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zanya
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posted December 05, 2007 07:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the following is an intriguing article about the large extent of government infiltration of discussion boards on the internet. seemingly anonymous posters. the author focuses on the FBI, but i would venture to say that this activity extends beyond this one agency.

while i find his information about intelligence agencies on the internet useful, i do find some of the connections he makes questionable. interesting stuff, if reviewed with appropriate filters for personal agendas.

Chapter 4: FBI Surveillance on the Internet

The Internet Police

In the spring of 2003, I began posting my findings about John Lennon’s murder on an Internet discussion forum about the Beatles: rec.music.beatles. A few people responded in a civilized manner, but overall, the response was vitriolic, demented, vulgar, and sadistic. The participants on rec.music.beatles quickly became more interested in learning and publicizing my true identity than responding to my research. Their message was clear and uniform: Stop discussing Lennon’s murder! This reaction was not entirely unexpected. Over the past six years, I have posted political and historical commentary on numerous Internet discussion forums and typically I get similar reactions when posting controversial articles. Having stated that, the loathsome comments I received from individuals on rec.music.beatles in response to my Lennon articles stands out in comparison to other discussion forums. Usually I post to serious, political forums, so a degree of nastiness is expected. Why would I be greeted with such rudeness from an overtly light-hearted forum? It’s the Beatles, after all, so why all the fuss? Because the Beatles’ leader, John Lennon, was one of the most politically active and highly influential voices in the tumultuous Sixties.

Surprisingly, the most viscous and vulgar comments I received from rec.music.beatles dealt with a lapse in Lennon’s security on the night he was killed. The discussion centered around Jose Perdomo, the security guard tasked to protect the iron-gate entrance of the Dakota on the night Lennon was killed. As previously stated, Perdomo was an anti-Castro Cuban, a group with strong ties to the US intelligence community since the failed Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961. On June 17, 2003, I started a discussion thread entitled Jose Perdomo, doorman or security guard? It was a spin-off from another discussion between Derek Larsson and someone named Cromwell. Derek wrote: "There also seems to be a profound lack of security provided by doorman Jose Perdomo - whose job it was to protect all tenants (several of them celebrities) from strangers and hangers-on and who was the only ‘eye-witness’ to the shooting. His background needs to be investigated." Cromwell replied: "He was a doorman NOT A BODYGUARD." I disagreed: "‘Doorman’ is a misleading title," I remarked. "The doorman at the Dakota is a glorified security guard. I know because I've been there. I talked to one of the doormen. He was definitely security…The word ‘doorman’ suggests he is a bellhop. I'm not even sure if doorman is a genuine title or something the media created. The doorman does not stand by a door, he stands at the entrance of the Dakota. The entrance is about 15 feet wide with iron gates on both sides, but the gates are normally open. Derek is correct in stating that Jose Perdomo's job was to protect the tenants."

The Internet police immediately launched an assault to thwart the security-related discussion. Someone using the screen name Tna Yzarc re-titled the thread "Salvatorwriter, ******* , bumboy, neo-nazi or security guard?" I responded by changing it back to the original title and recited the poem If by Rudyard Kipling. Tna Yzarc retitled it "Salvadorwriter, moron or murderer?" I continued changing the title back and reciting If a bit more. Tna Yzarc changed the titled to "Salvadorwriter **** OFF AND STOP SPAMMING YOU ******* ." Tna Yzarc then wrote the following extremely vulgar comment: "I think you're a pathetic stupid **** and you should go back to ******* your mom." Someone named Jim sarcastically replied, "Wow - what a CLEVER response!!" Black Monk replied, "You think Sally deserves better?" Charlie Gauger (aka, Mister Charlie) remarked, "Hey, it works for me." Susan added, "A bit crude, but it works." Charlie Gauger (aka, Mister Charlie) added the following insults: "Of course, like a dog returning to its own vomit Sal comes back yet again." Someone called "Ehtue" complimented Charlie Gauger on his word choice: "What a turn of phrase! I'll steal that one for sure some time in the future! Somewhere, somehow." Fourteen sample messages in the cited discussion thread about Jose Perdomo are provided in Appendix K. (See messages 56 through 69.)

This was a thoroughly despicable display, but it was quite revealing. It was not merely a few cranks blowing off steam. The discussion itself was not political or even controversial in nature. It was politically neutral, a discussion about the crime scene where John Lennon was murdered and a probable lapse in security when the crime occurred. This is the type of information prosecutors need to bring guilty parties to justice. The ensuing assault on me was clearly a joint effort by several people, probably sponsored by the FBI, paid for by the American tax payer. To my knowledge, the topic of FBI activity on Internet discussion forums has never been discussed seriously in any book. I shall attempt to do that now, and I shall use my discussions on Beatles newsgroup, rec.music.beatles, as a case study for observing FBI activity across the entire Usenet community.

