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BlueRoamer
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posted May 22, 2008 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These comments are clearly representative of the type of person John McCain really is.


(CNN) -- In the face of mounting controversy over headline-grabbing statements from the Rev. John Hagee, CNN has learned that presumptive Republican nominee John McCain decided Thursday to reject his endorsement.


Sen. John McCain speaks in February alongside the Rev. John Hagee, a Texas televangelist.

McCain told CNN's Brian Todd that he rejected the endorsement after Todd brought to his attention Hagee's comments that Adolf Hitler had been fulfilling God's will by hastening the desire of Jews to return to Israel in accordance with biblical prophecy.

"God says in Jeremiah 16: 'Behold, I will bring them the Jewish people again unto their land that I gave to their fathers. ... Behold, I will send for many fishers, and after will I send for many hunters. And they the hunters shall hunt them.' That would be the Jews. ... Then God sent a hunter. A hunter is someone who comes with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter," Hagee said, according to a transcript of his sermon.

In a statement to CNN on Thursday, McCain said "Obviously, I find these remarks and others deeply offensive and indefensible, and I repudiate them. I did not know of them before Rev. Hagee's endorsement, and I feel I must reject his endorsement as well." Watch how the Hagee endorsement unraveled »

Shortly after McCain's announcement Thursday afternoon, Hagee withdrew his endorsement, citing critics who had been "grossly misrepresenting" his positions.

"I am tired of these baseless attacks and fear that they have become a distraction in what should be a national debate about important issues. I have therefore decided to withdraw my endorsement of Sen. McCain for president effective today, and to remove myself from any active role in the 2008 campaign," he said in a statement.

"I hope that the Sen. McCain will accept this withdrawal so that he may focus on the issues that are most important to America and the world."

McCain also said that his relationship with Hagee did not compare with Sen. Barack Obama's lengthy association with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, whose own inflammatory comments remain, for some Republicans, a persistent campaign issue even though Obama has denounced his former minister.

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"I have said I do not believe Sen. Obama shares Rev. Wright's extreme views. But let me also be clear, Rev. Hagee was not and is not my pastor or spiritual adviser, and I did not attend his church for 20 years. I have denounced statements he made immediately upon learning of them, as I do again today," McCain said.

The Arizona senator had renounced comments from Hagee that termed the Catholic Church "the great ***** " and "an apostate church."

Hagee is pastor of a 19,000-member evangelical church in San Antonio, Texas, and founder of a global Christian broadcast network.

In a statement released before McCain rejected his endorsement, Hagee said his words had been taken out of context.

"The intentional mischaracterization of my statements by an Internet journalist seeking to use me as a political football in the upcoming presidential race is a gross example of bias at its worst. I will not stand idly by while my character is assassinated and my views on the Holocaust are grossly distorted.

"To assert that I in any way condone the Holocaust or that monster Adolf Hitler is the biggest and ugliest of lies. I have always condemned the horrors of the Holocaust in the strongest of terms." He also pointed to millions of dollars worth of donations his ministry had made to humanitarian efforts in Israel.

Hagee has been a strong supporter of Israel for years. One prominent Jewish group does not believe that the pastor is anti-Semitic but is deeply concerned with the comments.

"The notion that the Holocaust was part of God's plan ... as a way of punishing the Jews is a deeply, deeply troubling ... assertion to be repudiated by all people of conscience," said Rabbi David Saperstein of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism.

With his fellow Republican candidates trying to cast him as too liberal this year, McCain aggressively courted Christian conservative leaders to bolster his credentials with the GOP's base.

The impact on the self-styled maverick's standing among conservatives remains in question, with exit polling suggesting that the GOP's most conservative voters remain uneasy with him. Candidates who have suspended their campaigns, such as former Arkansas governor and Baptist minister Mike Huckabee, still poll in double digits.

And Hagee is not McCain's only religious backer whose comments have sparked controversy.

McCain has faced pressure to distance himself from the Rev. Rod Parsley over the minister's statement that Islam was "an antichrist religion that intends through violence to conquer the world."

The Council on American-Islamic Relations is calling on McCain to repudiate Parsley's endorsement.

A McCain spokesman says the senator rejects the remarks and adds that it's entirely inconsistent with what McCain believes. But the campaign is not rejecting the endorsement at the moment.

