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Glaucus
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posted March 23, 2008 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Things aren't always what they seem. A lot of times,people come to conclusions without seeing the whole thing. We take bits of something and then make judgments. We don't always see the whole picture. I feel that's one of the main problems.

Mercury and Venus have been in Pisces which is a sign that is associated with deception and not just idealism.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/meet-the-white-man-who-_n_92793.html

I feel that we shouldn't always believe in what we see,read. I feel that we should look into things before jumping to conclusions.

I am not saying this just because I am multiethnic Black,White,Hispanic,Native American either. I am saying this because I am a human being and stressing that it's not about race. It's about humanity.

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posted March 23, 2008 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glaucus,
We all want the right person to be sitting on the chair of president. Many people voted for Obama without knowing anything about him. For a moment even I thought the california hip bug has hit the entire nation. But truth is that craze does not last more then 3-4 years in california
I already predicted this Obama mojo will be over soon.

Anyhow, the point I am trying to make is that I agree that we must get past the human race condition while voting for a candidate. The main shocking moment for me in all this was when I thought of all those trusting and innocent Americans who voted for Obama who promised them a change. And he faltered when he behaved like any other politicians. He lied outright when confronted and said that he didn't knew anything about Wrights comments and then later he gives this rhetoric speech which was not to the point. He is a hypocrite its very evident. You cannot fool people all the time. I also did not like the fact that he brought in his grandmother and Ferraro in his speech and later used divisive words again "...typical white person..". Whats typical huh?

America needs a president to unite not divide. Obama in my opinion lacks experience and wisdom at this point of time.

There isn't a politician in America or even in the world that I see who does not require power. They all are power hungry, egolomaniacal, clever not intelligent(big difference) people. If I was chief justice of the supreme court I would make each one sit on a lie detector before making them the president of USA


p.s I am not saying Obama will lose and all that. He still has the time to just come out and be an open book if he wants a shot at being the president. His campaign already knew Wright might be a stumbling block for them. Why did this speech came so late then?

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posted March 23, 2008 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If Obama wasn't half white but both his parents were black, do you think he would have had many white people vote for him?

Geraldine Ferraro said that he got where he is at because he's black. He's only half black.

I disagree with her. I believe that it was other half that factored in how he got so far. I talked to my mother about it,and she agreed. She even made a point about how lightskinned black men have always been viewed more favorable than darkskinned black men in many things.


there is a poll that talks about over 1/2 of whites view him as biracial too.

More than half (55 percent) of whites classified Obama as biracial after being told that Obama’s mother is white and his Kenyan father is black. Likewise, 61 percent of Hispanics also saw Obama as biracial, the Williams Identity Survey conducted by Zogby International shows. The Zogby Interactive survey polled 2,155 adults from Nov. 1-2, 2006. The poll contained a margin of error of +/- 2.2 percentage points. http://www.zogby.com/NEWS/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1227

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posted March 24, 2008 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You may be on to something Glaucus. Tiger Woods is another widely accepted biracial man who seems to benefit more from his ethnic diversity than he would [perhaps] if he were purely of African descent.

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posted March 24, 2008 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How easy it is to dismiss the hard works of Tiger woods this way and justify the free pass given to Obama by the media based on color of his skin.

Sorry Obama and his fans can't you get it? "Action speaks louder than words." .


Dear Obama,
Start filling your blank resume and atleast have the audacity to give credits to whoever wrote your speeches


Success is 99 percent perspiration and 1 percent inspiration

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posted March 24, 2008 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'll get over you.. I know I will
I'll pretend my ship's not sinking
And I'll tell myself I'm over you
'cause I'm the king of wishful thinking..
I'll get over you.. I know I will
I'll pretend my ship's not sinking
And I'll tell myself I'm over you
'cause I'm the king of wishful thinking
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posted March 24, 2008 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG, I read & reread your post attempting to think of some examples and I can`t.

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You may be on to something Glaucus. Tiger Woods is another widely accepted biracial man who seems to benefit more from his ethnic diversity than he would [perhaps] if he were purely of African descent.

Would you please expand on it and give some examples of his benefits?

