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Topic: You Are, Therefore I Am
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ListensToTrees
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posted April 26, 2008 12:25 PM
 
This book is really amazing, I would recommend it to everyone. In it, he recounts a debate he had with Bertrand Russell, and how he (Satish) feels very deeply that if we want to solve the problems in society such as accumulation of atomic weapons, we must first heal the imbalances of the minds of society, that caused them to feel such weapons were needed in the first place.Satish Kumar, I know in my heart, is a true spiritual teacher of great and profound truth, however simple and naive he may appear to those only gazing on the surface of it all. Search for the keys with your mind....then unlock the doors with your heart.  Tracing his own spiritual journey, Satish Kumar - child monk, peace pilgrim, ecological activist and educator - considers the sources of inspiration which formed his understanding of the world as a network of multiple and diverse relationships. The book is in four parts. The first describes Kumar's memories of conversations with his mother, his teacher and his Guru, all of whom were deeply religious. The second part recounts his discussions with the Indian sage Vinoba Bhave, J. Krishnamurti, Bertrand Russell, Martin Luther King and E.F. Schumacher. These five great activitists and thinkers inspired him to engage with social, ecological and political issues. In the third part Satish narrates his travels in India, which have continued to nourish his mind and reconnect him with his roots. The fourth part brings together his world-view, which is based in relationships and the connections between all things, rather than the philosophy of dualism, division and separation which are found in Rene Descartes' famous maxim "I think, therefore I am". Satish Kumar holds an emergent world-view, encapsulated in a fundamental Sanskrit dictum "So Hum", well-known in India but not in the West, which can be translated as "You are, therefore I am". This mantra underpins all the experiences brought together in this book. *Here's a beautiful documentary about Satish Kumar called "Earth Pilgrim". Beautiful music, landcapes- very peaceful feeling watching it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6de9FjR40g0 ------------------
The truth
is a brilliant, many-sided diamond.
The great life fills this gem and colors from every side.
Mystics, messengers, and sages and teachers of all ages, races and beliefs have spoken of a different face of this common Eternal Truth. IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted April 26, 2008 12:59 PM
Hahaha LTT, Bertrand Russell was a Fabian Socialist. One of the people who would easily fit into the group of people you are certain are plotters against humanity....oh, for the good of humanity of course. But with themselves at the top making the decisions the rest of humanity are too stupid to make for themselves.Tell me LTT, are you one of those people who are capable of holding two diametrically opposed beliefs and calling them both "true"? It is undeniably true the Sun orbits the earth. It is undeniably true the earth orbits the sun.  IP: Logged |
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posted April 26, 2008 01:01 PM
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posted April 26, 2008 01:02 PM
P.S. Silly, jwhop.  IP: Logged |
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posted April 26, 2008 01:03 PM
"The most important things are the hardest things to say. They are the things you get ashamed of because words diminish your feelings - words shrink things that seem timeless when they are in your head to no more than living size when they are brought out".~Stephen King IP: Logged |
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posted April 26, 2008 01:05 PM
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jwhop
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posted April 26, 2008 01:10 PM
I'm not moved by cute quotes LTT. Most of them are BS which cannot stand even casual examination.I'm equally unmoved by attempts those make to play martyr.  IP: Logged |
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posted April 26, 2008 01:12 PM
I don't even know why people like you are attracted to places such as LindaLand. You are definitely on a different frequency- from what I've seen anyway! But since I believe we are all equals and have our part to play, I'll love you anyway!Perhaps you would like this picture instead, jwhop, since "BS" seems to be your favourite term.   IP: Logged |
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posted April 26, 2008 01:40 PM
>>>>if we want to solve the problems in society such as accumulation of atomic weapons, we must first heal the imbalances of the minds of society, that caused them to feel such weapons were needed in the first place.People didn't listen to JK , MG
and others. What makes you think people will listen to SK?
