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AcousticGod
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posted June 12, 2008 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mullen Urges Pakistan to Act on Al-Qaeda
Terrorists Targeting U.S. Must Be Denied Sanctuary, Joint Chiefs Chairman Says

By Ann Scott Tyson and Robin Wright
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, June 11, 2008; A08

The top U.S. military officer warned yesterday that al-Qaeda leaders operating in Pakistan's tribal areas are planning new terrorist attacks against the United States, making it imperative that Pakistan's new government take action to eliminate their sanctuary there.

Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the al-Qaeda threat from Pakistan represents a "huge challenge" for the United States, but said Pakistan has been lacking in its execution of a strategy to eradicate the safe havens for terrorists and insurgents in the lawless region known as the Federally Administered Tribal Areas.

Mullen called on Pakistani authorities to enforce any deals they strike with tribal leaders in the FATA and to require not only the expulsion of al-Qaeda but also a halt to the flow of insurgents across the border into Afghanistan. However, Mullen predicted slow progress, citing Pakistan's complex tribal allegiances and sensitivities over sovereignty that have limited U.S. military involvement in the region. "We're just not going to solve it overnight," said Mullen at a gathering of defense reporters. "It's going to take longer than most people realize."

Islamabad's newly appointed ambassador to Washington, Husain Haqqani, said yesterday that U.S. leaders have told his government that if the United States suffers an attack that is traced back to Pakistan, Washington will have to take steps to retaliate. "Those [statements] have been made," Haqqani told editors and reporters at The Washington Post yesterday. "We want to make sure that it doesn't come to that."

Haqqani reiterated that in targeting extremists, "Pakistani preference remains to not have outside forces' action on the Pakistan side of the border."

Despite overtures by a provincial leader and the Pakistani military to extremists like Baitullah Mehsud, talks have so far not produced any agreements, Haqqani said. "There will be no agreement similar to agreements of the past," he said, referring to earlier deals that either were not honored or fell apart.

Haqqani listed new conditions his government will impose in any deal with insurgent groups. Fighters will now have to pledge not to launch attacks in either Pakistan or Afghanistan. All foreign fighters in the tribal areas must be expelled. And extremists must promise not to give safe haven to any group targeting any of Pakistan's allies, including the United States. "That's something that American intelligence is very interested in," Haqqani said. "No safe haven or safe passage for any group that wants to plan attacks against any friend of Pakistan."

Fighters will also have to promise to decommission large weapons and account for smaller arms, the envoy said.

Haqqani predicted that key players in the tribal areas will eventually comply with the government's demands. "There will be people other than those who belong to hard-core groups that would be willing to agree to these conditions, and those are the reconcilable people that we would like on board," he said. "There are people from the tribal areas, from the Mehsud tribe for example, that would be willing to subscribe to these conditions in return for the benefits."

In a bid to improve coordination on counterterrorism, Islamabad is pressing the Bush administration to improve intelligence sharing, which is still severely limited seven years after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks transformed Pakistan into the most important U.S. relationship on counterterrorism. The administration has been reluctant to provide either electronic intercept equipment or raw intelligence about extremists, for fear that terrorists would be tipped off by sympathizers of al-Qaeda and the Taliban in the Pakistani military or intelligence services.

"We intend to overcome any misgivings that have undermined intelligence sharing in the past," Haqqani said.

On Afghanistan, Mullen said he is working to fill a shortage of military trainers for local security forces, stating that his top priority is to muster an additional brigade of U.S. troops to carry out that mission. "I am pressing the system very hard to see if we can generate any additional trainers," he said.

He said he has no plans to relieve the 2,200 U.S. Marines deployed to southern Afghanistan after they depart with other Marine units in the fall. But he said the planned deployment of several hundred French troops to eastern Afghanistan this summer will free up a U.S. battalion that could then be moved south.