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Dervish
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posted May 23, 2008 12:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's plenty I don't like about McCain, but I think he handled this sitch far better than Obama did. As he said himself:

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"I have said I do not believe Sen. Obama shares Rev. Wright's extreme views. But let me also be clear, Rev. Hagee was not and is not my pastor or spiritual adviser, and I did not attend his church for 20 years. I have denounced statements he made immediately upon learning of them, as I do again today," McCain said.

Had he accepted it, it would be a black mark, but no more than when Clinton took money from known drug lords, child support evaders, and Moonies in 1996.

Had McCain been as intimately involved with Hagee, or Clinton as intimately inolved with his drug lord supporters or Moonies (as in a Moonie himself), then it would be a big deal, like Obama is a big deal being part of Wright's church.

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posted May 23, 2008 11:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I realize it's not the point of the article but, this uneasy relationship between American evagelicals and Isreal is such an interesting one. The motives are worth delving into. I understand there's a growing backlash among some Ultra Orthodox Jewish Israeli groups against evangelical Christian missionaries and Messianic Jews. Burning Bibles and that sort of thing.

an unholy alliance if ever there was one.

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posted May 24, 2008 03:16 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dervish, it is worth emphasizing that McCain sought out Hagee's endorsement, so even if he wasn't McCain's personal pastor, McCain still wanted Hagee to bring in votes for him. This is why it took McCain so long to actually reject him (and much longer than it took Obama to reject Wright). So it's simply a cheap shot by McCain to obscure that fact by comparing this to Obama and Wright. Obama's relationship with Wright was personal and never political, which was what he tried to tell people at first. That the media tried to make it political (and that Wright foolishly took the bait) is largely why Obama divorced himself from Wright.

McCain's investment in Hagee is purely political, so in a way this is worse. He used Hagee to get the traditionally Republican evangelical vote, and that's why he tolerated Hagee's comments about Katrina, as well as other offensive statements the pastor has made, because he cynically saw that as part of the evangelical culture - an anti-gay, misogynist, Catholic-bashing culture, judging by Hagee. McCain was OK with that, as long as he got that vote. But when you risk having Isreali leaders, the Anti-Defamation League and other Jewish organizations come down on you, that's apparently is another story. I guess it's nice to see that even a seasoned neo-con cynic like McCain has a line somewhere.

But Hagee's not McCain's only problem. As of today, McCain has been forced to reject another pastor's endorsement, that of pastor Rod Parsley, the "American was founded in part to destroy the false anti-Christ religion of Islam" guy (I'm paraphrasing a bit, but I'm not exaggerating). Parsley has also called for legal prosecution of people who commit adultery, compared Planned Parenthood to the Nazis and of course, being a good evangelical, has taken his far share of swipes at gays. If that's not troubling enough, McCain called Parsley a true American and a "spiritual guide" when courting him for his endorsement, holding Parsley up as some sort of spiritual ideal for the rest of America. Obama didn;t do anything close to that with Wright.

Like Hagee, McCain sought out Parsley's endorsement, although his vehement and disturbing anti-Islam views were known well before hand. Not only that, Parsley's views are known in the Islamic world and naturally, Muslims aren't very happy - especially American Muslims. Again, McCain's neo-con cynicism at work. As long as he has the key Republican vote, then the rest of America (and the world) can just go screw themselves. But now that it's being pointed out by the media that Parsley isn't just a political embarrassment, but a potential liability in regards to foreign policy (which McCain claims is his strength), McCain finally gets a clue.

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Dervish
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posted May 25, 2008 02:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can someone explain to me how politicians seek endorsements? I honestly don't know.

Today, a local politician came up to me asking for my support while I was out in the yard. She'd gotten our names and address from voter's registration. She mispronounced my roomie's name. She also mispronounced the name of another friend of mine. IOW, it doesn't sound like she knew anything about the people at all that she was seeking support from.


Is this the case with McCain? That is, he (or even his aides, which McCain then rubberstamps) seek out support wherever they can find it? Is McCain seeking the endorsements he has just a cynical bid for that money and voters in which he cares little for what they want as long as he can tap them? Or is it an honest sinister alliance against gays, Jews, Catholics, women, etc?

But ultimately, McCain is just an example. I've been reading of his history of seeking endorsements and I'm still in the dark on how it works. But I'm curious how it works for any politician, at any level (but higher the better in coming to understand how this works for McCain).

Just how does it work? Anyone ever work in a campaign like that? I'd be curious on the mechanics of it.

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