posted March 14, 2008 09:45 AM            

Socialism is wholly incompatable with the basic law of the United States...the Constitution, which is a limitation on the power, scope and authority of the Federal Government. Socialism is a system of organized thuggary whereby ALL power is centralized in the State.

The "useful idiots" as Lenin termed those who assist in bringing socialist/communist government to power are the very first group betrayed and liquidated when they succeed.

Ask those who assisted Casto in his so called revolution. When they asked Castro...a communist posing as a reformer...what had happened to their revolution, Castro had them stood against the wall and executed. The very same pattern has repeated in every country where socialists and communists were brought to power by the "useful idiots"...who are no longer needed.

Perhaps it's time those who support Barak Obama and/or Hillary Clinton explain to the rest of us why they would support those representing a system of government which has proved in the 20th century to be the most murderous form of government in the history of earth.

And I can't hardly wait to hear a reasonable, rational, factual explanation from their supporters.

AIM Editor Says Times Damages McCain; Urges Probe of Obama’s Far-left Ties
February 21, 2008

WASHINGTON, February 21, 2008 -- While the New York Times' page one story about Senator John McCain offers no hard evidence that he was involved romantically with a female lobbyist, Accuracy in Media (AIM) editor Cliff Kincaid said today that McCain's relationships with lobbyists, including the one who runs his campaign, should be subjected to scrutiny. "Special interests which try to influence members of the Senate should be exposed," Kincaid said. "That is a job for the media to do."

By the same token, he quickly added, Senator Barack Obama's involvement with a socialist group in Chicago, which has backed his political career, should also be investigated by the media. Kincaid has published several articles on the AIM website www.aim.org about Obama's ties to the Democratic Socialists of America, his mentoring by a known member of the Communist Party, and sponsorship of a pro-U.N. massive foreign aid bill. "But these are not issues for the Times," Kincaid said. "It is obvious that the paper has a double-standard."

posted March 14, 2008 11:16 AM            

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Since as Davis recalls, "Not too long before my arrival, all Democrats were tarred with this same brush by the ruling Republican clique (1992, 323-24). His problems multiplied when it became clear that there were concerted efforts to brand him an outside instigator, and even a Communist. "The local establishment, which evidently had been given a file on me by the FBI, flipped," Davis recalls, "I was a Communist and a subversive and a threat to Hawaii."
http://www2.hawaii.edu/~takara/frank_marshall_davis.htm

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Same Republican tactic. Different day.

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He attacked big business, the HUAC witch hunts, thought control, the loyalty oath, fascism, the Smith Act, white supremacy, Jim Crow, the War Machine, imperialism, racism and prejudice, reactionaries, discrimination on Supreme Court appointees, dictatorships, and ultra-conservative wealthy people. He exposed unemployment, land and housing problems, blacklisting, and the exploitation of minority groups. He espoused freedom, radicalism, solidarity, labor unions, due process, peace, affirmative action, civil rights, Negro History week, and true Democracy to fight imperialism, colonialism, and white supremacy. He urged coalition politics. He called for people to investigate the real threats to democracy, such as big business interests, repression, censorship, thought control, the war machine, anti-communist hysteria, unemployment, reactionaries and fascism, segregation and racism. He called for the ordinary person to fight for democracy, to revise the land and tax laws. He exhorted the people of Hawai`i to wake up from indifference, to challenge police brutality, to support democratic politics, to gain economic power from land reform.
(Same site as above.)

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In the late 1940s and early 1950s, many who were opposed to the status quo were also considered Communist, but this did not deter Davis from continuing his path as a social realist, a militant voice in a gentle land. In a remarkably brave move, he even attacked the HUAC for failing to investigate flagrant abuses of democracy such as restricted housing, and for wasting their time by protecting the interests of big business.

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posted March 14, 2008 12:05 PM            

Being a member of the Communist Party USA is all the qualification necessary to be labeled a communist...just so you know acoustic.

Now, when are you going to give that reasonable, logical, factual explanation for supporting socialists and communists for elective office in the government of the United States?

Obama’s Communist Mentor
AIM Column | By Cliff Kincaid | February 18, 2008

In his biography of Barack Obama, David Mendell writes about Obama's life as a "secret smoker" and how he "went to great lengths to conceal the habit." But what about Obama's secret political life? It turns out that Obama's childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was a communist.

