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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted August 28, 2008 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Truth (As Only A Grasshopper Can Tell It!)


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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted August 28, 2008 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


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posted August 28, 2008 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

This guy's big on Ron Paul, jwhop.


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posted August 28, 2008 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Like any great artist, Dees has created a world apart, complete with psychotic politicians, sheeple, chemtrails, MSG-boasting foodstuffs, and ritalin-addicted third-graders.
The most amazing thing about it is that Dees' world is just about as close to the world we live in as any artistic vision can get. I think he's fantastic.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEgtvUywgYw

http://www.rense.com/1.mpicons/dees1.htm

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posted August 29, 2008 12:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Notice that "We the People" stuff in the first picture?

Ants. Lots and lots of ants.

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posted August 29, 2008 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DominaOriens     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow, he does awesome stuff! Thanks for sharing that

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posted August 29, 2008 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

TINK, Ants are great!
I'd be homeless without them.
And they'd be clueless without me.


DominaOriens, You're Welcome!

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posted August 29, 2008 10:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't explain myself properly. The men who wrote the Declaration and Constitution were clueless Ants. I'm sure Mr Dees is very grateful for the gifts their dedication, discipline and hard work provided.

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posted August 29, 2008 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ants are great!
I'd be homeless without them.
And they'd be clueless without me

deciphered : Luciferic Grasshopper Syndrome

AKA: LGS

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

- George Eliot

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posted August 29, 2008 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've written my own declarations, TINK,
as replete with sense and delicacy as the one you so admire.

Now where is the army of ants to wage war for my ideas?

LOL

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posted August 29, 2008 05:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Myrmidons are no more, HSC. We all must write and defend our own.

Enemies both foreign and domestic

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posted August 29, 2008 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting choice, TINK.

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The Myrmidons (or Myrmidones; Greek: Ìõñìéäüíåò) were an ancient nation of Greek mythology. They were very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles.[1] Their eponymous ancestor was Myrmidon, a king of Phthiotis who was a son of Zeus, and "wide-ruling" Eurymedousa, a princess of Phthiotis. She was seduced by him in the form of an ant. An etiological myth of their origins, simply expanding upon their supposed etymology— the name in Classical Greek was interpreted as "ant-people", from murmekes, "ants"— was first mentioned by Ovid, in Metamorphoses: in Ovid's telling, the Myrmidons were simple worker ants on the island of Aegina.

The Myrmidons of Greek myth were known for their loyalty to their leaders, so that in pre-industrial Europe the word "myrmidon" carried many of the same connotations that "robot" does today. "Myrmidon" later came to mean "hired ruffian" (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) or "a loyal follower, especially one who executes orders without question, protest, or pity, unquestioning followers." (dictionary.com)

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I'd say they are alive and well and living in America, lol. (Okay, maybe not "well".)

Their undiscriminating loyalty to their leaders is what makes a revolution so rare and difficult.

And the more progressive your declaration, the more resistant are the masses to take heed.

Maybe if I allowed for slavery and a few other picadillos, they'd be more sympathetic to my proposal?


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We all must write and defend our own.

Tell that to Vincent and Theo.

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posted August 29, 2008 06:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know who the Myrmidons were, HSC.

And "undiscriminating"? I would have followed Achilles. You?

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And the more progressive your declaration, the more resistant are the masses to take heed.

I don't need the slobbering admiration of the masses.

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Tell that to Vincent and Theo.

Whatever for?


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posted August 29, 2008 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Achilles? In a war waged over a beautiful woman?
No. I would sooner have followed Jesus Christ.

"The slobbering admiration of the masses"? Are we back to this?
The point I was making is that you do indeed need the approval,
if not the "slobbering admiration", of the masses, to start a revolution.
But when you cannot respond to the true substance of the debate,
you always retreat into these accusations of me needing admiration.
Don't you realize how transparent your envy is?
You see these people gushing over my creative works,
and you see me confidently affirming my own worth,
and you just have to pass judgment on me. Its sad.
Clearly, I am dependent on that approval, lol;
though I have lived my life in such a way as to invite disapproval.
Well, disapproval by the likes of you and your conservative cohorts.


"Whatever for?"