Eyes on the prize - taming of the Internet

If we accept William Sullivan’s view—from Chapter 3—that the FBI’s primary mission is propaganda, then it becomes obvious why taming the Internet is the Bureau’s top priority. The Internet allows people to communicate with one another without conventional constraints such as newspaper editors, journalists, and other media gatekeepers. The Internet has obviously created problems for the power elite who wish to the keep citizens of the world in the dark as they have since the dawn of civilization. In theory, there are no overt gatekeepers of information flow on the Internet, but I will demonstrate—in this chapter—that there are plenty of covert gatekeepers. The FBI in particular must control it because the Internet is having such a dramatic impact on all facets of life on the planet. The Internet has dramatically transformed business and society, and will undoubtedly continue to do so. It has revolutionized communications and methods of commerce by allowing various computer networks around the world to interconnect. It provides a capability so powerful and general that it can be used for almost any purpose that depends on information, and is easily accessible by anyone. It supports human communication via electronic mail (e-mail), "chat rooms," newsgroups, and audio and video transmission. It also allows people to work collaboratively at several different locations. It supports access to digital information by many applications, including the World Wide Web. The Internet has proved to be a spawning ground for a large and growing number of "e-businesses" that carry out most of their sales and services over the Internet.

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FBI Discussion Board Infiltration

***i post this article in FFA, as i feel that it relates to our posting behavior and awareness. intentions not for political discussion.

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yourfriendinspirit
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posted April 17, 2008 07:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Crazy stuff I tell you.

We should all be aware of our posting habits, most specifically in regards to political references. Now with Al Gore watching us up top in that banner, I mean *Geesh! (just kidding)

Really though this was an interesting article thank you Zanya

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venusdeindia
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posted April 18, 2008 01:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanx zanya, heard about the ID on clothes. they will be able to rack ur activities thru tags on ur clothes

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Geocosmic Valentine
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posted April 18, 2008 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's why I always find it strange that people post their photos here and someone keeps starting threads asking people to "Post more photos". And then people post the most private events of their lives here as well. They post pictures of their children and their spouses. Then their profile tells where they live. It's just not very wise. You're participating in "them" watching you. Just think about it for a while.

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BlueRoamer
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posted April 18, 2008 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree completely Geo.

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praecipua
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posted April 18, 2008 08:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
but guys, we are already on the database, somewhere else, they'll track you through your email, in just one more click.

so you may as well let us see your pretty faces...


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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted April 18, 2008 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I'm not gonna hide my face or basic info.

Plenty of people risk a hell of a lot more.

I'm not scared, and I'll go on living my life as usual.

F*ck the police. lol

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Solane Star
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posted April 18, 2008 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great post topic zanya!!!

I think this is what the world is afraid of...Love and Peace!!!

The U.S vs John Lennon.....Love and Light
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JxpavQb_Fc

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goatgirl
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posted April 19, 2008 07:40 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your IP address is logged anytime you use the Internet, so whether you use forum boards, or email or search, or watch youtube it doesn't matter whether you post pictures or your name or address or whatnot, it's already known because the telephone companies have all that information already.

The Cool, Cool River by Paul Simon

Moves like a fist through the traffic
Anger and no one can heal it
Shoves a little bump into the momentum
Its just a little lump
But you feel it
In the creases and the shadows
With a rattling deep emotion
The cool, cool river
Sweeps the wild, white ocean

Yes boss. the government handshake
Yes boss. the crusher of language
Yes boss. mr. stillwater,
The face at the edge of the banquet
The cool, the cool river
The cool, the cool river

I believe in the future
I may live in my car
My radio tuned to
The voice of a star
Song dogs barking at the break of dawn
Lightning pushes the edge of a thunderstorm
And these old hopes and fears
Still at my side

Anger and no one can heal it
Slides through the metal detector
Lives like a mole in a motel
A slide in a slide projector
The cool, cool river
Sweeps the wild, white ocean
The rage of love turns inward
To prayers of devotion
And these prayers are
The constant road across the wilderness
These prayers are
These prayers are the memory of god
The memory of god

And I believe in the future
We shall suffer no more
Maybe not in my lifetime
But in yours I feel sure
Song dogs barking at the break of dawn
Lightning pushes the edges of a thunderstorm
And these streets
Quiet as a sleeping army
Send their battered dreams to heaven, to heaven
For the mothers restless son
Who is a witness to, who is a warrior
Who denies his urge to break and run

Who says: hard times?
Im used to them
The speeding planet burns
Im used to that
My lifes so common it disappears
And sometimes even music
Cannot substitute for tears

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted April 19, 2008 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Your IP address is logged anytime you use the Internet, so whether you use forum boards, or email or search, or watch youtube it doesn't matter whether you post pictures or your name or address or whatnot, it's already known because the telephone companies have all that information already.

