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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted May 17, 2008 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Soldiers are refusing to participate in the Iraq War

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1uBI-KXsRM&feature=related

August 11, 2006 Iraq Veterans Against the War Press Conference at the Arlington Northwest Memorial. Seattle, Washington
www.ivaw.net Sgt. Ricky Clousing U.S. Army interrogator

A wave of soldiers are refusing to participate in the U.S. war against Iraq.
GI resisters are getting considerable support from other soldiers and veterans.

Following the press conference, a group of Iraq Veterans Against the War, along with former GI resisters and other supporters,
went with Ricky Clousing to Fort Lewis, where Ricky surrendered himself to military custody.

Seattle Draft and Military Counseling http://www.sdmcc.org/rickyclousing

Courage To Resist http://www.CourageToResist.org

The Movie: Sir! No Sir! http://www.sirnosir.com

Iraq Veterans Against The War http://www.ivaw.org

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted May 17, 2008 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sir! No Sir!

Trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDk6Qal2DCI

In the 1960's an anti-war movement emerged that altered the course of history. This movement didn't take place on college campuses, but in barracks and on aircraft carriers. It flourished in army stockades, navy brigs and in the dingy towns that surround military bases. It penetrated elite military colleges like West Point. And it spread throughout the battlefields of Vietnam. It was a movement no one expected, least of all those in it. Hundreds went to prison and thousands into exile. And by 1971 it had, in the words of one colonel, infested the entire armed services. Yet today few people know about the GI movement against the war in Vietnam. The Vietnam War has been the subject of hundreds of films, both fiction and non-fiction, but this story–the story of the rebellion of thousands of American soldiers against the war–has never been told in film.This is certainly not for lack of evidence. By the Pentagon's own figures, 503,926 "incidents of desertion" occurred between 1966 and 1971; officers were being "fragged"(killed with fragmentation grenades by their own troops) at an alarming rate; and by 1971 entire units were refusing to go into battle in unprecedented numbers. In the course of a few short years, over 100 underground newspapers were published by soldiers around the world; local and national antiwar GI organizations were joined by thousands; thousands more demonstrated against the war at every major base in the world in 1970 and 1971, including in Vietnam itself; stockades and federal prisons were filling up with soldiers jailed for their opposition to the war and the military. Yet few today know of these history-changing events. Sir! No Sir! will change all that. The film does four things: 1) Brings to life the history of the GI movement through the stories of those who were part of it; 2) Reveals the explosion of defiance that the movement gave birth to with never-before-seen archival material; 3) Explores the profound impact that movement had on the military and the war itself; and 4) The feature, 90 minute version, also tells the story of how and why the GI Movement has been erased from the public memory. I was part of that movement during the 60's, and have an intimate connection with it. For two years I worked as a civilian at the Oleo Strut in Killeen, Texas–one of dozens of coffeehouses that were opened near military bases to support the efforts of antiwar soldiers. I helped organize demonstrations of over 1,000 soldiers against the war and the military; I worked with guys from small towns and urban ghettos who had joined the military and gone to Vietnam out of a deep sense of duty and now risked their lives and futures to end the war; and I helped defend them when they were jailed for their antiwar activities. My deep connection with the GI movement has given me unprecedented access to those involved, along with a tremendous amount of archival material including photographs, underground papers, local news coverage and personal 8mm footage. Sir! No Sir! reveals how, thirty years later, the poem by Bertolt Brecht that became an anthem of the GI Movement still resonates: General, man is very useful. He can fly and he can kill. But he has one defect: He can think. --© Official Site

Visit www.sirnosir.com

Produced, Directed and Written by David Zeiger.

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jwhop
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posted May 17, 2008 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good, good. Going AWOL and refusing to report to an assigned duty station.

I see a military court marshal in his future with a conviction and a stay at Club Fed. Hopefully Club Fed at Leavenworth.

By all accounts Leavenworth is simply charming.

He won't have the defense he was drafted.

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/USA/US_soldier_refuses_to_serve_in_illegal_Iraq_war/articleshow/3049741.cms

its turning into a nig story, first in the papers now on channels in the international segments.


