posted May 10, 2008 05:44 PM            

All of the men and women in this video have died in Iraq.
All of them have family and friends who will never see them again.
Many more have been wounded, and this is only a fraction of the Iraqi civilian deaths.

I strongly feel that the human cost of the war in Iraq is not emphasized enough. For the last 8 months, on average 90 coalition soldiers have died EVERY month!

That's 90 families devastated, 90 groups of friends shattered, 90 lives per month cut short, and there's no end in sight, only escalation.

As I looked for more information on the causalities of the war, I cam across an excellent website from CNN. They provide lists of all the casualties of the Iraq war including how they were killed and a photo. Check it out at:
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq...

As you start to put faces, personalities and lives like your own to the numbers you hear on the news at night it puts an entirely different slant on the overall cost of the Iraq war.

This is the first step I am taking to make a stand, and I hope it inspires others to stop and think about the true cost this war has, and to think critically about whether or not we are taking the right road to peace, or indeed if we are making constant war our reality.

posted May 11, 2008 09:03 AM              

Sadly, this is not something the American Government cared about when they decided to go to war with Iraq.

It is far easier to judge someone than to try to understand them, isn't it?
By this I don't mean Saddam, because we all know he was a tyrant.

Its all the other issues we need to look into.

We need to see it from all sides and angles.

posted May 11, 2008 10:54 AM              

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I strongly feel that the human cost of the war in Iraq is not emphasized enough. For the last 8 months, on average 90 coalition soldiers have died EVERY month!

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I agree. I think the media has whitewashed how many we have lost, not to mention the Iraqi death toll. We're certainly not seeing the images we did during the Vietnam War. It's bad PR. Unless you know someone in the military, it's all too easy to forget the realities of this War. The average person doesn't seem to be involved - emotionally or mentally.

posted May 11, 2008 10:59 AM              

There's just so much in the world that needs to change first.

posted May 11, 2008 11:01 AM            

You see, logic and common sense demands I ask you that question because I never, ever once, no not once, saw any of you shed a single tear over those.

Since you haven't and still never ever mention these people in your rants about the sacredness of "every human life", logic and common sense demands I brand you as posers engaged in a propaganda war against the United States and the US military. Phonies from the top most hair on your heads to the soles of your feet.

Now, of the innocent Iraqi civilians who have been killed since the invasion to topple the Butcher of Baghdad began, by far and away the most of those were killed by the terrorists themselves, killed by intent and deliberately by terrorists and not by the United States military forces.

Still, in keeping with your phony caring campaign in which you say every life is "sacred", you never, ever, not once bemoaned the loss of those lives. You never so much as even mention those. Phonies and posers attempting to pass yourselves off as the "caring ones".

And while you've been screeching and howling, a genocide has been ongoing in Sudan. Islamic terrorists are deliberately, intentionally killing and raping in the Darfur region of Sudan. They've racked up almost a million more deaths of the innocent there. Not one word of concern has been seen for those lost innocent lives you say are "sacred"...since every life is sacred..so you say.

Again, phony posers from the top most hair on your heads to the soles of your feet. You've been found missing with nothing to say about those..."sacred lives". No, not one word. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/004010.html

More recently, a cyclone ravaged the former Burma, now called Myanmar. The death toll may rise to as high as 100,000 to 500,000 with 60,000 already declared dead or missing. Some parts of the country have not even been surveyed yet.

The military dictatorship there has already seized the food and other aid which arrived.

But, where the hell were you to show your concern for those whose "sacred" lives were wiped out in minutes and those who are going to starve or die of disease? No even so much as a blue heart or a red heart escaped from your keyboards. Phonies from the top most hair on your heads to the soles of your feet.

Your "every life is sacred" wears thin when it's realized it's just part of a propaganda campaign against the United States and the US military and that you don't really mean a word of it.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/004071.html

Some will say I'm just picking on you. that there are others who haven't commented on those deaths either or shown any concern.

So, am I just picking on you?

Damned right and for obvious reasons. You're the phony bullshiiit artists who would have everyone believe you have rivers of spiritual waters gushing out of every pore of your bodies. Others don't hold themselves out as paragons of spiritual virtue...just you "caring ones" do.

You seem to have the time to comment upon every other topic under the sun but not one stroke from your keyboards has been devoted to these other lives you say are "sacred". Those "sacred" lives have no propaganda value in your campaign against the United States and the US military.

Phony posers from the top most hair on your heads to the soles of your feet.

posted May 11, 2008 11:06 AM              

As for the threads you mentioned, I'm sure typing in a comment there is going to make a lot of difference, however, its perfectly ok for people to talk about these things they feel sad about; that's human.

