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jwhop
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posted May 08, 2008 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When there's a change in leadership in the Congress or in the White House, it's always a good idea to give the new leadership a little honeymoon period. That's fair and gives them a chance to implement their agenda.

So, now that it's demoscats who took over control of Congress in January 2007 and the honeymoon is long over, it's now fair to ask, "how are they doing".

Since demoscats took control of Congress:
the growth of jobs in America has been cut in half.

Since demoscats took control of Congress:
Home ownership has fallen for the first time in years. Under the Republican Congress, home ownership was the highest in the history of the United States.

Since demoscats took control of Congress:
Food prices have increased dramatically; rising about $70 per month for the average family and no end in sight.

Since demoscats took control of Congress:
The prices of homes have fallen almost 10%, costing homeowners tens of trillions of dollars from the value of their assets

Since demoscats took control of Congress:
Overall rate of inflation is up over 4%

Since demoscats took control of Congress:
Consumer confidence in the economy is in the toilet.

Since demoscats took control of Congress:
Most Americans think the US economy is already in recession.

Since demoscats took control of Congress:
The stock market has lost about 10% of it's value and therefore the value of mutual funds and pension funds which Americans depend upon for asset growth and retirement have gone in the crapper.

Since demoscats took control of Congress:
The price of oil is nearly double what it was under the Republicans.

Since demoscats took control of Congress, they've done what socialists and communists always do, move to immediately destroy the economy with talk of raising taxes and punishing the most productive people in the country. Now, these socialists and communists are talking about establishing an "Excess Profits Board" to take from business the profits they've earned from risking their capital, working hard and providing jobs to others so they can work.

Let's see, how does that work? We're supposed to elect one of the 2 demoscat socialist clowns president...and send the rest of the demoscat socialist clowns back to their DC offices to complete the destruction of America's economy?

Naw, none for me...thanks.

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posted May 08, 2008 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's a demoscat?

Is that when you demonstrate to us your incontinence?

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jwhop
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posted May 08, 2008 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh Blue, I'm so pleased you asked.

demo...for democrat.
scats...for demos who want to scat out of Iraq and give a military victory to our terrorist enemies.

Got it now Little Boy Blue...demoscats.

Of course, "scat" has another connotation Blue but I'm much too nice a person to bring up "scat" in that context. However Blue, if you aren't too lazy, you could find it for yourself.

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posted May 08, 2008 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The scat is where your incontinence comes into play

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posted May 08, 2008 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Blue, could you really be as intellectually deficient as you appear to be?

You need to get out more Blue. Sitting in your mother's basement in your shorts hunched over your keyboard doesn't provide you the socialization you need. After all Blue, when you're in that basement, you're with a very dull boy.

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posted May 08, 2008 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't have a mother I hatched from a pod like all leftists do.

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posted May 08, 2008 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Naw Blue, looks like you came into this world the very same way other thumb sucking whiners do.

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posted May 08, 2008 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What a load of dung.

Haven't we been over all of these things Jwhop? All these things that have nothing at all to do with Democrats or Congress?

Congress didn't do anything to the growth of jobs.

Congress didn't have anything to do with the mortgage crisis. Nor did the Republican Congress have anything to do with record home ownership due to bad loans. Congress has nothing to do with how home prices have dropped as a result of the mortgage crisis.

Congress isn't causing food prices to escalate. Gas prices are causing food prices to increase.

Congress doesn't control inflation regardless of who's in power.

The economy was already well on its way to the toilet, and Congress had nothing to do with that. (Though we all know how you used to love attributing a fairly good economy to Bush.)

Congress does not control what happens on Wall Street.

The price of oil!? You're too much.

What a stinking load of rhetorical spinning crap. These are all straight up, unsupportable lies Jwhop.

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posted May 08, 2008 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's what I meant, AG when I called him incontinent.

It's all there if you read between the lines.

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posted May 08, 2008 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop , This is the most stupidest thread I ever saw from you. Are you in your head?

Bush has not left the building LOL.
He always gets to veto the bills.

And if you are trying to be superstitious by trying to pin point the cause for the effects then isn't this the same problem we have in determining whether temperatures are rising or falling all over the world? Wheres the fcking reference point - LOL

Finally its spring in GU with all that diatribes going on LOL.

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posted May 08, 2008 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah acoustic, we did go over all that and you got your butt kicked...as usual.

We talked about demoscats talking down the economy and shaking consumer confidence..which translates into less consumer buying...which translates into retailers cutting inventories...which translates into manufacturers cutting back on production...which translates into job layoffs...at all levels and pulling in the horns on expansion projects. Hey acoustic, don't blame my if your have your head up your ass as you always do and can't understand it all. This is economics 101.

