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Mama Mia
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posted June 03, 2008 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its on and Cracking..Go Obama and with Hillary on the team its a wrap for McCaine..Change is coming rather folks want to hear it or not..

WASHINGTON - Barack Obama effectively clinched the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday, becoming the first black candidate to lead a major party into a campaign for the White House. Vanquished rival Hillary Rodham Clinton swiftly signaled an interest in joining the ticket as running mate.

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Obama arranged a victory celebration at the site of this summer's Republican National Convention — an in-your-face gesture to Sen. John McCain, who will be his opponent in the race to become the nation's 44th president.

The 46-year-old Obama outlasted Clinton in a historic campaign that sparked record turnouts in primary after primary, yet exposed deep racial and gender divisions within the party.

In a campaign of surprises, Clinton's comments about joining the ticket rated high.

According to one participant in an afternoon conference call among Clinton and members of the New York congressional delegation, Rep. Lydia Velasquez said she believed the best way for Obama to win over Hispanics and members of other key voting blocs would be to take the former first lady as his running mate.

"I am open to it," Clinton replied, if it would help the party's prospects in November, said the participant, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the call was a private matter.

Obama sealed his victory based on public declarations from delegates as well as from an additional 18 who had confirmed their intentions to the AP. The count also included five delegates Obama was guaranteed as long as he gained 15 percent of the vote in South Dakota and Montana later in the day. It takes 2,118 delegates to clinch the nomination.

Clinton stood ready to concede that her rival had amassed the delegates needed to triumph, according to officials in her campaign. They stressed that the New York senator did not intend to suspend or end her candidacy in a speech Tuesday night in New York. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they had not been authorized to divulge her plans.

Obama's triumph was fashioned on prodigious fundraising, meticulous organizing and his theme of change aimed at an electorate opposed to the Iraq war and worried about the economy — all harnessed to his own innate gifts as a campaigner.

With her husband's two-White House terms as a backdrop, Clinton campaigned for months as the candidate of experience, a former first lady and second-term senator ready, she said, to take over on Day One.

But after a year on the campaign trail, Obama won the kickoff Iowa caucuses on Jan. 3, and the freshman senator became something of an overnight political phenomenon.

"We came together as Democrats, as Republicans and independents, to stand up and say we are one nation, we are one people and our time for change has come," he said that night in Des Moines.

A video produced by Will I. Am and built around Obama's "Yes, we can" rallying cry quickly went viral. It drew its one millionth hit within a few days of being posted.

As the strongest female presidential candidate in history, Clinton drew large, enthusiastic audiences. Yet Obama's were bigger still. One audience, in Dallas, famously cheered when he blew his nose on stage; a crowd of 75,000 turned out in Portland, Ore., the weekend before the state's May 20 primary.

The former first lady countered Obama's Iowa victory with an upset five days later in New Hampshire that set the stage for a campaign marathon as competitive as any in the last generation.

"Over the last week I listened to you, and in the process I found my own voice," she told supporters who had saved her candidacy from an early demise.

In defeat, Obama's aides concluded they had committed a cardinal sin of New Hampshire politics, forsaking small, intimate events in favor of speeches to large audiences inviting them to ratify Iowa's choice.

It was not a mistake they made again — which helped explain Obama's later outings to bowling alleys, backyard basketball hoops and American Legion halls in the heartland.

Clinton conceded nothing, memorably knocking back a shot of Crown Royal whiskey at a bar in Indiana, recalling that her grandfather had taught her to use a shotgun, and driving in a pickup to a gas station in South Bend, Ind., to emphasize her support for a summertime suspension of the federal gasoline tax.

As other rivals quickly fell away in winter, the strongest black candidate in history and the strongest female White House contender traded victories on Super Tuesday, the Feb. 5 series of primaries and caucuses across 21 states and American Samoa that once seemed likely to settle the nomination.

But Clinton had a problem that Obama exploited, and he scored a coup she could not answer.

Pressed for cash, the former first lady ran noncompetitive campaigns in several Super Tuesday caucus states, allowing her rival to run up his delegate totals.

At the same time, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., endorsed the young senator in terms that summoned memories of his slain brothers while seeking to turn the page on the Clinton era.

In a reference that likened former President Clinton to Harry Truman: "There was another time, when another young candidate was running for president and challenging America to cross a new frontier. He faced criticism from the preceding Democratic president, who was widely respected in the party."

Merely by surviving Super Tuesday, Obama exceeded expectations.

But he did more than survive, emerging with a lead in delegates that he never relinquished, and proceeded to run off a string of 11 straight victories.

Clinton saved her candidacy once more with primary victories in Ohio and Texas on March 4, beginning a stretch in which she won primaries in six of the final nine states on the calendar, as well as in Puerto Rico.

It was a strong run, providing glimpses of what might have been for the one-time front-runner.

