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BlueRoamer
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posted September 02, 2008 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First she can't control her daughter, then she's involved in a power abuse scandal, and now we find out she was a secessionist?? A SECESSIONIST? You can't get ANYMORE UN-AMERICAN than that!!!

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ST. PAUL — A series of disclosures about Gov. Sarah Palin, Senator John McCain’s choice as running mate, called into question on Monday how thoroughly Mr. McCain had examined her background before putting her on the Republican presidential ticket.


n Monday morning, Ms. Palin and her husband, Todd, issued a statement saying that their 17-year-old unmarried daughter, Bristol, was five months pregnant and that she intended to marry the father.

Among other less attention-grabbing news of the day: it was learned that Ms. Palin now has a private lawyer in a legislative ethics investigation in Alaska into whether she abused her power in dismissing the state’s public safety commissioner; that she was a member for two years in the 1990s of the Alaska Independence Party, which has at times sought a vote on whether the state should secede; and that Mr. Palin was arrested 22 years ago on a drunken-driving charge.

Aides to Mr. McCain said they had a team on the ground in Alaska now to look more thoroughly into Ms. Palin’s background. A Republican with ties to the campaign said the team assigned to vet Ms. Palin in Alaska had not arrived there until Thursday, a day before Mr. McCain stunned the political world with his vice-presidential choice. The campaign was still calling Republican operatives as late as Sunday night asking them to go to Alaska to deal with the unexpected candidacy of Ms. Palin.

Although the McCain campaign said that Mr. McCain had known about Bristol Palin’s pregnancy before he asked her mother to join him on the ticket and that he did not consider it disqualifying, top aides were vague on Monday about how and when he had learned of the pregnancy, and from whom.

While there was no sign that her formal nomination this week was in jeopardy, the questions swirling around Ms. Palin on the first day of the Republican National Convention, already disrupted by Hurricane Gustav, brought anxiety to Republicans who worried that Democrats would use the selection of Ms. Palin to question Mr. McCain’s judgment and his ability to make crucial decisions.

At the least, Republicans close to the campaign said it was increasingly apparent that Ms. Palin had been selected as Mr. McCain’s running mate with more haste than McCain advisers initially described.

Up until midweek last week, some 48 to 72 hours before Mr. McCain introduced Ms. Palin at a Friday rally in Dayton, Ohio, Mr. McCain was still holding out the hope that he could choose a good friend, Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, independent of Connecticut, a Republican close to the campaign said. Mr. McCain had also been interested in another favorite, former Gov. Tom Ridge of Pennsylvania.

But both men favor abortion rights, anathema to the Christian conservatives who make up a crucial base of the Republican Party. As word leaked out that Mr. McCain was seriously considering the men, the campaign was bombarded by outrage from influential conservatives who predicted an explosive floor fight at the convention and vowed rejection of Mr. Ridge or Mr. Lieberman by the delegates.

Perhaps more important, several Republicans said, Mr. McCain was getting advice that if he did not do something to shake up the race, his campaign would be stuck on a potentially losing trajectory.

With time running out — and as Mr. McCain discarded two safer choices, Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota and former Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, as too predictable — he turned to Ms. Palin. He had his first face-to-face interview with her on Thursday and offered her the job moments later. Advisers to Mr. Pawlenty and another of the finalists on Mr. McCain’s list described an intensive vetting process for those candidates that lasted one to two months.

“They didn’t seriously consider her until four or five days from the time she was picked, before she was asked, maybe the Thursday or Friday before,” said a Republican close to the campaign. “This was really kind of rushed at the end, because John didn’t get what he wanted. He wanted to do Joe or Ridge.”

In the final stages, two Republicans familiar with the process said, Mr. McCain’s campaign manager, Rick Davis, emerged as a key advocate for Ms. Palin.

Mr. McCain’s advisers said repeatedly on Monday that Ms. Palin was “thoroughly vetted,” a process that would have included a review of all financial and legal records as well as a criminal background check. A McCain aide said the campaign was well aware of the ethics investigation and had looked into it.

“It was obviously something that anybody Googling Sarah Palin knew was in the news and there was a very thorough vetting done on that and also on the daughter,” the aide said.

People familiar with the process said Ms. Palin had responded to a standard form with more than 70 questions. Although The Washington Post quoted advisers to Mr. McCain on Sunday as saying Ms. Palin had been subjected to an F.B.I. background check, an F.B.I. official said Monday the bureau did not vet potential candidates and had not known of her selection until it was made public.

Mark Salter, Mr. McCain’s closest adviser, said in an e-mail message that Ms. Palin had been interviewed by Arthur B. Culvahouse Jr., a veteran Washington lawyer in charge of the vice-presidential vetting process for Mr. McCain, as well as by other lawyers who worked for Mr. Culvahouse. Mr. Salter did not respond to an e-mail message asking if Ms. Palin had told Mr. Culvahouse and his lawyers that her daughter was pregnant.


In Alaska, several state leaders and local officials said they knew of no efforts by the McCain campaign to find out more information about Ms. Palin before the announcement of her selection, Although campaigns are typically discreet when they make inquiries into potential running mates, officials in Alaska said Monday they thought it was peculiar that no one in the state had the slightest hint that Ms. Palin might be under consideration.


They didn’t speak to anyone in the Legislature, they didn’t speak to anyone in the business community,” said Lyda Green, the State Senate president, who lives in Wasilla, where Ms. Palin served as mayor.