US soldier refuses to serve in 'illegal' Iraq war


WASHINGTON: Matthis Chiroux is the kind of young American US military recruiters love.

"I was from a poor, white family from the south, and I did badly in school," the now 24-year-old said. "I was 'filet mignon' for recruiters. They started phoning me when I was in 10th grade," or around 16 years old, he added.

Chiroux joined the army straight out of high school nearly six years ago, and worked his way up from private to sergeant. He served in Afghanistan, Germany, Japan, and the Philippines before he was honorably discharged and placed in the reserves. As a reservist, he was due to be deployed next month in Iraq. On Thursday, he refused to go. "I stand before you today with the strength and clarity and resolve to declare to the military, my government and the world that this soldier will not be deploying to Iraq," Chiroux said in Washington.

"My decision is based on my desire to no longer continue violating my core values to support an illegal and unconstitutional occupation... I refuse to participate in the Iraq occupation," he said, as a dozen veterans of the five-year-old Iraq war looked on.

Minutes earlier, Chiroux had cried openly as he listened to former comrades-in-arms testify before members of Congress about the failings of the Iraq war.

The testimonies were the first before Congress by Iraq veterans who have turned against the five-year-old war.

Former army sergeant Kristofer Goldsmith told the landmark hearing of 'lawless murders, looting and the abuse of countless Iraqis".

He spoke of the psychologically fragile men and women who return from Iraq to find little help or treatment offered from official circles. Goldsmith said he had "self-medicated" for several months to treat the wounds of the war.

Another soldier said he had to boost his medication to treat anxiety and social agoraphobia - two of many lingering mental wounds he carries since his deployments in Iraq - before testifying. Some 300,000 of the 1.6 million US soldiers who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan suffer from post-traumatic stress

disorder, depression or both, a study showed last month.

A group of veterans in the packed hearing room gazed blankly as their comrades' testimonies shattered the official version that the US effort in Iraq is succeeding.

Almost to a man, the testifiers denounced serious flaws in the chain of command in Iraq. Luis Montalvan, a former army captain, accused high-ranking US officers of numerous failures in Iraq, including turning a blind eye to massive fraud on the part of US contractors.


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is he going to be tried ?

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pidaua
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posted May 18, 2008 06:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This isn't news. This is an old story and has occured in EVERY conflict we have been in and in every conflict we will be in.

It is human nature. There are those that enlised in the Military thinking it was a job program that would provide them with meals, education and a steady income. When called to war (I am talking about the ALL Volunteer Military) they decide they don't want to serve their country.

They have a myriad of reasons but the biggest one is that "they don't support "THIS" war" **THIS meaning ANY war because they didn't think that being in the Military actually meant having to go to war.

For those that enlisted after 911.. well, they have no excuse. Only an idiot, living under a rock, without TV and no outside contact would not have known there was going to be a future combat possibility.


The ones I feel sorry for are those that are suffering from PTSD and going back for a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th deployment causes them to become severely aggitated, despondant or they crack. The Military has screening for such issues, as soon as they redeploy (come back from downrange) and before they deploy. If someone is truly suffering from PTSD they are not deployed. If someone if faking it (which one would be surprised at the number of phonies out there) they are deployed or discharged. No one wants to serve next to another Soldier that doesn't want to be there (due to the possibility of that Soldier endangering the lives of others).

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted May 18, 2008 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus,

The evidence is there.

These men are telling the truth.

Thank you for posting the article.


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posted May 18, 2008 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9YJiKjVJtg&feature=related

Chomsky on the differences between Vietnam and Iraq Protests

Noam Chomsky discusses the differences between the Vietnam and Iraq war protests.
He points out, quite rightly, that protests against the Iraq war are unprecedented in size.

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jwhop
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posted May 18, 2008 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does Chomsky point out that protests against the Iraq war are led by International ANSWER?

You know HSC, the communist front group for the Workers World Party...a communist support group of the Stalinist communist regime in North Korea.

Not to be forgotten is Ramsey Clark. Another communist stooge.

Let's see, the 3 stooges, Steve, Noam and Ramsey.

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