But by then Obama was well on his way to victory, Clinton and her allies stressed the popular vote instead of delegates. Yet he seemed to emerge from each loss with residual strength.

Obama's bigger-than-expected victory in North Carolina on May 6 offset his narrow defeat in Indiana the same day. Four days later, he overtook Clinton's lead among superdelegates, the party leaders she had hoped would award her the nomination on the basis of a strong showing in swing states.

Obama lost West Virginia by a whopping 67 percent to 26 percent on May 13. Yet he won an endorsement the following day from former presidential rival and one-time North Carolina Sen. John Edwards.

Clinton administered another drubbing in Kentucky a week later. This time, Obama countered with a victory in Oregon, and turned up that night in Iowa to say he had won a majority of all the delegates available in 56 primaries and caucuses on the calendar.

There were moments of anger, notably in a finger-wagging debate in South Carolina on Jan. 21.

Obama told the former first lady he was helping unemployed workers on the streets of Chicago when "you were a corporate lawyer sitting on the board at Wal-Mart."

Moments later, Clinton said that she was fighting against misguided Republican policies "when you were practicing law and representing your contributor ... in his slum landlord business in inner city Chicago."

And Bill Clinton was a constant presence and an occasional irritant for Obama. The former president angered several black politicians when he seemed to diminish Obama's South Carolina triumph by noting that Jesse Jackson had also won the state.

Obama's frustration showed at the Jan. 21 debate, when he accused the former president in absentia of uttering a series of distortions.

"I'm here. He's not," the former first lady snapped.

"Well, I can't tell who I'm running against sometimes," Obama countered.

There were relatively few policy differences. Clinton accused Obama of backing a health care plan that would leave millions out, and the two clashed repeatedly over trade.

Yet race, religion, region and gender became political fault lines as the two campaigned from coast to coast.

Along the way, Obama showed an ability to weather the inevitable controversies, most notably one caused by the incendiary rhetoric of his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

At first, Obama said he could not break with his longtime spiritual adviser. Then, when Wright spoke out anew, Obama reversed course and denounced him strongly.

Clinton struggled with self-inflicted wounds. Most prominently, she claimed to have come under sniper fire as first lady more than a decade earlier while paying a visit to Bosnia.

Instead, videotapes showed her receiving a gift of flowers from a young girl who greeted her plane.

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Mannu
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posted June 03, 2008 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

America likes young presidents Mc cain will have a tough time .

And majority are fools as have been proven time again

Politics sucks anyways.

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I'm leaving the Democratic Party.

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posted June 03, 2008 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a day of pride for all of America. We have officially nominated a presidential candidate that is not a caucasian male. We have come a long way since the days of slavery, and on this day I am proud to say I am an American, a place where everyone has equal opportunity, regardless of race!

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posted June 04, 2008 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As a child of a black man and white woman like Barack, I don't care if a part black person is president nor do I care if a woman is president. All I care about is Democrats getting back in the White House and the end of Bush's policies.


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posted June 04, 2008 01:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, change is coming, just like the change Bush promised.

Actually, can Bush now run for VP? I think he'd be perfect for Obama. Let's see...a uniter not a divider, check; about change, check; cares about health care (and DID create a senior prescription plan, so experienced now, too!), check; cares about the environment (at least he did until Enron went under, but he was still more of a doer here than Al Gore in any case), check; overcome past of drug abuse to gain political office, check; the type of person the working class joe would like to have a beer with, check; all in all, Bush is PERFECT to be Obama's running mate, as their overall platforms when not running against an incumbent are so similar!

Vote for Obama/Bush 2008, they stand for change!

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posted June 04, 2008 01:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dervish I don't know what you're talking about but I think it's pretty clear that OBama and Bush's policies are quite different.

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posted June 04, 2008 03:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What Bush promised and what was said about Bush back when he was running in 2000 when no incumbent was fighting for the role is very much what Obama is saying (and having said about him) now that he's not running against an incumbent. I realize that many people can't remember that far back, but I can. It's a gift, though it makes me feel a bit like Cassandra sometimes in that past becomes prelude but so many don't have the memory to be lucid about it and comically act surprised when the same thing happens over and over again.

That is, Obama is something of rerun. Which is why he's at least semi-electable. People don't want change, they want what's familiar, which ironically includes promises of change, unity, etc. The promise of change, unity, etc, are important, I suppose, as it also creates a sense of urgency which is helpful to their respective side, though that's just a guess for why that ironic pattern exists. Another possibility is that people are so insanely stupid that they just keep falling for the same tricks over and over again, unable to learn. But I prefer to believe the former over the latter.

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posted June 04, 2008 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really don't see him as a rerun, all candidates have something in common, but I think you aren't examining the policies. A democratic presidency is very different than a republican one. Perhaps you are implying that it is all a game, a pony show, and it doesnt' matter whos in office, in some conspiratorial fashion?