In his books, Obama admits attending "socialist conferences" and coming into contact with Marxist literature. But he ridicules the charge of being a "hard-core academic Marxist," which was made by his colorful and outspoken 2004 U.S. Senate opponent, Republican Alan Keyes.

However, through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his "poetry" and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just "Frank."

The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What's more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several communist-front organizations.

AIM recently disclosed that Obama has well-documented socialist connections, which help explain why he sponsored a "Global Poverty Act" designed to send hundreds of billions of dollars of U.S. foreign aid to the rest of the world, in order to meet U.N. demands. The bill has passed the House and a Senate committee, and awaits full Senate action.

But the Communist Party connection through Davis is even more ominous. Decades ago, the CPUSA had tens of thousands of members, some of them covert agents who had penetrated the U.S. Government. It received secret subsidies from the old Soviet Union.

This "Frank" is none other than Frank Marshall Davis, the black communist writer now considered by some to be in the same category of prominence as Maya Angelou and Alice Walker. In the summer/fall 2003 issue of African American Review, James A. Miller of George Washington University reviews a book by John Edgar Tidwell, a professor at the University of Kansas, about Davis's career, and notes, "In Davis's case, his political commitments led him to join the American Communist Party during the middle of World War II-even though he never publicly admitted his Party membership." Tidwell is an expert on the life and writings of Davis.

The communists knew who "Frank" was, and they know who Obama is. In fact, one academic who travels in communist circles understands the significance of the Davis-Obama relationship.

Professor Gerald Horne, a contributing editor of the Communist Party journal Political Affairs, talked about it during a speech last March at the reception of the Communist Party USA archives at the Tamiment Library at New York University. The remarks are posted online under the headline, "Rethinking the History and Future of the Communist Party."

Horne, a history professor at the University of Houston, noted that Davis, who moved to Honolulu from Kansas in 1948 "at the suggestion of his good friend Paul Robeson," came into contact with Barack Obama and his family and became the young man's mentor, influencing Obama's sense of identity and career moves. Robeson, of course, was the well-known black actor and singer who served as a member of the CPUSA and apologist for the old Soviet Union. Davis had known Robeson from his time in Chicago.

It was in Chicago that Obama became a "community organizer" and came into contact with more far-left political forces, including the Democratic Socialists of America, which maintains close ties to European socialist groups and parties through the Socialist International (SI), and two former members of the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), William Ayers and Carl Davidson.

The SDS laid siege to college campuses across America in the 1960s, mostly in order to protest the Vietnam War, and spawned the terrorist Weather Underground organization. Ayers was a member of the terrorist group and turned himself in to authorities in 1981. He is now a college professor and served with Obama on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago. Davidson is now a figure in the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism, an offshoot of the old Moscow-controlled CPUSA, and helped organize the 2002 rally where Obama came out against the Iraq War.

Both communism and socialism trace their roots to Karl Marx, co-author of the Communist Manifesto, who endorsed the first meeting of the Socialist International, then called the "First International." According to Pierre Mauroy, president of the SI from 1992-1996, "It was he [Marx] who formally launched it, gave the inaugural address and devised its structure..."

In addition to Tidwell's book, Black Moods: Collected Poems of Frank Marshall Davis, confirming Davis's Communist Party membership, another book, The New Red Negro: The Literary Left and African American Poetry, 1930-1946, names Davis as one of several black poets who continued to publish in CPUSA-supported publications after the 1939 Hitler-Stalin non-aggression pact. While blacks such as Richard Wright left the CPUSA, it is not clear if or when Davis ever left the party.

Davis, in his own writings, had said that Robeson and Harry Bridges, the head of the International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU) and a secret member of the CPUSA, had suggested that he take a job as a columnist with the Honolulu Record "and see if I could do something for them." The ILWU was organizing workers there and Robeson's contacts were "passed on" to Davis, Takara writes.

Trevor Loudon, the New Zealand-based blogger who has been analyzing the political forces behind Obama and specializes in studying the impact of Marxist and leftist political organizations, notes that Frank Chapman, a CPUSA supporter, has written a letter to the party newspaper hailing the Illinois senator's victory in the Iowa caucuses.

posted March 14, 2008 01:25 PM            

Those quoted were identified and their sources were also identified. One of which was the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii.

posted March 14, 2008 01:30 PM            

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Yes, but they were NOT provided for personal inspection, and therefore I choose not to trust what I cannot verify myself. There's simply too much possibility of agenda when it comes to making attacks on politicians.

posted March 14, 2008 03:36 PM            

This is a good site to brush up your knowledge: http://www.slp.org/what_is.htm

posted March 15, 2008 08:46 AM            

You're a bigger nut than I already thought you were acoustic...if you think I'm going to do your homework for you.

