telephone Monday afternoon and let the calls go to voice mail instead.

"We're getting e-mails and phone calls, nasty, nasty e-mails. I've only a gotten a few," said Cappy said. "You couldn't repeat most of those calls. They are nasty and nasty."

Daims, who has an unlisted telephone number, was immune to most of the outpouring of political vitriol that was largely prompted by a posting on the Internet site, www.drudgereport.com — a conservative-leaning Web site based in Washington, D.C., which is most famous for breaking the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

"I don't think I'm a hero and I'm not a slime bag, either. It is largely symbolic," said Daims, 54, who moved to Brattleboro several years ago from San Francisco. Daims has been working with other people on the petition drive, including other activists who have been pushing for a Vermont resolution in favor of the impeachment of Bush and Cheney.

Daims said he had received about a half dozen "hate e-mails" about the issue that the Brattleboro Select Board voted 3-2 to put on the town meeting warning. The issue will be voted on during all-day secret balloting on March 4.

"I know most people out there are tired of Mr. Bush. The people who are scared are more noisy about it," said Daims, who described himself as an independent, and not affiliated with any political party.

The Brattleboro story prompted the Republican National Committee press office to issue a statement in defense of Bush, despite the advisory or symbolic nature of the vote.

"Any time there's an attack on the president, we send a response," said spokeswoman Blair Latoff.

"It appears that the left wing knows no bounds in their willingness to waste taxpayer dollars to make a futile counterproductive partisan political point. Town people would be much better served by elected officials who sought to solve problems rather than create them," she added.

A story about the controvery, published on the Herald's Web site, quadrupled normal traffic, according to New Media Director Russell Glitman.

Glitman said that the story produced the most hits in the paper's Web site history, outdistancing the story about the "Nor'icane" storm in April 2007, which devastated the city of Rutland.

He said normally there are 10 comments at most posted after a story; in the case of the Brattleboro Bush/Cheney vote, there were more than 475 comments.

And the Web traffic came from all over the country, with Texas and California leading the way, and shrinking the normal Vermont share of Web traffic to a fraction, he said.

The hundreds of e-mails sent to the paper ranged from the obscene and vulgar to the curious and supportive. But the majority of the e-mails questioned the sanity of the residents of Brattleboro and Daims in particular and the legality of the proposal.

More than one e-mailer proposed that Brattleboro, not Bush and Cheney, be tried for treason, and that the state secede — or be kicked out — of the country.

And many promised they would never step foot on Vermont soil again, canceling vacations or deciding not to buy Vermont maple syrup, Vermont cheddar cheese or Vermont ice cream ever again.

And the epithets: jackasses, moonbeams, looney tunes, stupid and "moonbats."

"I'll make note not to visit Vermont … too many moonbats!" wrote Bob Bogart of Chattanooga, Tenn.

"I LOVE your story and HOPE it gets more and more and MORE press!!! If I didn't live in Texas, owned by the Republicans and Bush........I get one started here also!!!!!! They SHOULD be indicted. Counting the reasons why, takes too much time to type," wrote "Renee."

"You're an (blank) for write this asinine article any ways YOU ARE A DUMB (blank)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wrote someone named Mark Praus, address unknown.

"Any state that elects a socialist to congress and then a town plans a vote to impeach the President will never get any support from me. For the past several years, I have not knowingly bought anything the was made in of distributed through Vermont. I will continue this small protest until your state comes to it senses," wrote John D. Dooley of Henderson, Nev.

Jason Gibbs, spokesman for Gov. James Douglas, said that the controversy was nothing compared to the firestorm surrounding Judge Edward Cashman, whose decision in a child sex abuse case two years ago created an enormous response of condemnation.

Gibbs said that the governor's hotline Monday produced about a half-dozen out of state calls, while "thousands and thousands" of calls were received after conservative television commentator Bill O'Reilly sharply criticized Cashman and the state for what they viewed was being soft on pedophiles.

"It ranks very low on the interest meter," Gibbs said of the Brattleboro town meeting item.

Cindy Maguire, chief of the criminal division at the Vermont Attorney General's office, said she doubted that the vote was anything but a political protest, Vermont-style.

Towns do not have the right to file affidavits charging people with crimes, unless they violate some local ordinance, she pointed out.