All candidates use certain tactics to get elected, if they didn't use them they wouldn't get elected. Once their in office it's not about their tactics, its about how they are going to lead the country.

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posted June 04, 2008 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I am saying it's a pony show. More on that later in another thread.

And it's not about leading the country. Because no matter what they do, they'll be supported or opposed not by how they vote or lead, but what party they belong to. Their voting record also means much less than what they SAY they're going to do, though why this is so is beyond me. If those people who are so credulous toward their party of choice were to be so gullible with me, I'd get rich fast selling them swampland in Arizona.

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posted June 04, 2008 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think for the many people, it's about the lesser of two evils.

Don't be too cynical Dervish, there is hope for America yet.

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posted June 04, 2008 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Btw, someone made a very good point about the "leadership" of Obama, and why Change is important but Obama isn't the man for it:

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I happen to also feel that it's not right for people to consume huge amounts of the Earth's resources just because they want to live comfortably at the expense of others. Yes, I have the right to live as I choose - but I also have the responsibility not to cause undue harm to the world and its people in the process.

The problem I have is Obama's message of "we can't". We should be saying "We can, and we will make it so everyone else can too!"

Instead of saying, "You can't drive your SUV," we should be saying, "Let's make an new kind of SUV that everyone can drive without causing the harm that they do now." Instead of saying, "You can't run your A/C so high," we should be saying, "Let's put our heads together and find new and better ways to heat and cool our homes."

We can apply this across the board:

Instead of: "We can't fund Social Security."
We should say: "We need to find a better way to provide for people in their retirement years."

Instead of: "The war against terror will never be over."
We should say: "By trying new approaches, we can make the war against terror unnecessary."

Instead of: "We can't avoid importing foreign oil."
We should say: "We can and we will find new ways to generate energy that don't require foreign oil."

In other words, we should be focusing on innovation, not immobilization. We need a leader, not a warden.


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Mama Mia
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posted June 05, 2008 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YEahhhhhh for Obama don't care what the haters say..You can't fight ignorance so why try..Obama will be our next President..McCain's old azz don't stand a chance..He might as well go make plans to hang out with Bush's tired azz...

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Dervish, i love what you wrote and i agree with it. Obama has no clear plan for any of the issues facing America today. The only reason I feel ok about him is that he does suggest change and as they say " perception is reality" so maybe he can usher real change in for the future. As far as black or white, it makes no difference to me either. I never labeled him black until i started reading the news. Before that he was just Obama to me.

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posted June 05, 2008 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll keep repeating this till i'm blue in the face.

Anything is better than Bush, even McCain. Try to put things in perspective.

What sort of plan did Bush present before coming into office?

Did he say his plan was to enter a quagmire war and plunge our nation into a recession?

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posted June 05, 2008 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have you been to his site? It shows the layout of his plans. If you watched his speeches, he explains stuff pretty well. You can see his speeches on youtube.

here is his website. all you have to do is look under issues.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/


He talks about the problems. Then he talks about his plans.


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posted June 05, 2008 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, Earth to airheads everywhere!

The economy is not in recession and hasn't been in recession since Bush came into office and ended the Clinton economic slide into recession.

In fact, for most of the last 5 years, the economy of the United States has boomed...due to tax cuts for individuals and business...including the cut in capital gains taxes.

The war in Iraq is not a quagmire. Mopping up operations are in progress there. Joint operations with American trained Iraqi military and police have almost cleared al-Qaeda out of Iraq along with Sunni and Shiia militias.

The Washington Post is cautioning O'Bomber to change his stance on Iraq...before he gets egg all over his face.

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Did he say his plan was to enter a quagmire war and plunge our nation into a recession?...Blue Roamer

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posted June 05, 2008 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obama seems too phony to me.

Oflate I heard that he got 300k off a property they purchased because of ties with a corrupt man called Tony Rezko. The latter even sponsored his campaign with 250k. And Obama even bought a million dollar house next to them. I would like a fair liberal journalist to report whats going on before its too late. But apparently the 10 year old media is still drooling over a young man. The wisdom of a wise man is down the drain. I think the liberals must watch the movie "cars" to get an idea of what I mean to say


It may not be as big of a scandal as the Clinton's in Watergate. Well I must be growing up when the Watergate scandal took place. I have no idea if the Clintons are guilty really. Is that Rezko thing same with Obama or are all Politicians really phony?


The brainwashed liberals of this country gives power to politicians and the brainwashed conservatives of this country give power to priests. If they can see past their choices , theres nothing but marvel.

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posted June 05, 2008 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Mannu,

your condescending and patronizing never ceases to amaze me.