We talked about the effect of talk of raising taxes and actually raising taxes...which translates to higher consumer prices...which translates to less consumer buying...which translates to suppliers cutting back inventories...which translates into less production...which translates into layoffs and dropping of plans for expansion. Again acoustic, I can't help it if you have the diseased mind all leftists, socialists and communists are afflicted with...the lack of ability to actually think.

We talked about the effect of not drilling for oil in America, of not building additional refineries, of not building nuclear power plants, of not building hydroelectric power plants....all of which translates to foreign oil producers having America by the short hairs because they know the stupid, idiotic, moronic, imbecilic demoscats are going to block every means available to America to become independent of foreign oil producers and the gouging prices we're paying at the pump for gasoline.

We talked about the 8 cents per gallon profit oil companies make on a gallon of gasoline and the 18 cents a gallon asswipe leftist chair warmers in Congress get for doing nothing at all to produce a drop of it.

We talked about the effect of layoffs among the workforce which places them at jeopardy of not being able to make their mortgage payments...which leads us directly back to the assholes talking down the economy, talking about raising taxes on the American people and raising taxes on businesses. You'll never get it acoustic; you're intellectually incapable of connecting any of the dots and you always were.

Your asswipe socialist friends are attempting to cause a recession on Bush's watch so they can use it to their political advantage. You know it...or you sure has hell should know it because the signs are unmistakable. Every position they've taken have been the exact opposite of what they should be doing.

Now acoustic, I'm a former stock broker and I know what causes what, which permits me to bail out when I see the signs or jump in with both feet when I see reductions in tax rates, both individual and business. I'm hearing and have been hearing the utterly brain dead socialists...your demoscat party take positions and attempt legislation which will and already has had a disastrous effect on what was a very good economy.

So, let me tell you how the shitforbrains leftists are doing acoustic. It's hardly conceivable they could be doing worse than they are. The American people know it too acoustic. That's the reason this leftist demoscat shitforbrains Congress has an 11% job approval rating.

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posted May 08, 2008 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yeah acoustic, we did go over all that and you got your butt kicked...as usual.

Pure delusion. It was the other way around by any rational measure.

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We talked about demoscats talking down the economy and shaking consumer confidence..which translates into less consumer buying...which translates into retailers cutting inventories...which translates into manufacturers cutting back on production...which translates into job layoffs...at all levels and pulling in the horns on expansion projects. Hey acoustic, don't blame my if your have your head up your ass as you always do and can't understand it all. This is economics 101.

Yeah, talking politicians dictate the economy. You may as well be a conspiracy theorist to believe such nonsense. Better call on Nosis to bring you some logic. Maybe he's got some he can spare you.

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We talked about the effect of talk of raising taxes and actually raising taxes...which translates to higher consumer prices...which translates to less consumer buying...which translates to suppliers cutting back inventories...which translates into less production...which translates into layoffs and dropping of plans for expansion. Again acoustic, I can't help it if you have the diseased mind all leftists, socialists and communists are afflicted with...the lack of ability to actually think.

Most of what's going on with inflation is the result of oil prices. It has nothing to do with talk, and certainly nothing to do with a Congress that has its hands tied.

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Your asswipe socialist friends are attempting to cause a recession on Bush's watch so they can use it to their political advantage.

Randall, got any of that medication left? I think your friend here needs some quick!

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posted May 08, 2008 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I for one, Mannu, think that jwhop is very much in his head LOL... Or did you mean he was out of his mind?

I would jump in but my friendly Lion is kicking butt just fine on his own

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AcousticGod
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posted May 08, 2008 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really don't think he is.

I think that attempting to tie any of this to Congress or any politician of any political color is downright implausible and devoid of merit.

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posted May 08, 2008 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As always AG.. you are entitled to your opinion.

BTW.. how is life going? (Sorry to swing the thread in a different direction LOL)

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jwhop
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posted May 08, 2008 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is noted acoustic that you didn't or were not able to connect any of the dots once again.

What is it with you. Is there a short circuit in your neurons?

What the hell do you think "consumer confidence" is based on? Hell, I might as well tell you. We'll be here until the return of Christ if I don't.

Consumer confidence is based on PERCEPTION. Perception also drives the stock markets, financial markets and commodity markets. It's not so much how things actually are as how things are perceived to be. All that aswipe talking about raising taxes, actually raising taxes, talking about the bad economy..when it was a great economy, the poor economy, the faltering economy...by shitforbrains socialists in Congress and in the press had the effect of shaking consumer confidence. That translated to consumers putting off purchases, tightening the budgets and attempting to save their money...anxiety. It also resulted in exactly what I said. Inventories backing up at retailers because of slow sales, inventories backing up at distributors which meant distributors didn't order or ordered less...which meant manufacturers saw no reason to produce what couldn't be sold..which led to layoffs, cancellations for planned expansions, cancellations for plans to borrow money and all the rest of the things which drive any market based economy.