Thanks,

p.s. I didn`t know he was biracial.... guess it shows how much race matters to me. He is one hellofa golfer tho

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posted March 24, 2008 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, Peck...the guy who supposedly inspired Wright's latest anti-America, antisemitic, racist rant is a liar, pure and simple. This guy also said there was no connection between Saddam and al Qaeda..other than a common dislike for the US. Purely and simply BS.

I like the way attempts have been made to gloss over what Wright actually said by not talking about "everything" he said.

He said the HIV/AIDS virus was invented by white people to kill blacks. In other words, it was bio-engineered in a lab at the direction of white people...to kill blacks. A bio-weapon.

He said drugs are sold to blacks by white people...to put them in jail and keep them there via the 3 strikes law.

He also said god damn America. Calling upon God to destroy the United States.

Now you and any number of apologists for antisemitic, anti-America racists are welcome to your opinion. You can say O'Bomber's speech put it all in perspective and disposed of Wright as an issue cutting against O'Bomber...by declaring Wright's statements to be "controversial". Merely "controversial" and that he disagrees with some of them or all of them.

But, O'Bomber sat in that church for 20 years listening to this America hating, antisemitic racist and never once had the courage or character to get up, gather his family and walk out that church.

Worse from my viewpoint is that O'Bomber exposed his children to this racist, anti-America ranting by taking them into that church to listen to Wright.

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posted March 24, 2008 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jwhop, you summed my belief up nicely on the Wright and Obama affiliation

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But, O'Bomber sat in that church for 20 years listening to this America hating, antisemitic racist and never once had the courage or character to get up, gather his family and walk out that church.

Glaucus,
How long would you sit there and listen to the rhetoric??? I thought Wright was very clear in his "sermons" and I ask, was it really about humanity



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posted March 24, 2008 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Guru appears when the student is ready.

What a fantastic spiritual guru appeared for Wrights students

Leftists compare Obama with JFK What a pale comparison with a shy , sensitive president who was very intellectual and who was ahead of his times from a very young age.

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posted March 24, 2008 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Juniperb,

It seems his campaign people has refused to listen to any criticism. They have a messiah and he will take care of them

*throw grand ma from the train
*ask for sympathy vote
*leave your jobs and join the messiah and his wife in doing social work. money will keep flowing from wall street and tithes of other sheeps who get to hear what they want to hear from the fiery sheperd


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posted March 24, 2008 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Juni,

No doubt at all about Tiger being a great golfer, and if you're taking what I said as endorsing a view that people embrace him for his race rather than his game then I'm sorry. I'm not sure if his being of biracial decent, and being in a biracial relationship do anything for him or not. It might. It might not. Just like Obama's being biracial might be of help to him.

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posted March 24, 2008 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Racism is still a big issue. If anybody thinks otherwise,he/she's blind.

As a multiethnic person,I am an idealist(Moon in Pisces square Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd) in that I wish that we all get along,love each other,and treat each other like fellow human beings. I am a realist(Moon square retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th) to see that racism is still a serious problem.

My first time being called the n'word was on my 9th birthday by a blue eyed blonde gal who I played with and went to school with. The last time that I was called the n'word was in 2004 in an Astrology chatroom on yahoo after I had confronted the white guy for calling arabs, sand-n'words. I was furious. What made me more furious is that a lot of people in the chatroom thought I was overreacting and that it shouldn't bother me.

In 1991, I also knew a white navy doctor who believed that multiethnic people like me are biologically psychological messed up because of our mixtures. The sad thing is that I even believed in it for awhile.

It was mainly white kids that called me "retard" when I was in special education for my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia.

Retard,n'word are the 2 words that anger me the most.


I agree with a lot of what Reverend Wright said. I disagree with him about the AIDS being created for blacks though.

A lot of White ministers have said things so controversial and bigoted,they don't get condemned like a black preacher who focus on the racism issue and points out that racism is still alive and well.