After all acoustic, you're the one who called Hitler a liar when I showed you...from his own book, in his own words, uttered in the first person singular, a simple declarative sentence..."I am a Socialist"

Hahaha, if you wouldn't believe...or acknowledge that Hitler was a Socialist...when he himself declared himself to be a socialist, well then acoustic, you wouldn't believe or acknowledge O'Bomber if you heard the words out of his own mouth.."I am a Socialist. Nor would you acknowledge that O'Bomber's political mentor is a communist and former member of the Communist Party USA...even if you heard the words straight out of O'Bomber's mouth...my friend and political mentor is a communist and former member of the Communist Party USA".

Neither did you acknowledge the truth about Nelson Mandella, another communist. Not even when I showed you a speech he penned titled "How to be a good Communist". Not even when I showed you a picture of Nelson Mandella standing in front of a communist flag giving the International Communist salute...a clinched fist held above his head. Not even when Mandella was conviced by a South African court of belonging to a communist organization...and I showed you that too.

Face it acoustic, you are so intellectually dishonest that no reasonable discourse can be had with you. However, I do enjoy sticking pins in your many swamp gas filled balloons.

Yep, the demoscat party is now crammed full of socialists/communists/progressives and they're stinking up the joint...like O'Bomber. They...as they were quick to point out...now own the demoscat party, they bought it...with another socialist/communist/progressives money, George Soros money. So says, Move-On-Dot-Org.

Obama’s International Socialist Connections
By Cliff Kincaid | February 14, 2008

The socialist connections of Obama and the Democratic Party have certainly not been featured in the Washington Post columns of Harold Meyerson, who happens not only to be a member but a vice-chair of the DSA.

Campaign workers for Senator and presidential candidate Barack Obama are under fire for displaying a flag featuring communist hero Che Guevara. But Obama has his own controversial socialist connections. He is, in fact, an associate of a Chicago-based Marxist group with access to millions of labor union dollars and connections to expert political consultants, including a convicted swindler.

Obama's socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) for an Illinois state senate seat. Later, the Chicago DSA newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul Mendelson, one of the "champions" of "Chicago's democratic left" and a long-time socialist activist. Obama's stint as a "community organizer" in Chicago has gotten some attention, but his relationship with the DSA socialists, who groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored.

Blogger Steve Bartin, who has been following Obama's career and involvement with the Chicago socialists, has uncovered a fascinating video showing Obama campaigning for openly socialist Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont. Interestingly, Sanders, who won his seat in 2006, called Obama "one of the great leaders of the United States Senate," even though Obama had only been in the body for about two years. In 2007, the National Journal said that Obama had established himself as "the most liberal Senator." More liberal than Sanders? That is quite a feat. Does this make Obama a socialist, too? *** hahaha, O'Bomber is a bigger socialist than the only openly socialist member of the US Senate!***

DSA describes itself as the largest socialist organization in the United States and the principal U.S. affiliate of the Socialist International. The Socialist International (SI) has what is called "consultative status" with the United Nations. In other words, it works hand-in-glove with the world body.

The international connection is important and significant because an Obama bill, "The Global Poverty Act," has just been rushed through the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, with the assistance of Democratic Senator Joe Biden, the chairman, and Republican Senator Richard Lugar. The legislation (S.2433) commits the U.S. to spending hundreds of billions of dollars more in foreign aid on the rest of the world, in order to comply with the "Millennium Goals" established by the United Nations. Conservative members of the committee were largely caught off-guard by the move to pass the Obama bill but are putting a "hold" on it, in order to try to prevent the legislation, which also quickly passed the House, from being quickly brought up for a full Senate vote. But observers think that Senate Democrats may try to pass it quickly anyway, in order to give Obama a precious legislative "victory" that he could run on.

Another group associated with the SI is the Party of European Socialists (PES), which heard from Howard Dean, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, back in 2006. Dean's speech is posted on the official Democratic Party website, although the European socialist parties are referred to as "progressive." Democrats, Dean said, want to be "good citizens of the world community." He spoke at a session on "Global Challenges for Progressive Politics."