And that's the key words acoustic..market based economy.

No one said politicans dictate the economy. Stop raising up stalking horses so you can shoot them down.

All of what's going on with inflation is a result of higher prices for just about everything including food, transportation of all types including trucking. None of it would be happening at all if your asswipe socialists morons would get the hell out of the way of producing more energy in the United States. Just so you get it acoustic even fertilizer has skyrocketed and not because of heavy buying by foreign farmers or governments. Chemical fertilizers are made from oil.

There is no shortage of crude oil on planet earth. We're being held up by robbers simply because they can and they know they can and they know they can because your bloviating moron socialists block every means of increased oil production and refining in America.

Nothing Bush did is slowing the economy. Cutting taxes on individuals and businesses made the ecomony boom. Neither is the Iraq War hurting the US economy. If anything, production of military wares boosts the economy.

It's not Bush holding up energy production in America, it's your bloviating, airhead leftist buddies in Congress.

It all comes back to "How are they doing". Every one of them should be flung out of office on their sorry as$es.

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posted May 08, 2008 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did we not have Republican leadership in Congress under Bush's presidency? I think we did. You want more refineries, what prevented you from doing that while Republicans had total control? I think blaming the oil crisis on Democrats is too convenient, and such obvious spin.

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We're being held up by robbers simply because they can and they know they can and they know they can because your bloviating moron socialists block every means of increased oil production and refining in America.

I've shown you that Exxon isn't tremendously concerned with raising its production. By keeping production constant while demand increases, it forces prices up, which is music to the stockholder's ears.

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Consumer confidence is based on PERCEPTION.

This is fine, but it's not the perception of "talking down" the economy that's causing the perception. The mortgage crisis is certainly producing a portion of the perception, as are gas prices. As are stale wages. Bush presided over the only economic boom that didn't produce better wages for the middle class. If they were to have started building more refineries while Republicans had all the power necessary, we still wouldn't be seeing the relief from those refineries at this time. We would still be in this position. Nothing Democrats have or haven't done has any effect on this. Now if Democrats were to clear the way for more refineries today there STILL wouldn't be any change in perception.

For more on Perception and the economy, this article on this Administration's strategy is telling.

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posted May 08, 2008 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, there was a Republican Congress during the Bush Administration but there wasn't a filibuster proof Senate. Senate...acoustic which blocked any possibility of drilling in ANWAR and letting permits to build new refineries...or even refurbish and expand existing refineries. demoscat problem not Republican and definitely not a problem Bush caused.

You haven't shown me anything acoustic. But, the question is why would Exxon Mobile want to increase production with these Marxist twits threatening to steal their profits...as Hillary has done and O'Bomber has done and now, as the blithering idiot Chris Dodd has done with talk of setting up an "Excess Profits Board". I also told you Exxon is only one American oil company. Who ever gets permits to drill offshore or in ANWAR is going to lay out billions of dollars in exploration costs, site preparation, oil piping and drilling costs. Why do that if the Marxist twits are going to steal the profits from the profits you make from taking the risks? You're not making any sense at all acoustic...the usual.

High gas prices are not a perception, they're a reality. That reality is directly tied to the moronic twits in the demoscat controlled congress. It's just a lie the middle class didn't participate in the economic boom in America in the last 5 years...an absolute lie, told by lying leftist morons. Home ownership was the highest in US history....and also highest among minorities. You've swallowed the Marxist Kool-Aid. Is there any lie they tell that you won't swallow like mother's milk?

More blithering blathering drivel acoustic. The very day permits are let for offshore drilling in the Continental shelves, permits are issued for drilling in ANWAR, permits are approved to build 5 new refineries, permits are let for 10 new nuclear power plants and permits are issued to build 10 new hydroelectric power plants...that's the very day the oil ministers of OPEC will pi$s all over their robes, the very day Chavez pis$es his pants and the very day oil futures contracts speculators shiiit themselves at their brokerage terminals. Oil prices will plummet like boulders falling out of the sky as futures contracts for oil take dump after dump after dump and they can't get out because no one will buy them out out of their contracts with the prices falling. They're going to lose their as$es and they will know that.

Well, I expected a better source than that acoustic. They started right out showing they don't know their as$es from a hole in the ground by talking about the "apparent" recession. Seems your source is so unqualified to speak on economic matters they don't even know that 2 consecutive quarters of negative growth IS a recession. So much for your experts...like all your other experts.

You're really going to have to upgrade your sources on economics if you expect me to take anything you say...or post on the subject seriously. Slate is a very far leftist piece of crap with shiitforbrains writers who have a very large ax to grind. They're dismissed by anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together.