"The United States is doing little to comply with an international
agreement to end racial discrimination and has downplayed widespread
racism, charged an American Civil Liberties Union report released
yesterday." http://www.dailynewstribune.com/news/x773671370


DEKALB, Ill.---- Black students attending Northern Illinois University
say they feel unsafe after racial slurs and references to shootings
earlier this year at Virginia Tech were found scrawled on a bathroom wall.
The university, which was closed Monday as a security precaution, is
scheduled to reopen Tuesday. http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/691002,niu121107.article

Racial microaggressions add up, researchers say http://www.newsobserver.com/105/story/820146.html

African-Americans are 10 times more likely than whites to serve prison
terms for drug offenses, even though the rate of drug use doesn't
differ significantly between the two groups, a new national study says. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07345/840756-85.stm?cmpid=localstate.xml


Overlooking racism may lead to undiagnosed mental health disorders http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-09/vu-orm091503.php


Being African American increases a mentally ill individual’s chance of being diagnosed with schizophrenia and reduces the likelihood of that person’s receiving an affective disorder diagnosis. While data have pointed to this fact for several years, psychiatrists are beginning to assess the ramifications of this finding for blacks and how it adds a host of complicating factors to their treatment. http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/36/10/17

CONCLUSIONS: The study suggests the possibility of racial and other disparities in the diagnosis and treatment of patients with schizophrenia and comorbid affective and anxiety disorders. Although various causal explanations are plausible, all point toward the need for enhanced cross-cultural competence at all levels of mental health care, especially in the diagnosis and treatment of comorbid psychiatric illnesses. http://psychservices.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/52/9/1216



Causes, Effects, and Resolutions for Misdiagnosis of
African Americans in the Mental Health Sector http://freednerd.wordpress.com/2006/10/

The (Mis)Diagnosis of Mental Disorder in African Americans
Harold W. Neighbors, Associate Professor, Department of Health Behavior and Health Education, School of Public
Health, The University of Michigan www.rcgd.isr.umich.edu/prba/perspectives/winter1997/hneighbors.pdf


Clinical Depression And African Americans http://www.health.am/ab/more/clinical_depression_and_african_americans/

Dec 1, 1999 | It took only a few weeks on the job for William Lawson to notice that there was something very strange going on. The psychiatrist had just joined the staff of the John L. McClellan Veterans Hospital in North Little Rock, Ark., and already he had seen patient after patient -- dozens of them, as it turned out -- with the same ill-fitting diagnosis. All African-American men, all veterans of combat in the Vietnam War, they suffered from terrifying nightmares, gut-twisting anxiety, flashbacks of fighting -- classic symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Yet they'd been assigned a very different condition: schizophrenia. http://dir.salon.com/story/books/it/1999/12/01/schizo?sid=476003


Are schools failing black boys?
Eight percent of the children in America’s public school are black boys, yet their representation in the nation’s special education classes is nearly twice that: 15 percent. African American males are also three times likely as white males to be enrolled in special education programs for "mildly to moderately mentally retarded," according to a 1992 report released by the Office of Civil Rights. http://www.terry.uga.edu/~dawndba/4500FailingBlkBoys.html


The purpose of this research was to evaluate the degree to which Black students are overrepresented and misplaced in special education, as a result of current testing and placement practices, insufficient parental knowledge of special education rights and responsibilities, and the need for more cultural diversity training for teachers. The two subjects interviewed were a special education teacher/chairperson and a principal; both employed in the same school. A class of special education students was unknowingly observed. Interview responses show little satisfaction with the current methods of placing Black children into special education programs. The observations demonstrated that the majority of the children did not need to be placed there. The use of Black psychologists, increased parental support and knowledge, a non-biased test for placement and increased preservice and inservice training was recommended. http://www.inmotionmagazine.com/peterz1.html


Minority parents want prompt diagnosis of child autism
In Hartford, Merva Jackson, executive director of the nonprofit African Caribbean American Parents of Children With Disabilities, said she believes that many black children with autism-spectrum disorders are misdiagnosed as having defiant, oppositional or behavioral problems.
"I think it's just a lack of knowledge" on the part of black families about what autism is, said Jackson, as well as cultural insensitivities or racism on the part of doctors and other professionals who evaluate children. http://www.dailytidings.com/2007/0525/stories/0525_bp_autism.php