Good to know! Thanks!


((Paul Simon -- yay!))

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Unmoved
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posted April 20, 2008 02:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Your IP address is logged anytime you use the Internet, so whether you use forum boards, or email or search, or watch youtube it doesn't matter whether you post pictures or your name or address or whatnot, it's already known because the telephone companies have all that information already.

True dat!

The only harm I see from a big brother type agency is on someone who is on a different agenda than theirs; where the person is being discouraged to speak by being intimidated, as the above article says.

They know who we are already. Even a mickey mouse hacker knows who you are. Take the IP address, take a GPS system like google earth, and a person with the right equipment can even check your house out from their bedroom, halfway across the world.

A photo and basic info is only useful to little stalkers who are still under the rule of the law. Those above the law, if they want to know who you are... will know who you are by a click of a button.

Being watched by the FBI should be least of your worries unless you're about to assassinate the president.

Note: just by typing the words "assassinate the president" in this sequence has them checking out this website and my IP address as we speak.

If you want to be afraid, be afraid of your equals, your next door neighbor child-offender, sexual predator, and local rapist. These are the people you can fight. With Big brother - Resistance is Futile.

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praecipua
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posted April 20, 2008 06:25 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Unmoved:

With Big brother - Resistance is Futile.


i agree that resistance is futile but

it's necessary - even though seemingly impossible.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted April 20, 2008 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
With Big brother - Resistance is Futile.


Hmm... sounds like Big Brother is already speaking thru you.

Pity. We could use someone like you to help foster hope, not hopelessness.

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ListensToTrees
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posted April 20, 2008 11:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Zanya, are you ok?

I sent someone an email asking about you. Please feel free to email me me if you want.

emailyme@hotmail.com

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The truth
is a brilliant, many-sided diamond.
The great life fills this gem and colors from every side.
Mystics, messengers, and sages and teachers of all ages, races and beliefs have spoken of a different face of this common Eternal Truth.

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Unmoved
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posted April 21, 2008 12:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
praecipua - you're right. 100%

HSC - thanks for reprimanding me. That was a defeatist attitude. I won't do it again. Sincerely.

But ,as far as pics and general info in the web... resistance is futile if you are operating within the system. If you want to stay out of the radar of Big brother, you'd have to be out of the system and live in the fringes of society. You might as well surrender if you're going to fight the enemy on their home turf. So I just thought it's a bit idealistic and dangerous to think that you can be safe from Big Brother in his own system. That's all.

This means, no credit facilities for you, no way to trace your social security number to you, therefore no transacting within the system in any way. This means to be safe, to have your privacy, you have to exist out of the system, but close enough to it to not cause attention, hence "on the fringes of society". And it means... no logging into LL or any computer unless it's a public domain with no surveillance of any sort.

I don't know of many people who are strong enough to be ghosts, but it's not unheard of. It's possible.

But if you think you're keeping big brother out of your business but you have filled out any form using your real name (in the last 10 years), or a name that can triangulate your position to a city radius... you might as well post the pic. They know who you are. The reason you feel safe is because you're not a threat.

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maklhouf
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posted April 23, 2008 09:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've always agreed with Zanya's sentiments here, but I can't beleive what I'm hearing from Unmoved: leave the big bully and pick on the litle guy?

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The stone which the builders rejected, The same was made the head of the corner;
Matthew 21:42

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praecipua
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posted April 23, 2008 10:42 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well i understand that she believes the same as you and me but was realistic regarding the effects of our possible resistance to big brother.

it's actually good to express this feeling of doubt, so we can all agree and remember in our minds that we shouldn't doubt about the fact that resistance is necessary.

regarding the "little", she's saying that we need to resist to them. nothing wrong here.

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maklhouf
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posted April 25, 2008 07:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is something wrong, because BB uses our natural fear of rapists etc. to further control us by using our suspicions to divide and rule us. If they know so much, how come there is so much crime? If they don't stop it how can we?

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The stone which the builders rejected, The same was made the head of the corner;
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Unmoved
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posted April 25, 2008 08:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what little guy?

Honestly, I think our dear BB creates the crime to keep us fearful, so it's easier to control and manipulate us. If there was no crime, we would be more empowered, less dependent on the government to fix things, and more independent...etc. etc. Without crime, and disease, and sickness and all things awful, there are no taxes, there is no need to be ruled, and there is no way to freak us out into submission.

Weirdly, most diseases are from BB's messed up food, messed up water, florescent lights and basically occupational diseases caused by the system itself.

Poverty causes crime indirectly, (in some cases they say) so... what causes poverty? The lack of power, the lack of resources. Resources for what? Resources to stay fed and stay healthy. Why aren't we healthy, because BB's feeding us.

It's a vicious cycle. Okay, I ranted.

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