The fact is jwhop, you don't know me and you know nothing about me.
I realized a while ago that if I were to dwell on all of the suffering in the world, unless I could do something about it, it would be of no use.

So I don't dwell on images which are going to haunt me, I simply acknowledge them.

posted May 11, 2008 11:12 AM              

How do you feel about the statement that "every life is sacred"?

Tell me what your beliefs are, if you will.

posted May 11, 2008 11:16 AM            

Those who you say long for the return of Saddam were those in his family and those whom he favored.

You certainly won't find that sentiment among the Shiites in Iraq..and now, you won't find much support for that bullshiit among most of the Sunni either.

But, it's noted you have not one word and have not had one word to say about the "sacred" lives you've so far failed to shed a single tear over.

You and HSC are exactly what I said you are and your bullshiit is exactly what I said it is...a propaganda campaign against the United States and the US military.

posted May 11, 2008 12:49 PM            

When you get it turned back on yourselves, you whine.

posted May 11, 2008 12:58 PM              

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When you get it turned back on yourselves, you whine.

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posted May 11, 2008 11:43 PM              

If Saddam hadn't gotten so out of hand there would be no need for this War. Saddam got out of hand because we over-armed him and turned our back on his murderous, tyrannical regime for too many years, giving him the impression that he could do whatever the hell he wanted and he promptly did just that. We were forced to tolerate Saddam because he graciously helped keep the Iranians otherwise occupied in the brutal 9 year long Iran-Iraq war. Keeping Iran otherwise occupied was imperative because the Ayatollah Khomeini was in power and clearly the man was a nut. Iran was frightengly unstable in an already unstable region. The Ayatollah gained control after the Iranians revolted against the US backed Shah. They revolted with damn good reason too because the Shah was a corrupt and greedy despot (although they say a real nice guy once you got to know him). We backed the Shah because Churchill asked us to. Yes, you read that correctly. The British run Anglo-Iranian Oil company (you know them now as BP)owned all of Iran's oil. The Iranians were barely seeing a dime from it. A certain Dr Mohammed Mossadegh (look him up) had the unmitigated gall to suggest that maybe this wasn't really fair. He inspired the Iranian Parliment to nationalize the country's oil industry and .. horrors! .. was elected Prime Minister. Bad news for Britain. Naturally the man had to be taken out and because we wily Americans had better Iranian "contacts" than the Brits, Winston called Ike and cashed in a few favors and, after a little confusion, presto! Mossadegh was dead and the Shah was on the throne. Phew!

posted May 12, 2008 12:10 AM            

yeah and children

I mean... somebody needs to kick their ***** , right? Unless someone is powerful enough to just pray it away...

I struggled with all of this about 10 years ago.

So, there's a raging angry teen with guns hanging off of him, stalking through your school.
A gun falls from the arsenal he's carrying and slides under the bookshelf you are hiding behind.
You now have a loaded gun and his back will soon be to you.
If you fire the automatic weapon toward the back of the head you will stop him from killing 20 more students but you've never used one before and there is a possibility a bullet might hit another student in the library. You could also just stay silent, praying for him, yourself and others while you listen to more sounds of your classmates dying. You could just hide and use the gun only if you have to in order to protect yourself. And yes, you could hold the gun on him and try to talk to him, but there is a good chance he will shoot you before you have a chance to speak and then he will still continue his rampage.

What do you do?

posted May 12, 2008 12:24 AM              

I hope as many knowflakes as possible here will consider watching the links HSC posted here, on this thread, and the "U.S. SOLDIERS TESTIFY ON WAR ATROCITIES" thread.

posted May 12, 2008 02:15 AM            

First, make sure the safety is off.

If his back is to you, you have the drop on him.

Tell him "Don't move or I'll shoot."

If he moves, blow his ass away.

posted May 12, 2008 02:39 AM              

hope u didnt mean me , coz well.... having oneself diseected by someone who has never met me, talked to me in the 20 + years of my existence, and whose only communication has been to talk AT me rather than a conversation with me, albeit online.....lets say it would take a hell lot for ME or anyone to tke you seriously.

as for the darfur link, i missed it, but having said that i dont think its a compulsion with everyone, i know it IS with you to read every thread.

having said that i dont undersatnd what is with the Axe you need to grind with anyone who talks about human right violations if it involves the USA. i KNOW my govt is not perfect.i KNOW my country is not perfect.
i KNOW my people are not perfect.

Do i love my country ?

hell yeah

Am i proud of my country?

a little, we have a long way to go.

is anyone who points THAT out a low life worthy of Verbal Rape ?