According to the federal Household Survey, "most current illicit drug users are white. There were an estimated 9.9 million whites (72 percent of all users), 2.0 million blacks (15 percent), and 1.4 million Hispanics (10 percent) who were current illicit drug users in 1998." And yet, blacks constitute 36.8% of those arrested for drug violations, over 42% of those in federal prisons for drug violations. African-Americans comprise almost 58% of those in state prisons for drug felonies; Hispanics account for 20.7%. http://www.drugwarfacts.org/racepris.htm


Job applicants with African-American sounding names are far less likely to get a callback as are similarly qualified "white" candidates, according to researchers at the University of Chicago and MIT, who submitted 5,000 bogus resumes in response to job ads. Half the resumes bore stereotypical African-American names such as Latonya and Tyrone; half sported traditionally Anglo names like Kristin and Brad. http://www.psychologytoday.com/rss/pto-20030430-000001.html


Can a 'Black' Name Affect Job Prospects?
Can a Black-Sounding Name Hurt Your Career Prospects?
But capable doesn't always matter. A job recruiter for Fortune 500 companies in northern California revealed an ugly secret."There is rampant racism everywhere. And people who deny that are being naïve," said the recruiter, who spoke on the condition her name would not be used. http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=124232&page=3


Thomas is one of eight black women suing the department store for racial discrimination after she allegedly was told that Dillard's beauty salons charge black customers more than whites because of the "kinky" nature of "ethnic" hair. http://www.courttv.com/people/2006/0425/dillardssalon_ctv.html

Black Customers File Discrimination Lawsuit Against Waffle House http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/georgia/news-article.aspx?storyid=31028

(CNN) -- Most Americans, white and black, see racism as a lingering problem in the United States, and many say they know people who are racist, according to a new poll.
But few Americans of either race -- about one out of eight -- consider themselves racist.
And experts say racism has evolved from the days of Jim Crow to the point that people may not even recognize it in themselves. http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/12/racism.poll/index.html


WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush acknowledged persistent racism in America and lamented the Republican Party's bumpy relations with black voters as he addressed the NAACP's annual convention Thursday for the first time in his presidency.
"I understand that racism still lingers in America," Bush told the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. "It's a lot easier to change a law than to change a human heart. And I understand that many African-Americans distrust my political party." http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8IVQT000&show_article=1

The researchers performed fMRIs on 13 white participants. During the scans, participants viewed a series of faces -– some of which could be consciously seen and some of which were presented so quickly that participants did not report seeing them. The researchers found that for the ultra-brief subliminal images, amygdala activity was greater in response to black faces than to white faces, suggesting that at least initially, black faces provoked a stronger emotional reaction than white faces. http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-12/hu-bar120804.php


Stereotypes of black people http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_Blacks

Despite the fact that half of all blacks say they have experienced discrimination in the past 30 days, whites persist in believing that we know their realities better than they do, and that black complaints of racism are the rantings of oversensitive racial hypochondriacs. Blacks, we seem to believe, make mountains out of molehills, for Lord knows we would never make a molehill out of a mountain! http://www.guerrillanews.com/threads/13568/why_whites_think_blacks_have_no_problems

Being Black and Beautiful Against Stereotypes http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/entertainment/index/beautiful042507

Affirmative Action: Who Benefits? http://www.apa.org/pubinfo/affirmaction.html

No Surprise - Skin Tone Study Reveals Preference for Light-Skinned Employees http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/bawnews/skintonestudy925

WASHINGTON (NNPA)- Some thought color discrimination among African Americans had pretty much blown away with the black cultural revolution of the 1960s and 1970s.
But according to sociologists, academics and other measures of the nation's social barometer, the issue is still rooted in day-to-day life. http://www.frostillustrated.com/atf.php?sid=2381

Failed party promotion underscores color divide between US black women
Yasmine Toney describes herself as a "dark-skinned sista." So when she heard about a recent club promotion in Detroit, allowing all-night free admission to black women with fair or light skin, she was incensed.
"It's offensive," Toney said. "It continues a negative stereotype."
"I'm perceived to be aggressive, assertive, attitude-having ... a lot of things, because my complexion is darker," said the 24-year-old receptionist. http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/10/19/america/NA-GEN-US-Skin-Tone.php


Obviously Wright made some true statements. I feel that a lot of people are blind to the reality of what blacks(especially darkskinned blacks) still deal with in regards to racism,discrimination,bigotry,and mistreatment. When a black preacher points it out,they are seen as crazy,racist,and God knows what else. I have a big problem with that. I am very concerned about how people can be so naive and be in denial about racism. We still have a long way to go to achieve Dr. Martin Luther King Jr's dream.