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posted June 06, 2008 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and you are too naive Glaucus, too out of touch with reality.

rule number 1:

campaign money = bribery

rule number 2:

politicians are just like you and me - they too want to make more money , live in bigger house and build a secure nest. mask of public service is just a show.

and don't forget what George Washington said in his farewell speech. :

Politics will be a great threat to the security of this country in the future.
(paraphrased)

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posted June 06, 2008 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"and you are too naive Glaucus, too out of touch with reality."

No I am not

You don't know me

I am far from naive

to tell me that I am too out of touch with reality that's really an insult

and that confirms your condescending and patronizing attitude

just because people don't share your views,beliefs,and opinions don't necessarily mean people are naive,out of touch with reality reality,clueless nor stupid.

That goes for both liberals and conservatives.

I am liberal myself,and there is nothing wrong with that just like there is nothing wrong with me having alternative religious/spiritual beliefs.


of course, I should expect that from a person
who think that it's ok for arch-racist,hate group KKK to assassinate Obama.


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posted June 07, 2008 07:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are not only naive but idiotic.
I said KKK exists because of rights given by constitution under the first amendment. I never said they are right in planning to execute Obama. I don't know how this idea entered your head?

Before, I was for abolishing all amendments.
But the more I think about the idiots of the world we live in and the number of few smart people in them, the more I stand for these amendments. To protect the smart people.

If socialists like Obama or anyone violates the constitution , then I will personally lead a regulated militia and blow his and others head off. I will be totally protected by "second" amendment.

He and other "false" American socialists better be afraid of future possible militants like me and be constitutional for their own survival. Otherwise I promise there will be blood.


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posted June 07, 2008 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow you call me idiotic?????


You REALLY are CONDESCENDING AND PATRONIZING

I may be Dyslexic,Dyspraxic, ADHD, but I have above average intelligence like many of my fellow neurodivergents.

I am not idiotic nor am I stupid because I don't share your views,beliefs,opinions


It's easy for you to talk smack to people behind a computer.

how about saying your crap in my face?????
especially to a person with Sun,Mercury,and Venus in Scorpio along with their dispositor Pluto in 1st quincunx Moon and contraparallel Sun.

only cowards talk smack to people behind a computer


This is exactly what you typed in response to my post about a KKK leader talking about assassination of Obama

"Well thats why America has second amendment.

For instance , if there is a socialist president stealing tax payers money like in typical islam countries. He ought to be gunned down.

The forefathers thought about it."

I mean...damn...why even respond like that???? http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/004096.html

After calling me idiotic and not just naive,out of touch with reality, I am very convinced that you're a condescending and patronizing jerk who talks down to people because they don't share your views,beliefs,and opinions.
Because of that, I strongly dislike you and will no longer exchange words with you. You're not worth my time nor anybody else's time unless they are condescending,patronizing jerks like you.

It seems like all you do is talk smack to people. You definitely don't contribute much. Are you even an astrologer or into the metaphysical stuff like me and many other people in this forum. As for me, I believe in the metaphysical and I am an astrologer(my Dyslexic,Dyspraxia,ADHD is great for thinking outside the box,problem solving,visualizing concepts). A lot of people know me on this board. They know that I am not idiotic but very intelligent and that I am an idealist that believe in my fellow Pisces Moon, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr's dream but I temper that with realism in that I know that the world is not perfect but messed up in a lot of ways. I know that even though I believe in equality of all human beings, I know that there are a lot bigots,bigots,sexists,as well as condescending,patronizing jerks like you that make our world a bad place.

Because of my multiethnic,multicultural background,I believe that we should all get along. Because of my special education experiences(the way I was treated because of my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia), I believe in treating others like I want to be treated a human being with a soul.

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posted June 07, 2008 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will record what you wrote here.
Its a seal of your idiocy


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After calling me idiotic and not just naive,out of touch with reality, I am very convinced that you're a condescending and patronizing jerk who talks down to people because they don't share your views,beliefs,and opinions.
Because of that, I strongly dislike you and will no longer exchange words with you. You're not worth my time nor anybody else's time unless they are condescending,patronizing jerks like you.

It seems like all you do is talk smack to people. You definitely don't contribute much. Are you even an astrologer or into the metaphysical stuff like me and many other people in this forum. As for me, I believe in the metaphysical and I am an astrologer(my Dyslexic,Dyspraxia,ADHD is great for thinking outside the box,problem solving,visualizing concepts). A lot of people know me on this board. They know that I am not idiotic but very intelligent and that I am an idealist that believe in my fellow Pisces Moon, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr's dream but I temper that with realism in that I know that the world is not perfect but messed up in a lot of ways. I know that even though I believe in equality of all human beings, I know that there are a lot bigots,bigots,sexists,as well as condescending,patronizing jerks like you that make our world a bad place.

Because of my multiethnic,multicultural background,I believe that we should all get along. Because of my special education experiences(the way I was treated because of my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia), I believe in treating others like I want to be treated a human being with a soul.



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