Following up, in April 2007, PES President Poul Nyrup Rasmussen reported that European socialists held a meeting "in the Democrats HQ in Washington," met with officials of the party and Democratic members of Congress, and agreed that "PES activist groups" in various U.S. cities would start working together. The photos of the trip show Rasmussen meeting with such figures as Senator Ben Cardin, Senator Bernie Sanders, officials of the Brookings Institution, Howard Dean, and AFL-CIO President John W. Sweeney, a member of the DSA. The Brookings Institution is headed by former Clinton State Department official Strobe Talbott, a proponent of world government who was recently identified in the book Comrade J as having been a pawn of the Russian intelligence service.

The socialist connections of Obama and the Democratic Party have certainly not been featured in the Washington Post columns of Harold Meyerson, who happens not only to be a member but a vice-chair of the DSA. Meyerson, the subject of our 2005 column, "A Socialist at the Washington Post," has praised convicted inside-trader George Soros for manipulating campaign finance laws to benefit the far-left elements of the Democratic Party. Obama's success in the Democratic presidential primaries and caucuses is further evidence of Soros's success. Indeed, Soros has financially contributed to the Obama campaign.

It is not surprising that the Chicago Democrat, Rep. Jan Schakowsky, has endorsed Obama. Schakowsky, who endorsed Howard Dean for president in 2004, was honored in 2000 at a dinner sponsored by the Chicago chapter of the DSA. Her husband, Robert Creamer, emerged from federal prison in November 2006 after serving five months for financial crimes. He pleaded guilty to ripping off financial institutions while running a non-profit group. Before he was convicted but under indictment, Creamer was hired by the Soros-funded Open Society Policy Center to sabotage John Bolton's nomination as Ambassador to the U.N.

After his release from prison, Creamer released a book, Listen to Your Mother: Stand up Straight: How Progressives Can Win, described by one blogger as the book that was "penned in the pen." A blurb for the book declares, "Some people think that in order to win, Democrats need to move to the political center by adopting conservative values and splitting the difference between progressive and conservative positions. History shows they are wrong. To win the next election and to win in the long term, we need to redefine the political center."

In addition to writing the book, Creamer is back in business, running his firm, Strategic Consulting Group, and advertising himself as "a consultant to the campaigns to end the war in Iraq, pass universal health care, change America's budget priorities and enact comprehensive immigration reform." His clients have included the AFL-CIO and MoveOn.org. In fact, his client list is a virtual who's who of the Democratic Party, organized labor, and Democratic Party constituency groups.

Creamer's list of testimonials comes from such figures as Democratic Senators Dick Durbin (Ill.) and Sherrod Brown (Ohio), Harold Meyerson, MoveOn.org founder Wes Boyd, and David Axelrod, a "Democratic political consultant."

posted March 15, 2008 09:13 AM            

Of course none of this should be surprising. After all, O'Bomber's wife recently declared she was proud of America...for the first time in her adult life.

Apparently, nothing has ever happened in America and America has never done anything during her adult life...until now...of which O'Bomber's wife could be proud.

Perhaps the reason O'Bomber's wife hasn't had anything to be proud of...is because..as she says..."America is mean".

Gotta pick up and leave this "mean nest of vipers"...and the sooner, the better.

Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11
Obama's Pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Has a History of What Even Obama's Campaign Aides Say Is 'Inflammatory Rhetoric' By BRIAN ROSS and REHAB EL-BURI
March 13, 2008

Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God damn America."

In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial." He said Rev. Wright "is like an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with," telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.

Rev. Wright married Obama and his wife Michelle, baptized their two daughters and is credited by Obama for the title of his book, "The Audacity of Hope."

An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright's sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.

Sen. Obama told the New York Times he was not at the church on the day of Rev. Wright's 9/11 sermon. "The violence of 9/11 was inexcusable and without justification," Obama said in a recent interview. "It sounds like he was trying to be provocative," Obama told the paper.

Rev. Wright, who announced his retirement last month, has built a large and loyal following at his church with his mesmerizing sermons, mixing traditional spiritual content and his views on contemporary issues.

"I wouldn't call it radical. I call it being black in America," said one congregation member outside the church last Sunday.

"He has impacted the life of Barack Obama so much so that he wants to portray that feeling he got from Rev. Wright onto the country because we all need something positive," said another member of the congregation.

Rev. Wright, who declined to be interviewed by ABC News, is considered one of the country's 10 most influential black pastors, according to members of the Obama campaign.