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AcousticGod
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posted June 13, 2008 03:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nothing to say about the terrorists-in-Pakistan threat, huh Jwhop? Nothing to say about the threats our government have already put out there? Nothing to say about the fact that our government has had a tough time trusting Pakistan as evidenced by it's withholding intelligence for fear that Pakistanis might tip off Al Qaeda?

Are you p!ssed at our government for being so horrible to our ally?

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jwhop
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posted June 13, 2008 06:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not at all.

In fact, I think O'Bomber is a loudmouthed nutcase for shooting off his mouth when campaigning for office saying he would bomb Pakistan...oh, and talk to enemies screeching Death to America.

In this case, the warning was given that 'IF Pakistan is used as a staging area to launch an attack on the United States...then Pakistan would be attacked'. Makes sense to me since that's what we also did with Afghanistan.

On the other hand, this Admiral should be canned...today...for talking about this with the press and if I were President, I'd have his resignation on my desk by 5pm or I would fire him in a most public way.

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venusdeindia
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posted June 14, 2008 10:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
been sayin it all along..
they screwed u in the 70's...and stabbed u behind.. will do so again..
and i will be here to remind....

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posted June 14, 2008 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On the other hand, the government of Pakistan has been enormously helpful. Many of the top leaders of al-Qaeda and the Taliban were captured by Pakistini troops and turned over to the United States.

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posted June 26, 2008 08:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'll join venus too ! just too ....
though i know it wont be any help to JWHOP .

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posted June 26, 2008 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I know Pakistan is your enemy..both of you. But, let me repeat that the Pakistani government has been extremely helpful to the US in the fight against Islamic extremists.

I do wonder how either of you would stand up to extremists attempting to assassinate you on at least 3 different occasions in the last 6 years...as they have Musharraf?

Care to comment on that?

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posted June 27, 2008 02:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I do wonder how either of you would stand up to extremists attempting to assassinate you on at least 3 different occasions in the last 6 years...as they have Musharraf?


now that i know u are an elder { i was earlier under the impression u were an irascible young redneck }...and i say that in all respect mind you..i m going to being milder than i would have been if it had been anyone else...
if u HAD read my posts in that O-bomber thread of yours u wouldnt have made that comment...

i m repeating what i have said before.

i have survived 3 terrorist attacks.

1 } 1993 , mumbai, bomb blast in our block. blew off every window and mirror in our home. if i , my mom and brother hadnt been in the kitchen we would have been dartboard for the shards of glass that flew across our home.

2} 2000, bomb blast at a national monument, i had taken my cousins for sightseeing...at Gateway of India, the blast left 25 dead and a hundred injured .i and my cousins were sheltered by a passing vehicle.

3}2006 , 6 bomb blasts in 6 different shuttles-intercity trains .i survived by a miracle..failed to board the train becoz my cell was ringing and i took the call.the bobm exploded a minute later, the train haing barely left the station.i helped carry some bloody survivors to the hospital.
number of deceased close to a 1000.

so there u go...i think you would agree i have done MORE than stand up... fact is i on tghe streets back living my life the very next day...as countless other mumbai citizens.
unlike in NY where the emotional and psychological impact was felt for months...

i wonder how someone as intelligent as you cant see why Musharraf got his ass kicked in the very first election since he hijacked Pakistan. thanks to him the pakistani people hate the Army AND America who they think sponsored his Militant Dictatorship.
AND they are more aware than you are of course ,of Mush and the extremists being Bedmates ,thank you.

like its just not possible to be a part of a FAKE attempt on ur life with ur secret allies

and your extermist - fighting warrior Mush is being considered for Deportation ...on public demand by the newly elected Democracy...