All this idea of changing the world is indeed BS. Man is indeed 6 ft of consciousness and can't change the world LOL
Change individually first and change what you can with whatever profession you are at. IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted April 26, 2008 03:35 PM
LTT, you would be miles ahead if you would simply pick a cause..one cause..do your research, get the facts and take action to solve that problem.Shotgunning this forum using the "Chicken Little" approach that everywhere you look the sky is falling gets nothing done at all. IP: Logged |
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posted April 26, 2008 04:41 PM
If people care to read it, they will, doesn't make much difference to me- takes me a minute maybe to post it, nevertheless, I enjoy doing so. Mannu......   Oh ye of little faith... Do you feel you learned anything from Wilcock, even if you don't necessarily agree with everything he said (I feel the same)? You don't have to answer the question in fact. The energy here is growing contemptuous, I feel- therefore I will take flight and seek solace in other places.  IP: Logged |
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posted April 26, 2008 05:13 PM
>>>Do you feel you learned anything from Wilcock, even if you don't necessarily agree with everything he said (I feel the same)?Yeah I did learn. I learnt that he spends too much time in the "dream" world. And things are already perfect in that world LOL IP: Logged |
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posted April 26, 2008 05:13 PM
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posted April 27, 2008 11:08 AM
Mannu, what has happened to you?You've changed. IP: Logged |
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posted April 27, 2008 11:10 AM
I don't *believe* everything Wilcock says, but certain things, such as the unified field of consciousness, etc, etc....are very important pearls of wisdom- for all.IP: Logged |
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posted April 28, 2008 02:41 AM
no one listened to socialist MG ?????keep Dreaming folks, no supporter of Socialism this, but do believe in Vasudev Kutumbakam... dont bother translating it for JW, mannu IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted April 28, 2008 09:12 AM
Change individually first and change what you can with whatever profession you are at.bears repeating IP: Logged |
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posted April 28, 2008 11:15 AM
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Change individually first and change what you can with whatever profession you are at.bears repeating
Question:~ If we were to see things from the perspective that we are all One, how would this change how we lived our lives? What would "Oneness" do? IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted April 28, 2008 12:32 PM
Define "One".IP: Logged |
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posted April 28, 2008 12:41 PM
A part of each other; made of the same stuff (essence inside us all), yet at the same time separate.Therefore, to hurt another would be to hurt a part of ourselves. IP: Logged |
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posted April 28, 2008 12:45 PM
Just a thought, an example: Martin Luther King's words were so powerful, due to his intentions being so pure.....that many years after his bodily death- his words, the profound truth and wisdom of his being, continue to move and inspire people.....helping them reach higher awareness and insight into life and its meaning. We are One; we are separate but we are simultaneously interconnected, inseparable. To heal another is to heal a part of us. IP: Logged |
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posted April 28, 2008 01:06 PM
By the way, I edited the first post slightly to emphasize that the "conversation" Satish had was Bertrand was actually more of a debate, as Satish feels so strongly that the minds of individuals in society must first change; heal; rebalance; if we are to effectively heal the problems of atomic weapons.IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted April 28, 2008 01:11 PM
LTT, am I to take away from your statement the concept you would stand by while an attacker killed your children...rather than you pulling a gun and blowing his/her F-ing head off? Would you deliver a lecture on "Oneness" or hurt that person..to death if necessary?Most people who say the kinds of things you say here haven't even begun to think through the consequences of their own words. "A part of each other; made of the same stuff (essence inside us all), yet at the same time separate. Therefore, to hurt another would be to hurt a part of ourselves." IP: Logged |
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posted April 28, 2008 03:53 PM
If we need to defend ourselves, we must use only the force which is necessary. I agree with Linda, when she wrote that to injure an arm, leg, etc is not desirable, but it is better than killing.So, to answer your question, I may shoot a person who did such a thing, but I would try to avoid killing them if I could. I would then, if given a choice, want to see them taken away (where they are unable to harm others) and given professional help. Once they have been thoroughly assessed, it would then be decided whether they need further treatment or some sort of prison sentence, or way in which they can pay back society for their crimes. Pure vindictiveness is not the answer- what the world so desperately needs is understanding....although this must not, can not, be confused with softness.....something has to be done to protect people from the ever spinning cycle which we all perpetuate through our negative thoughts and fear, etc. The electric chair was just pure evil. Two wrongs do not make a right. Vindictiveness does not turn back the clock or bring people back; pure vindictiveness will never heal anything.  IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted April 28, 2008 05:07 PM
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A part of each other; made of the same stuff (essence inside us all), yet at the same time separate.Therefore, to hurt another would be to hurt a part of ourselves.
You'll probably need to be specific. I'm not comfortable with New Age jargon. I'm sure your thoughts are narrowed down, but I'd need your words to do the same in order to follow you.  IP: Logged |
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