Obama has praised at least one aspect of Rev. Wright's approach, referring to his "social gospel" and his focus on Africa, "and I agree with him on that."

Sen. Obama declined to comment on Rev. Wright's denunciations of the United States, but a campaign religious adviser, Shaun Casey, appearing on "Good Morning America" Thursday, said Obama "had repudiated" those comments.

posted March 15, 2008 09:53 AM            

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Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What's more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several communist-front organizations.

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I love that they say in "fact" here... It's like saying I started up a group of people to say that Sherri Lewis is the Anti-Christ, and becuase we say so, based on our "research", without proof, it is a "fact"...

I see right through the language in this bs rhetoric in the articles you post jwhop, and find it hilarious that you can sit there and defend it... HILARIOUS.

posted March 15, 2008 10:12 AM            

Of would you prefer hearing that Davis is a communist and member or former member of the Communist Party USA...out of his own mouth?

In fact, is there any proof whatsoever which would satisfy you..or would it even matter to you if O'Bomber's political mentor is a communist...or that O'Bomber's friends and political groomers and advisors are members of Democrat Socialists of America.

Somehow, I doubt any of that really matters to you. I also doubt you see anything wrong with any of that.

posted March 15, 2008 10:38 AM            

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Somehow, I doubt any of that really matters to you. I also doubt you see anything wrong with any of that.

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You know what they say about assumptions? I won't be hypocritical and "ass"ume you do... so I'll remind you, it makes an a$$ out of you and me.

Seeing as how I have never said (out of my own mouth, or in this case, from my own fingers) that I support Obama, I was merely making a point. Yes, I would prefer to make decisions about people from what they themselves claim to be. I'm the type that would not take the butchers, or in this case, the 1951 Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii or the HUAC's word for it.

Last time I checked, an accusation is just that, an imputation of guilt. Now, if there were a trial, evidence compiled, proof of guilt were presented, and guilt was found to be true, I would agree with these articles.

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Also because I'm not at all interested in a bunch of brain dead socialist leftists attempting to change America into a little socialist mecca.

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Now that is RICH. What, in your opinion, constitues "brain dead"?

To me, it would be the lack of using one's brain. It would be eating a bunch of garbage a certain party fed you and spewing it out all over the place without asking what was in it beforehand... and then telling everyone it was delicious...

posted March 15, 2008 11:05 AM            

I think even Mc Cain calls himself conservative? We know that no one believes him. Even hitler can call himself socialist (i presume ideal wise) but he followed a authoritarian /fascist method to implement socialism in Germany .

Point is, people are applying labels to themselves by their own definitions. I find it funny actually.

posted March 15, 2008 03:42 PM            

Your points are ridiculous and moot regardless. The only person on this board with any connection with Hitler is you. The nationalism, the belief in violence, the fixed nature, the us against them mentality, the belief that there's a bogeyman out there that you need to stop. We already established that it's impossible for a dictator to be a Socialist.

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I didn't ask you to do my homework. I asked two organizations that are specifically set-up to verify or debunk these kinds of political attacks to do so. Unlike you, I want some integrity in reporting, and I seriously doubt that there is any in the pieces you posted. You can't say that you've seen the guy's name on the source documents, can you? Well, neither can I, and until it can be fact-checked I'll believe the story to be bogus. There were Communist witch hunts back in Davis' time, and there's no reason for me to believe that he wasn't the victim of one of them. After all, he didn't exactly move to a Communist country now, did he?

posted March 15, 2008 05:15 PM            

Lenin.........Socialist
Stalin........Socialist
Mao...........Socialist
Kim Sung Il...Socialist
Kim Jong Il...Socialist
Castro........Socialist
Hussein.......Socialist
Hitler........Socialist

All followers of Karl Marx...Socialist.

Marxism is the political philosophy and practice derived from the work of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Any political practice or theory that is based on an interpretation of the works of Marx and Engels may be called Marxism; this includes different forms of politics and thought such as those of Communist Parties and Communist states, as well as academic research across many fields. While there are many theoretical and practical differences among the various forms of Marxism, most forms of Marxism share:

a belief that capitalism is based on the exploitation of workers by the owners of capital
a belief that people's consciousness of the conditions of their lives reflects material conditions and relations
an understanding of class in terms of differing relations of production, and as a particular position within such relations
an understanding of material conditions and social relations as historically malleable
a view of history according to which class struggle, the evolving conflict between classes with opposing interests, structures each historical period and drives historical change
The main points of contention among Marxists are the degree to which they are committed to a workers' revolution as the means of achieving human emancipation and enlightenment, and the actual mechanism through which such a revolution might occur and succeed. Marxism is correctly but not exhaustively described as a variety of Socialism being by far the variety for which there is the most historical experience

Socialism

Although there are still many Marxist revolutionary social movements and political parties around the world, since the collapse of the Soviet Union and its satellite states, very few countries have governments which describe themselves as Marxist. Although socialistic parties are in power in some Western nations, they long ago distanced themselves from their direct link to Marx and his ideas.