I want to reiterate that all racism,discrimination,bigotry,and mistreatment is wrong......it doesn't matter if you're Black,White,Native American,Asian,Pacific Islander,or whatever a person's background is.


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posted March 24, 2008 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, I'm not buying that for a second.

First, you're talking about individuals making racist statements to members of another race. Wright was talking about institutional racism, a whole different matter. In any population there will be some who consider themselves, their race superior and others inferior.

Let's see, I've been called a "honky". Is that a racist comment...in your opinion?

The fact is that Wright is one of the racists who has made his name fanning the flames of racism. He, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson come to mind because he is of the same substance as the other reverrrrends who are fixated on race.

Now, some facts.

For at least the last 30 years racial minorities have been give preference in hiring and in admission to universities based on their race.

Whites have been institutionally discriminated against in those areas and especially when applying for government positions...because of their race. Not only is it legal to discriminate against whites, it's mandatory. A white male 30 years of age or younger has been discriminated against all his life in certain areas..if he wants entrance to a university where admissions are tight or wants to work for government, city, county, state or federal.

Now, if you don't believe that then you can read the US Supreme Court decision in University of California v. Bakke.

Wright also called Condoleezza Rice, "Condoskeezza Rice."

You say you don't agree with Wright about HIV/AIDS being a bio-engineered weapon engineered by whites to kill black people. That was the only thing you mentioned that you disagreed with.

Does that mean you DO agree with Wright that there is an organized plan on the part of whites to sell drugs to black people...to put them in prison and keep them there?

Do you also agree with Wright when he says god damn America? Literally asking God to destroy America

You see, I have a problem with that. It's a big world and anyone who hates America that much should find their place in the sun...somewhere else.

No candidate who wants to be President of the United States should ever be found in a church pastored by an anti-America racist like Wright and especially not for 20 years as a member.

I hardly ever talk about race nor do I think much about it. Nor do I identify myself as...for instance...a white American, a white Anglo Saxon American or any other designation other than an American period.

If you want to do something about the miseducation of minorities, you might want to talk to Obama about the National Education Association and the Federal Teachers Association both of which he supports and both of which are responsible for the deplorable miseducation of minorities in inner cities as well as being at the forefront of denying students in failing schools a chance to get the hell out. It's both Obama and Hillary who are against school vouchers to private schools where inner city minorities could get a real education.

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posted March 25, 2008 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Frankly, I don't give a damn if you buy it or not. A lot of people don't buy the racism that blacks experience,and that's why I even posted the things in the first place. People can just take it or leave it.

I am not naive. I know what goes on. I have experienced it my own self. Many others have too.

I am going to agree to disagree with you.

this is a matter that we won't agree on.

we have different backgrounds too.


I know your reputation for being a conservative too. I read what you write,and I disagree with most things but I choose to get into it.

But

This thing with Rev Wright really ****** me the hell off that I stayed up all night doing research on race relations issues,and I did find a lot.

I am very liberal for obvious reasons which stems from my own multiracial background,neurodivergence,and my not fitting the male stereotypes that I am sympathetic to gay rights.


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posted March 25, 2008 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's fine, we can agree to disagree and of course, this is America and you can vote for whomever you wish.

I appreciate the fact you spent a lot of time looking all that up.

It's true I'm a conservative who usually votes Republican and there's something you should know if you don't.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed with heavier votes for the Act by Republicans than by Democrats...those whom you think "care".

Notice, Republicans voted 80% for in the House, Democrats only 63% for.

In the Senate, Republicans voted 82% for the Act, Democrats only 68% for.

In the joint bill..House and Senate, Republicans voted 84% for the Act, Democrats voted only 63% for.