Can YOU explain THAT ?


also PS :

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Well, I know Pakistan is your enemy..both of you.

i never pretend to read ur mind..can u return the favor.???

fact check...
Indians dont hate pakistanis

pakistanis dont hate Indians

indians ARE sick and angry at having a 9/11 pulled on us every few months....YOU identify with that....and i am not reading ur mind...only ur old Iraq threads to know this.
fact is we share the same race, culture,languages etc with Pakistan...we were ONE country at inception you know.

and the Pakistanis have never claimed to hate us...only our govt...for taking over and enslving the people of Kashmir...as their Mullah extremists yell like Pastor Wright at every prayer meeting..

though all this is changing and the pakistanis are seeing the truth...thats why the extermist political parties and Armyman Mush got their ***** kicked in the democratic elections

god bless them

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jwhop
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posted June 27, 2008 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have not missed any opportunity to rip Pakistan here VDI...and now, you profess your love of Pakistan? Wonderful, marvelous.

You may have been involved in terrorist bombing incidents but you weren't a specific target of the attacks.

On the other hand these extremists are gunning for Musharraf specifically and after 3 attempts or more to assassinate him, he surely knows it.

Let me repeat. The government of Pakistan..including Musharraf have been extremely helpful to the US. As for Musharraf's governing style, his personal philosophy or whether he's universally loved by Pakistanis or not..those are things I haven't spoken to and they're really none of my business.

As for you taking it easy on me VDI; there's no need for that. If you tried to follow me around on any given day, your tongue would be dragging the ground by 11am and by 2pm you'd be totally out of gas or in a coma.

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AcousticGod
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posted June 27, 2008 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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venusdeindia
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posted June 28, 2008 04:44 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You have not missed any opportunity to rip Pakistan here VDI...

so u accept ???

covert terrorists = pakistan. ????

cheeers for getting that right
and thanx for adamently seeing everything ass backwards

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Let me repeat. The government of Pakistan..including Musharraf have been extremely helpful to the US. As for Musharraf's governing style, his personal philosophy or whether he's universally loved by Pakistanis or not..those are things I haven't spoken to and they're really none of my business.

on the other hand ur love for the Iraqis was strong enough to defend them getting bombed to their deaths --- to free them from a dictator called Saddam


dont we love Hypocrisy...
Mush is ok becoz he pretends to help you while simulatneously having more terrorist and extremist schools in Pakistan than since its inception...someone's been drinkin again ...


stupid saddam..all he had to do was pretend ...to help...he would still be ruling Iraq.

youre not old enough to die before the extremist moles in Mush's sleeves are exposed...so i will have my laugh

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posted June 28, 2008 05:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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As for you taking it easy on me VDI; there's no need for that.

well i dont know about you american conservatives but us indian ones....we go mush with the elders of the clan

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jwhop
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posted June 29, 2008 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
VDI, we both know that every effort was made and still is being made to avoid Iraqi civilian casualties.

So, what's with the nonsense statement that we bombed Iraqis to their deaths. If anything at all, it's al-Qaeda and the various militas who have bombed Iraqi civilians deliberately...and you damned well know it.

All Saddam had to do was live up to the cease fire agreement he signed. That's all, nothing more.

If Musharraf has moles up his sleeve, they will be revealed in time...like everything else which is hidden...for a time.

BTW, don't you know it's Musharraf who was and still is attempting to resolve the issue of Kashmir with India? He was and remains the driving force behind the negotiations. I think you don't want fruitful negotiations but rather capitulation on the part of Pakistan.

Now VDI, don't go all mushy on me. I'm young at heart..younger than you perhaps.

Fairy tales can come true,
it can happen to you
If you're young at heart

For its hard, you will find,
to be narrow of mind
If you're young at heart

You can go to extremes with impossible schemes
You can laugh when your dreams fall apart at the seams
And life gets more exciting with each passing day
And love is either in your heart or on its way

Dont you know that its worth every treasure on earth
To be young at heart
For as rich as you are its much better by far
To be young at heart

And if you should survive to 105
Look at all you'll derive out of being alive
Then here is the best part
You have a head start
If you are among the very young at heart

Words to live by VDI

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