As of 2007, Laos, Vietnam, Cuba, and the People's Republic of China - and to a certain extent Venezuela had governments in power which describe themselves as socialist in the Marxist sense.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism#Socialism

Socialism is NOT an offshoot of communism, nor is Socialism a form of communism lite. Socialism is the root of all collectivist thought.

Each and every Socialist state is in fact a fascist state. Fascism is nothing more than using the power of government to coerce civilian populations into changes in behavior...through fear, intimidation, punishment, withholding of money, career, medical treatment or any number of other things they would normally be entitled to have or receive.

Punishing children for possessing and eating Skittles...a perfectly legal and lawful activity...because they wanted to change behavior...perfectly legal and lawful behavior IS fascist in nature. Using the power of government to "coerce".

Keep digging that hole deeper acoustic. You'll break out soon and find yourself right at home in the Communist Chinese Workers Paradise.

posted March 15, 2008 09:04 PM            

I don't feel the need to rehash all the arguments about Socialism, Fascism, and Communism that we've already had. Everyone knows where you stand. Everyone already knows the holes I've put in your myriad positions.

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Punishing children for possessing and eating Skittles...a perfectly legal and lawful activity...because they wanted to change behavior...perfectly legal and lawful behavior IS fascist in nature. Using the power of government to "coerce".

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It's lawful to take medicine for a legimate cough, too, but no educator with half a brain would allow kids to be chugging the stuff on school grounds.

"Medicines containing dextromethorphan are easy to find, affordable for cash-strapped teens, and perfectly legal. Getting access to the dangerous drug is often as easy as walking into the local drugstore with a few dollars or raiding the family medicine cabinet. And because it's found in over-the-counter medicines, many teens naively assume that DXM can't be dangerous." http://www.kidshealth.org/parent/positive/talk/cough_cold_medicine_abuse.html

I suppose school workers should just allow fights to go as long as the people involved in the fight want to do it. Maybe the school should condone fighting to the death.

I suppose they should allow kids guns, since -after all- they are under adult supervision, and kids can possess guns while under adult supervision.

posted March 19, 2008 06:07 PM            

You will seldom hear from the mouth of a socialist, a declarative sentence out of their mouth that's what they are...."I am a socialist".

One of the reasons I respect Bernie Sanders is that he openly admits to being a socialist. I don't agree with Sanders but at least, Sanders is honest about his socialism.

One of the reasons I hold other socialists in contempt is that they attempt to hide behind the banner of liberalism/progressives....when they are not liberals or anything close to liberals and certainly not progressive.

Just don't expect socialists of any stripe to admit it. There's a stench coming off socialism and anyone who is remotely informed knows they killed about 200,000,000 of their own citizens in the 20th Century....for the crime of disagreeing with them.

Today, they want to be known as "progressives". But, they're anything but progressive. They're still getting their doctrines straight out of the ass of a 5th rate 18th Century...so called thinker..Karl Marx.

Up theirs!

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Brain dead, the state of being intellectually incapable of learning from past mistakes...or history.

Here were some "socialist initiatives"

Federal Reserve Act of 1913..a legislative act which violates the Constitution.

Prohibition...an amendment to the Constitution prohibiting the making, sale or consumption of alcohol. The Kennedy fortune was founded on bootlegging. An act which kicked off organized crime in America.

Social Security...a taxing scheme which was hidden behind a retirement program but in 1935 when the act was passed and implemented, the retirement age was 65...under the act....and the average lifespan for men was 61, for women, 63. You were supposed to pay into this system your whole life and die before you collected a penny of your money..or your employers contribution...back from the government.

The latest boondoggle is a socialist healthcare system...which is failing everywhere in the world.

Penalizing kids for possessing and eating Skittles is just one more nail in the coffin of socialist initiatives.