Now acoustic, it's all be laid out for you, chapter and verse and what I've said cannot be refuted...because it's all true.

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posted May 08, 2008 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're writing the most indefensible stuff here.

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You haven't shown me anything acoustic.

I did. It was the last time you pulled a moronic thread like this. I linked you here:
Why Exxon Won't Produce More. You DO have a shorter memory than I imagined.

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Why do that if the Marxist twits are going to steal the profits from the profits you make from taking the risks? You're not making any sense at all acoustic...the usual.

Hmmm...seems to me the article I just linked you to again explains it perfectly well. Congress ought to prevent Exxon from selling to the U.S. at all if it's just going to continue to milk the economy dry.

Now if drilling were to be allowed in ANWAR, I would expect our government's hand to be in that pot as well for providing the use of the land.

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High gas prices are not a perception, they're a reality. That reality is directly tied to the moronic twits in the demoscat controlled congress.

Of course gas prices are a reality. Why you wouldn't think that has anything to perception escapes me. People perceive more of their money flowing into their gas tanks, and realize that they may not have as much money to use elsewhere, and so they spend less elsewhere. (Many people out of necessity.) You don't think that makes people cynical about the economy?

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It's just a lie the middle class didn't participate in the economic boom in America in the last 5 years...an absolute lie, told by lying leftist morons.

I bet you can't disprove it.

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Home ownership was the highest in US history....and also highest among minorities. You've swallowed the Marxist Kool-Aid. Is there any lie they tell that you won't swallow like mother's milk?

You should, and I believe you DO know better. You want to talk about record homeownership while the President and Congress try to find a means of bailing out more eminent foreclosures? Where's the logic? Talk about drinking Kool-Aid? Talk about believing lies! You always were a fan of irony.

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Oil prices will plummet like boulders falling out of the sky as futures contracts for oil take dump after dump after dump and they can't get out because no one will buy them out out of their contracts with the prices falling. They're going to lose their as$es and they will know that.

That's really poor speculation on your part.

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Slate is a very far leftist piece of crap with shiitforbrains writers who have a very large ax to grind. They're dismissed by anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together.

Like FrontPageMag or NewsMAx?

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Now acoustic, it's all be laid out for you, chapter and verse and what I've said cannot be refuted...because it's all true.

Far from, but I'll take this moment to invite your friends to come jump in, and bail you out. Since I'm apparently just as intolerable as you. Come take away my Lion Hunting license.

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posted May 08, 2008 11:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Re: the middle class not benefiting from the most recent boom, up until even the last couple of years...I can think of numerous examples of people I know, their family members, or people they know who are middle class and greatly benefited. I personally

You live in the Bay Area AG...you should have plenty of examples yourself...of average, middle class people selling their homes for twice, three, 5 times what they bought it for (depending of course on when they bought), or refinancing and building pools, landscaping, kitchen remodels, new cars, trips. I knew average people who received hiring bonuses that provided them the opportunity to buy stock which in turn shot up, they cashed out, and bought a house...or took a trip...or bought a car...or partied like a Kennedy for a couple mos...

Up until 2-3 years ago, jobs were flowing like water in the Bay Area. Wages were shooting up (as were rents...bleh).

If you're in real estate or mortgage, you should have abundant examples of people from average backgrounds who have benefited greatly....?

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posted May 09, 2008 02:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Honestly, I don't have any examples to back up your assertion, and I'm not saying that to be contrary. I likely don't know as many people around here as you.

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In 2000, at the end of the previous economic expansion, the median American family made about $61,000, according to the Census Bureau's inflation-adjusted numbers. In 2007, in what looks to have been the final year of the most recent expansion, the median family, amazingly, seems to have made less - about $60,500.

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More than anything else - more than even the war in Iraq - the stagnation of the great American middle-class machine explains the glum national mood today. As part of a poll that will be released Wednesday, the Pew Research Center asked people how they had done over the last five years. During that time, remember, the overall economy grew every year, often at a good pace.

Yet most respondents said they had either been stuck in place or fallen backward. Pew says this is the most downbeat short-term assessment of personal progress in almost a half-century of polling.


I think that spells out the author's argument pretty well.

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What's a demoscat?

That's not even funny to crack up on

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posted May 10, 2008 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DEMOSCAT

demo...for democrat.
scat...for demos who want to scat, (run, vamoose, take a hike, skedaddle, slither) out of Iraq and give a military victory to our terrorist enemies.

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posted May 10, 2008 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
uh oh

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posted May 10, 2008 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting and timely article:
Did electing a Democratic Congress in 2006 really lead to increased unemployment, higher gas prices and more home foreclosures?

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