Maguire, who said she hadn't really researched the matter, said it was unusual, to say the least.

"I've never seen, in my 20 years of practicing criminal law, a town get an arrest warrant for felonious conduct and I'm not even sure what state laws would be at play here," Maguire said. "I don't have enough information."
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posted January 30, 2008 12:46 PM            

I didn't think it necessary to bring up the bloviating airhead moron Howard Dean.

posted January 30, 2008 01:51 PM            

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BTW, is Howard a resident of Brats-Rob?

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No, but it would have been hilarious if he was. Howard is actually in trouble with some of the citizens of Brattleboro: http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles9/Kaminski_Dean-Woody.htm

posted January 31, 2008 01:12 PM            

You aren't even educated to the point you can define common English words.

posted January 31, 2008 01:48 PM            

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You aren't "clever" enough to recognize anything "clever" acoustic...if that's what you thought my purpose happened to be.

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posted January 31, 2008 05:23 PM            

"if you represent so much US views, why don't you run for congress? a lack of balls? are you worried you might not get elected? LOOSER!
and do not insult me in your answer, that might scare some of your potential voters"

posted February 01, 2008 08:39 AM              

pidaua you're selective in your google search. i googled it myself yesterday. so praecipua is a star and leo minor is a constellation.

i'm sure you can make the difference between constellation and star...

also the description is the following:

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History of the star: A star in the Lesser Lion Leo Minor. Praecipua is a Latin word meaning head, leader, chief, or first.

Influences of constellation: It gives a generous, noble, peaceable, but fearless nature, with the ability to undertake prominent and responsible positions. (The Fixed Stars and Constellations in Astrology, Vivian E. Robson, 1923, ).

Astrologers believed that the clarity of these stars in Leo Minor, foretold the election of meritorious men. (The New Patterns in the Sky, Julius D.W. Staal 1988).

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so thank you for nagging me, it pushed me to find out more and i like what i find. thanks. but i noticed you either didn't look very deeply or you were looking for something belittling cause this was on the first google page result...

finally i just wonder if you are treating every newbies like that or it's just because somehow you feel threatened by me? why is that? why would you feel threatened by newbies? your ego is that big?

apply to yourself what you preach to other. get over the fact that you don't like me and stop nagging me each time you can. cause i could certainly do the same. trust me i'm excellent at this game!!

if it's my thread about jwhop the problem, then again apply to yourself what you preach and get over it, cause what i did was to express my feelings. and on that you seem to think that we have freedom of speech. but now i got over it. apparently you haven't.

what you are doing is harassment, may be you should read ladyneptune's thread on this topic. someone says it clearly: if it's not right for you then it's harasment. here your attitude towards me is not right for me. so i'm asking you to stop to deliberately nagg me.

as i said, i could do the same but i try to deal with my problems with my psychologist. so if you can't find one speaking english in germany or can't afford it, i suggest you go out and play football or something else. but don't think you can bully me cause i won't let you do it.

or may be you are actually looking for arguments. then in that case jwhop would probably be happy to play with you. unless he got you under his spell and now you can't have a critical eye with him cause you are SCARED he might demolish your argument.

whatever the reason, you made it clear that you don't like me, but now let's be adults, and get over it. (it doesn't remind you something) or keep playing, but not with me, i prefer exchanging with people who bring something to the conversation, not just ventilate continously their anger.

posted February 01, 2008 10:29 AM              

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posted February 01, 2008 11:17 AM            

You're nuts. I have not harrassed you in any way. You come here and start inflammatory threads, bash on people and then end it with 'And don't bash, belittle or even respond to me".

Who in the hell do you think you are? Last time I checked you did not moderate this site nor are you the site owner.

You brought in the "balls" comment first. When you say something you better expect a response.

If anyone is vile or has vile tendancies- well just look in the mirror kid because just about everyone one of your posts has something derogatory in them pointed at another knowflake.

posted February 01, 2008 02:44 PM            

However, they can speak for themselves.

Unlike you acoustic, my friends don't need a support group to prop them up.

posted February 01, 2008 07:02 PM            

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A.G. I JUDGE you as a person who enjoys word games. - Daf

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AG.. I do believe you play word games. It is part of your personality which is charming and infuriating at the same time. -Pidaua

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