Time to nail that sucker closed tight and bury socialism once and for all.

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Good for you acoustic. At least you're learning something here....and that something is to not get reinvolved in arguments you've already lost.

Masochistic psychological tendencies are sooo unattractive, sooo debilitating, an sooo you.

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posted March 19, 2008 08:02 PM            

I have always thought the idea of socialism (I suppose much like the "idea" of communism) was not so far from something that made sense to me. I am personally aquainted with an American who moved to Sweden, and is quite happy with the "socialist" way of life (sounds pretty freakin' sweet to me) they have there.

I guess I believe that if we could all actually follow the idea that we are in it for each other, not ourselves (as we do in this capitalist country) that things might work out. Obviously, as with anything, this concept has gotten into the hands and under the power of people who abuse it.

I don't blame the idea, nor do I therefore condemn the concept and title of "socialist" for these misdeeds.

I blame the leaders that abuse the faith of their people.

posted March 19, 2008 10:57 PM            

Being is Swede makes you stastistically as high a liability to yourself as being a "friend of Bill"...Clinton that is. Friends of Bill are a suicide committin bunch. Safer to be a skydiver.

Oh yeah, the US...that mecca to greed is way, way down the list of those who off themselves. Perhaps we're just too greedy and self centered.

Socialism never delivers what socialism promises and it never has. It overlooks human nature...which is that people work best, work hardest, produce more and better when they are working in their own self interest.

If you want to really help others, then first, get rich yourself. No poor person ever gave another a job. No poor person is in a position to help...financially....another.

"every man—is an end in himself, not the means to the ends of others." The individual "must exist for his own sake, neither sacrificing himself to others nor sacrificing others to himself. The pursuit of his own rational self-interest and of his own happiness is the highest moral purpose of his life."...Ayn Rand

"My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute."...Ayn Rand

Perhaps it's time to let your fingers do some walking through "Atlas Shrugged".

Before you do that, be advised the earliest (European) settlers in America tried a collectivist system, pooling and working the land as a collective, or socialism...and they nearly starved. Yes, they nearly starved until plots of land were allocated to..ownership of land by individuals and families...and then, the land bloomed and there was plenty.

posted March 20, 2008 02:46 AM            

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Gee ghanima81, I wonder why those Swedes...who glory in their socialism have the 9th highest suicide rate in the world?

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"Even in countries where cause-of-death data is collected systematically, differing societal attitudes toward suicide may impact the recorded figures (e.g., misreporting a suicide as an accidental death out of deference for the bereaved)." Sweden is 31st on the suicide rate list.

Norway's pretty Socialistic, too, and they have a superior infant mortality rate, and superior life expectancy.
Norway (according to the U.S.
United States (according to the U.S.)

Personally, I love Ayn Rand, and her philosophy of Objectivism. However, it does disregard a fundamental human trait, which is compassion. As I know you are not a person devoid of compassion, I'll disregard any claims you make on her philosophy. Yes, of course she was pro-Capitalist, but she was also the result of Communism, and her reaction to Communism [her writings] obviously didn't take the entire scope of our collective human personality into consideration. No person has ever been born in the Ayn Rand hero mold. Not you, not Capitalists, and certainly not the wealthiest Capitalist in the world:

or even the 2nd wealthiest Capitalist in the world:

posted March 20, 2008 11:11 AM            

It's the exercise of free will, under the law, to dispose of your own assets as you see fit.

Socialism is all about government compulsion to TAKE those assets from you..because socialists believe they are "intellectually, morally and spiritually superior to decide how your money/assets should be spent.

Hillary....we're going to TAKE things away from you.

Hillary...we will TAKE oil company profits away from them.

The plight of those whom you say endure inequality in the world are victims of their own governments acoustic.

This is the American model. You should read up on the concept, understand it and put it into practice.

"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among those are "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

But who is it who went into group shriek when Bush freed more than 50,000,000 oppressed people from the grip of murderous tyrants and assisted them in establishing nations under law? Nations of self determination by the people free to decide, free to determine how best to pursue their own lives, liberty and pursuit of happiness. These lying socialists haven't stopped shrieking yet because they do not believe in their own bullshiiit.

The Bush interpretation IS the American model. Socialists would adopt the "let them eat cake" model and refuse to lift a finger to assist those oppressed by tyrants.

As I recall, Queen Marie Antoinette and King Louis XVI lost their heads in the French Revolution for their attitudes.