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Mannu
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posted April 26, 2008 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This web site keeps track of an idiot president who is paying for the war with our money.
http://www.nationalpriorities.org/

You may also click on your state to see what it costs them here:
http://www.nationalpriorities.org/budgetpriorities2009

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Mannu
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posted April 26, 2008 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The traditional conservatives have a habit to cling to their guns and religion.

Has any one noticed that there are more conservative radio programs on air than liberal ones. Liberals don't feed on fear of national security and devil. These conservative jerks do.

I have to give it to Obama for judging accurately the sentiments of the people in his time. He is so in "touch" with reality. Every one else is so fake on that one issue.
I even know why they cling to these things but I prefer to discuss it privately with him if I ever get a chance. I have a feeling he will agree with me if he hears me

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jwhop
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posted April 27, 2008 01:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I've noticed there are hardly any leftist talk radio shows. No one wants to listen to their bullshiiit and they fail as fast as they go on the air.

Last loser was Air America with the leftist nuts Al Franken and Rhodes.

Can't put a price of freedom and freeing oppressed peoples. To them, it's priceless. Something you would know if you didn't have your head screwed on backwards--left hand threads and crossthreaded.

I can't imagine what difference the cost would make to you anyway. I doubt you're making enough money to be in a tax bracket which requires you to even file a tax return.

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wheelsofcheese
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posted April 30, 2008 05:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheelsofcheese     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I doubt you're making enough money to be in a tax bracket which requires you to even file a tax return

That is low.

More money = better person jwhop?

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pidaua
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posted April 30, 2008 07:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No wheels, that is not what he means. We have many American's that don't pay taxes but they complain about not getting a rebate or return. One cannot get a return of one does not claim, file or pay taxes- so one does not have the right to complain.

Many times we see non-American's telling us how expensive the war is yet they are not the ones paying the taxes that funds the war. That doesn't mean they are not valid opinions, however to act as though they have a dog in this race is ridiculous. Basically, it normally comes from those that hate America in the first place so they use anything they can (that they feel is wrong with America) to justify that hate.

Most of the time Mannu begins his posts with 'the -put your derogatory term here- conservatives / American's / jwhop" etc...

He almost never contributes anything that does not include a dig at this country or people in general.

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posted April 30, 2008 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheelsofcheese     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, cool, thanks for clearing that up.

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When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness of his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

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posted April 30, 2008 09:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKyCpCrH3cY


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posted April 30, 2008 11:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Declaration Of Independence was made in 1776, yet it feels as if they could be talking about today. Clever how the "government within the government" managed to pull the wool over people's eyes...for so long.

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Mannu
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posted April 30, 2008 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These leaders were guided by the principle "Majority are Fools"

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Mannu
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posted April 30, 2008 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cost of the war


http://www.amazon.com/Three-Trillion-Dollar-War-Co nflict/dp/0393067017/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1204232422&sr=8-1

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