House version:
Democratic Party: 164-96 (63%-37%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)

The Senate version:
Democratic Party: 46-22 (68%-32%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:

Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
Republican Party: 186-35 (84%-16%)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#Passage_in_the_House_of_Rep resentatives

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What Jwhop didn't note is that the republilcan and democratic parties are very different today than what they were in 1964.

The democrats had a strong southern conservative wing at that time, aka the dixiecrats.

Democratic president Lyndon Johnson DID support civil rights.

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posted March 25, 2008 02:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Blueroamer,

Yep...Lyndon B. Johnson signed numerous civil rights bills

Thank God.

I am very grateful for that.

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one hot topic this
seriously, i was advised against studying in the US by someone who has experienced racism in college and told me make lesser money in India but live in dignity. recently there have been many campus crimes, murders, rapes involving asian, primarily Indian students. WTF IS going on ?
and dont even get me started on interracial crimes. i am required to prepare a new piece daily as a part of my Newscaster training and i made one half hour segment on the same. when people think of the US as a land of opportunity I doubt anyone would ever guess the magnitude of racial backwardness, esp. when it comes to economic and social differences across minorities.

my niece, actually had her 10 yr old friend tell her she liked her even though she was Brown. ???? coming from a 10 yr old ??? but then again that was just one girl out of the 20 who are her friends, and all of them are christians , whites, typical Redmond suburb folk.On the whole though the impression ireceive from my friends who went to college and are working in US has been good, but then again they have not been exposed to life on the street.

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posted March 25, 2008 06:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personally, I believe that Wright said a lot of things that I agree with.

I don't think that he's racist.

Pointing out racism doesn't make anybody racist.

There is so much that is wrong with USA.

Race relations aren't hunky dury.
This is a multiethnic person saying that.

He's controversial though.
Many people who say and do things that stir things up, challenges the status quo,and diverge from the mainstream are seen as controversial,but but controversial doesn't mean bad.

Civil rights leaders,activists have definitely been viewed as controversial.

Speaking out about racism,bigotry,intolerance in front of people who are blind to it can be seen as controversial.

Pointing out how USA was built in the first place could be seen as controversial.

All those things can be viewed as unpatriotic to people who disagree and/or just don't want to be told those things....especially by selfrighteous people who think,act like their crap doesn't stink.

We have a whole bunch of those people in our country....especially forcing their beliefs on others and deciding who is bad and who is good based on their own beliefs that many don't share.

That's all I am going to say.


Raymond


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posted March 25, 2008 08:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm surprised anyone with serious political ambitions would publicaly associate with this Reverand. Strange.

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posted March 25, 2008 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for clarifying AG!


Glaucus, do you find it
interesting that Wright says : God Damn America, the very country that gave him the Constititional right to say it?


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posted March 25, 2008 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is this hypocrisy I'm seeing from you venusdeindia?

Aren't you the one who insisted that since the government of India had "passed laws" guaranteeing rights for the "Untouchables" and other citizens of India from the so called "Lower Castes"...that it's all fixed now and everything is hunky dory?

We passed our laws banning slavery and involuntary servitude in 1865 and the law guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the laws...to everyone...in 1866.

Yet, here you are again complaining about America...where you are voluntarily...unless you were kidnapped..when you could be and perhaps should be focused on wiping out the discrimination against the "Untouchables" and other so called "Lower Caste" citizens of India.

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posted March 25, 2008 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well Venus, things get a little more complicated racially when you have such a diverse group of people coexisting, often in very close quarters.

Compare that to the racial diversity in India and you may begin to understand what goes on in the US.


Juniperb, I think anyone in their right mind who is an honest person would say "god damn America," given what has been doing on in this country for the past 7 years.

The fear mongering, war mongering, and destruction of our civil rights are just the tip of the iceberg.

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posted March 25, 2008 12:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You make a good point, BR. The difficulty for me is this - Does the man saying "God damn America" refer only to the devious, power mad Washington establishment? Or does he wish to damn the entire enterprise - you, me and the Constitution included? I can sympathize with the former. Not so much with the latter.

Either way, damning things isn't really becoming a Christian Reverand. And, for me anyway, that's a turn off.

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