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Mannu
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posted March 14, 2008 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The most gradual changes are often the most destructive. If Europe and Africa began their ill-fated relationship as near equals, the influx of European goods, particularly of firearms, slowly disrupted the equilibrium of West African cultures. To Europe improved technology brought power and wealth, but to Africa it brought only more efficient means to capture slaves for the American market. The religious and political power structure of West African states was peculiarly susceptible to the corrosive effects of the slave system. In the Niger delta, where the priests had traditionally imposed heavy fines on men who offended an oracle, it was relatively easy to discover an increasing number of offenses which could be expiated only by a payment of slaves, who could then be sold profitably to European traders. Believing in divine kingship and divided by intense religious loyalties, the forest peoples of Guinea looked upon one another as contemptible heretics who deserved death or slavery; accordingly, their religious wars were well adapted for procuring captives who could be exchanged for guns. And since the tribes which captured the most slaves received the most European goods, and were thus best equipped in the struggle for survival, it was only natural that certain groups in the interior, such as the Ashantis and Dahomeans, should rise to power as specialists in the art of enslaving. Initially cut off from the Europeans by coastal tribes who were able to act as middlemen, these forest kingdoms eventually pushed toward the sea, extending the zone of terror as their power increased. Hence in 1727 John Atkins complained that the triumph of Dahomey had destroyed the orderly pattern of the slave trade; the Negro who sold you slaves on one day might be sold himself a few days later. And the chaos brought by the emergence of specialized slaving states was matched, on the side of the Europeans, by the arrival of independent traders who looked only for quick profit. Unrestrained by the long-term interests of the major companies, these merchants cared little how slaves were acquired, and did not scruple at kidnapping or inciting raids on peaceful villages."( 182-183) David Brion, in his book The Problem of Slavery in Western Culture


I used to think that the African people were the victims. But guess I was blind to see that it is they themselves who encouraged Slavery in America.

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posted March 14, 2008 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Progressive Segregation
By Malcolm A. Kline | February 29, 2008

The ultimate irony is that Wilson’s attitudes on race, which academics abhor, mesh nicely with the “progressivism” they champion.

Few presidents are as revered as Woodrow Wilson in academia. He was, after all, the last academic elected to America's highest office.

Beyond that, much ink is spilled and many lectures devoted to his policies which many professors are enamored of, chiefly the progressive income tax at home and the League of Nations abroad. As Black History month draws to a close, we should highlight a Wilsonian trend in policy that is relevant to both his national and international outlook-segregation.

"I do approve of the segregation that is being attempted in several of the departments," President Wilson wrote in his first year in office. "I think if you were here on the ground you would see, as I seem to see, that it is distinctly to the advantage of the colored people themselves that they should be organized, so far as possible and convenient, in district bureaus where they will center their work."

Economist Bruce Bartlett unearthed the Wilson missive in his new book Wrong On Race: The Democratic Party's Buried Past. "It is true that the segregation of the colored employees in the several departments was begun upon the initiative and at the suggestion of several of the heads of the departments, but as much in the interest of the Negroes as for any other reason, with the approval of some of the most influential Negroes I know, and with the idea that the friction, or rather the discontent and uneasiness, which had prevailed in many of the departments would thereby be removed," President Wilson wrote in another letter that same year. "It is as far as possible from being a movement against the negroes."

As Bartlett shows, the NAACP heartily disagreed. "It realizes that this new and radical departure has been recommended, and is now being defended, on the ground that by giving certain bureaus or sections wholly to colored employees they are thereby rendered safer in possession of their offices and are less likely to be discriminated against," read a letter from the NAACP board. "We believe this reasoning to be fallacious."

"It is based on a failure to appreciate the deeper significance of the new policy; to understand how far reaching the effects of such a drawing of caste lines by the Federal Government may be, and how humiliating it is to the men thus stigmatized."

Similarly, when U. S. forces entered the "war to end all wars," President Wilson may have wanted to "make the world safe for democracy" but as commander-in-chief he did so with a segregated military. "World War I brought no improvement in Wilson's policy towards blacks," Bartlett writes. "They were put in segregated military units, mostly relegated to support positions, and kept out of combat."

"One reason was a fear of giving them training with guns, which they might use to defend themselves from racist attacks once the war was over." The war won, Wilson's attitude did not change.

"At the Paris Peace Conference in 1919, Wilson fought measures that might aid black equality," Bartlett writes. "The Japanese delegates to the conference, for example, were very keen on adding a racial equality clause to the peace treaty, which had strong support among Asian-Americans."

"But Wilson was warned by his close adviser Colonel Edward House that acceptance of the clause ‘would surely raise the race issue around the world.'" Although most Wilson aficionados sadly acknowledge this part of his persona, albeit with comparative brevity, they dismiss these policies and practices usually by pointing out that Wilson was "a southerner" and "a man of his time." This explanation falls short when you compare him with another southerner stuck in a time warp-Robert E. Lee.

Wilson wrote that "domestic slaves were dealt with indulgently and even affectionately by their masters" in 1893, nearly three decades after the Civil War ended. By way of contrast, Lee called slavery "a moral and political evil" in 1856, before the War Between the States began.

Also, Wilson as president of the United States refused to speak out against lynching, as Bartlett relates. In comparison, Lee, in elderly retirement, would physically interpose himself between whites and blacks when the former meant to do the latter harm, preventing them from so doing, according to historians who have chronicled the general's career.

Yet academic historians consistently put Wilson in the top 10 or 20 of American presidents while the old confederate is considered too politically incorrect to mention. The university fathers at the institution of higher learning that bears his name even floated the idea of taking the general out of the Washington and Lee logo.

The ultimate irony is that Wilson's attitudes on race, which academics abhor, mesh nicely with the "progressivism" they champion and clash with the conservatism and libertarian impulses they eschew. After all, slavery and segregation are the ultimate form of government regulation.
http://www.aim.org/briefing/progressive-segregation/

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posted March 14, 2008 11:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People were betrayed by their own people and made slaves of, so who is the more guilty? Did those tribes that sold out the other tribes come out of it scot-free? I doubt it.

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Mannu
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posted March 18, 2008 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't blame the Europeans for the slavery. The low mentality was preexisting in these nations before they came is what I wanted to convey. Its a different story that the bible belt was against abolishment of slavery in US at one point of time. But heh they got used to the convenience. If some one takes your privelege away won't you shake a little bit?

Obama and his likes has not grown over the race even after so many years since Abraham lincoln abolished slavery, so how can we expect him to be the change? He seems to be listening to his pastors rhetoric for 20 years. I am glad he accepted that for once as seen in the following speech below.

More here:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/18/obama.speech/index.html

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Mannu
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posted March 18, 2008 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
May be I sound to be rushing at judgement by those above comments, but I promise to go to a local museum here in PA someday and get a better perspective on civil war in America. They say that museum presents a very unbiased view of what happened in America during those times.

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