Vincent and Theo personified that partnership,
which you, by turns, characterize as codependency, or a great love story.
Neither man's name would be remembered if he'd not been allied to the other.

Are you just going to avoid these points I've made,
or do you have any actual responses to make yourself?


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posted August 29, 2008 07:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well you've got the opportunity to follow him now. Go for it.

I think we're discussing two different things here. You mentioned writing your own Declaration. That's admirable. I think everyone should. I wasn't discussing another American revolution. My mind was on a more personal war.

My refernce to "slobbering masses" was a continuation of your view of the myrmidons. (although it's not my view. I have a more classical opinion of them) Given your oft stated dislike of "sheeple", I would have thought you'd enjoy it.

"Gushing"? You've been complimented and criticised here like everyone else. I've complimented your poetry several times myself. I think some of it is quite good. I'm not envious of your poetical skills because, although I enjoy reading poetry tremendously, I don't write it. I have other outlets for my creativity.

If I were to call Vincent and Theo's relationship "co-dependent" - and I never have - it would not be with the negative slant so common to the word today.

I don't avoid things, HSC. Sometimes I wish I could. I guess it's that damn Mars and Uranus in my first house.

Why are so angry, HSC? I'm not attacking you.

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posted August 30, 2008 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Well you've got the opportunity to follow him now. Go for it."

Alas, I'm not a follower.
But, if I were, I'd follow Christ, not Achilles.
Pretty sure that was my point.
Did you miss it?


"I think we're discussing two different things here.
You mentioned writing your own Declaration. That's admirable. I think everyone should.
I wasn't discussing another American revolution.
My mind was on a more personal war."

Then you did misunderstand me.
My concern is with something larger than myself.


"My reference to "slobbering masses" was a continuation of your view of the myrmidons.
(although it's not my view. I have a more classical opinion of them)"

Yeah, and you have yet do defend it.
So, you'd go to war over some guy's hard-on for Helen of Troy?


"Given your oft stated dislike of "sheeple", I would have thought you'd enjoy it."

Oft? As in, two or three times (in the course of how many years here)?


"Gushing"? You've been complimented and criticised here like everyone else."

I believe gushing is a word you used once, to describe their reactions.
And I clearly was not talking about the criticism, or are you envious of that, as well?
But, come to think of it, has my work ever received criticism here?
And, for that matter, has anyone here received such glowing compliments?
I'd hate to have to be the one to point that out, but, come on!


"I've complimented your poetry several times myself. I think some of it is quite good."

You're not all bad, TINK.


"I'm not envious of your poetical skills because,
although I enjoy reading poetry tremendously, I don't write it.
I have other outlets for my creativity."

I did not say you were envious of the poems, but of the praise. Try to keep up, dear.


"If I were to call Vincent and Theo's relationship "co-dependent" - and I never have -
it would not be with the negative slant so common to the word today."

You have said as much, and in so many words.
The kind of co-operation between Theo and Vincent
is the kind of co-operation I'd like to see between Ants and Grasshoppers.
But, according to you, everyone is on their own, and thats the way it should be.


"I don't avoid things, HSC. Sometimes I wish I could.
I guess it's that damn Mars and Uranus in my first house."

The Libra one? lol


"Why are so angry, HSC? I'm not attacking you."

You certainly are attacking me, my character, my values, my lifestyle.
And, what is more, you are taking immense pleasure in doing so.

If you are unconscious of your own aggression, you're even more screwed up than I am.

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posted August 30, 2008 11:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And a lovely morning to you too, HSC

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Alas, I'm not a follower.
But, if I were, I'd follow Christ, not Achilles.
Pretty sure that was my point.
Did you miss it?

Apparently I did. Here was my point - if I were a soldier, Achilles would be a fine man to follow into war. The Myrmidons were loyal to Achilles for good reason.

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Yeah, and you have yet do defend it.
So, you'd go to war over some guy's hard-on for Helen of Troy?

Oh no. Are you in the courtroom again?Defend what exactly? My view of the Myrmidons? This interests you? And I don't think the Greeks went to war over that.

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Oft? As in, two or three times (in the course of how many years here)?

Oh I think we could find more than 2 or 3 examples


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But, come to think of it, has my work ever received criticism here?

HSC, that is such a perfect example of your charming megalomania, I'm not going to touch it. I'm just going to leave it there for posterity.

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And, for that matter, has anyone here received such glowing compliments? I'd hate to have to be the one to point that out, but, come on!


Yes, others have recieved "such glowing compliments".

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I did not say you were envious of the poems, but of the praise.

I assumed the praise over your poetry, because you said "gushing over my creative works".

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Try to keep up, dear.

I'll try, sweetie.

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You have said as much, and in so many words.
The kind of co-operation between Theo and Vincent
is the kind of co-operation I'd like to see between Ants and Grasshoppers.
But, according to you, everyone is on their own, and thats the way it should be.

I have not said as much. You might have infered this, but I did not say it.

I think co-operation is necesary to our survival, and to some degree our happines, but at the end of the day, yes, I believe we stand alone.

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You certainly are attacking me, my character, my values, my lifestyle.
And, what is more, you are taking immense pleasure in doing so.

If someone is self-indulgently living off the kindness and generosity of others, and then insults them for the grave sin of having a job, then I absolutly would think that was wrong, but I think "attack" would be to strong a word.

I'm not a conservative. I wonder, why do you always insist on that?

Yes, I have Libra rising. How sweet of you to remember.


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posted August 31, 2008 02:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"And a lovely morning to you too, HSC "

The sin we commit in shadows is answered in the light of day.


"Achilles would be a fine man to follow into war. The Myrmidons were loyal to Achilles for good reason."


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...the greatest warrior of Homer's Iliad, which takes for its theme the Wrath of Achilles... Achilles is the only mortal to experience consuming rage (menis). His anger is at some times wavering, at other times absolute. The humanization of Achilles by the events of the war is an important theme of the narrative... Zeus himself took note of Achilles' rage and sent the gods to restrain him so that he would not go on to sack Troy itself, seeming to show that the unhindered rage of Achilles could defy fate itself as Troy was not meant to be destroyed yet... Achilles was thereafter killed by Paris... In some versions, the god Apollo guided Paris' arrow.

Achilles wikipedia.com



"Consuming rage" Is this the "good reason" you are refering to?


"Oh no. Are you in the courtroom again?"


Its not a courtroom, TINK. But its not a game, either.


"Defend what exactly? My view of the Myrmidons? This interests you? And I don't think the Greeks went to war over that."

Again, try to keep up.

Your analogy backfired;
intended to justify your beloved ants,
it has strengthened my own case instead.
Either you are ignorant of this,
in denial of this, or trying to bullsh-t me.


"Oh I think we could find more than 2 or 3 examples "

Are you sure? Because I dont think so. But you are welcome to try.


"HSC, that is such a perfect example of your charming megalomania, I'm not going to touch it. I'm just going to leave it there for posterity."

You are just avoiding the question. If I am so wrong, tell me I'm wrong.


"Yes, others have recieved "such glowing compliments"."

Really?
That I have to publish it for god's sake?
That it is the best thing they have ever read?
That is as good as anything in the Bible?


"I have not said as much. You might have infered this, but I did not say it."

Yes, I infered it.
You didnt have to say it,
you merely had to contradict yourself.


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I think co-operation is necesary to our survival, and to some degree our happines, but at the end of the day, yes, I believe we stand alone.

Speaking of "contradictions",
I rest my case.


"someone is self-indulgently living off the kindness and generosity of others,
and then insults them for the grave sin of having a job,
then I absolutly would think that was wrong,
but I think "attack" would be to strong a word."

Look, there are things that are true,
whether or not someone has done you a kindness.
Just because a few ants have the heart and vision to care for me,
doesnt mean that they do not often resemble my caricature of them.
We are multi-dimensional beings, you know.


"I'm not a conservative. I wonder, why do you always insist on that?"

It's all relative, TINK. From my point of view, you are very conservative.


"Yes, I have Libra rising. How sweet of you to remember."

Don't mention it. That's what I'm here for.


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Whatever the poets pretend, it is plain they give immortality to none but themselves;
it is Homer and Virgil we reverence and admire, not Achilles or AEneas.
With historians it is quite the contrary; our thoughts are taken up with the actions,
persons, and events we read, and we little regard the authors.

~ Swift

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