Representative Gail Phillips, a Republican and former speaker of the State House, said the widespread surprise in Alaska when Ms. Palin was named to the ticket made her wonder how intensively the McCain campaign had vetted her.

“I started calling around and asking, and I have not been able to find one person that was called,” Ms. Phillips said. “I called 30 to 40 people, political leaders, business leaders, community leaders. Not one of them had heard. Alaska is a very small community, we know people all over, but I haven’t found anybody who was asked anything.”

The current mayor of Wasilla, Dianne M. Keller, said she had not heard of any efforts to look into Ms. Palin’s background. And Randy Ruedrich, the state Republican Party chairman, said he knew nothing of any vetting that had been conducted.

State Senator Hollis French, a Democrat who is directing the ethics investigation, said that no one asked him about the allegations. “I heard not a word, not a single contact,” he said.

A number of Republicans said the McCain campaign had to some degree tied its hands in its effort to keep the selection process so secret.

“If you really want it to be a surprise, the circle of people that you’re going to allow to know about it is going to be small, and that’s just the nature of it,” said Dan Bartlett, a former counselor to President Bush.

Former McCain strategists disagreed on whether it would have been useful for Ms. Palin’s name to have been more publicly floated before her selection so that issues like the trooper investigation and her daughter’s pregnancy might have already been aired and not seemed so new at the time of her announcement.

“It’s a risk,” said Dan Schnur, a former McCain aide who now directs the Jesse M. Unruh Institute of Politics at the University of Southern California. “No matter how great the candidate, it’s a significant risk to put someone on the ticket” who hasn’t been publicly scrutinized.

“They obviously felt it was worth the risk to rev up the base and potentially reach out to Clinton supporters,” Mr. Schnur said.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us/politics/02vetting.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp

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posted September 02, 2008 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It seems that either

A)This candidate was not thoroughly vetted before selection, in which case someone is really not paying attention in the McBush quarters.

or

B) This candidate was selected on purpose to stir up controversy and drama, to draw attention to the McCain campaign, which up till now has been more than a snore fest compared to Obama's histrionics.

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posted September 02, 2008 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Blue Rumor LOL
Palin did inform Mc Cain of her baggages.

Why don't you get it that she practices what she preaches? She could have asked her daughter to abort the child. But she didn't.
Neither did she abort her own.

And I think all this is really helping Palin's case. Lets spread more such chaotic rumors on her. Get her national spotlight.

She is still fresh in the minds of people and might even pull a surprise victory for John McCain.

Her gun stance already gets her most of the 'blue collar' votes. And her pro-life gets her catholic and evangelical christians.

She is a great anti-thesis of Obama.

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posted September 02, 2008 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 02, 2008 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 02, 2008 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She could be President of the country of Alaska right now, and she'd be drilling the hell out of it...

But seriously, McCain stands by his assertion that she was vetted. What does his pick say about his judgment? I mean, she's been the VP pick for just 4 days now, and look what's happened. He should fire Schmidt.

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posted September 02, 2008 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Notice all the attention the press and the Messiah's Kool-Aid drinkers are paying to Palin.

They know "The One" is toast on November 4th.

So, let the leftist circus rave on. Attacking Palin is the single most damaging thing they can do to their own candidate, The One, who has no credentials whatsoever to be President.

Beyond the lack of executive credentials of The One to be President, there are a host of reasons he never should be. He's unfit, having linked himself to those attempting to overthrow the United States.

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posted September 02, 2008 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heh, you are helping your enemies by revealing them campaign secrets LOL

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posted September 02, 2008 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awww...that's the way to put on a brave face.

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posted September 02, 2008 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah just try to put a positive spin on this..if that makes you shake in your boots a little less...

I for one would never vote for a secessionist, I'm proud to be an American and I would never think about being anything else.

I guess you guys are just a little less patriotic than you think you are.

The Obama powerhouse is going to clean up the floor with this un-american floozy and her flip fopping running mate.

Maybe if John McBush loses this election he'll consider becoming a democrat again..wow what a traitor he is!

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posted September 02, 2008 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Earth to leftists.

All these attacks on...not the candidate for President but on the selection for VP reeks of desperation time.

It's my opinion that this is a losing tactic by THE ONE and his Kool-Aid drinking minions but do rave on. Lots of people read on these forums...members and non members alike who read but don't post. I'm happy to see the desperation of THE ONE'S Kool-Aid drinkers spread far and wide.

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posted September 02, 2008 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, it's important to note that all this questioning of Sarah Palin is absolutely essential...she must undergo the most intense scrutiny ....why?

Because John McCain if elected would be the oldest president ever elected, and has a history of health issues.

There is a probability we could end up with this secessionist as president, what would she do if she took the helm? Would she declare Alaska and independent state?

How does one go from wanting to be president of Alaska to the president of the US, this make absolutely no sense.

*edit* Jwhop see what I just posted....this attention is quite relevant.

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posted September 02, 2008 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Also, it's important to note that all this questioning of Sarah Palin is absolutely essential"

This isn't questioning. It's an inquisition and it's gutter politics at it's worst. How fitting it's coming from the trash filled gutters of the left.

So, when is the leftist press going to demand to see the latest Biden physical..and his doctors conclusions about his health?

The headline, from the Associated Press, May 4, 1988, read: "Biden Resting After Surgery For Second Brain Aneurysm." The story flashed the details around the world.

Biden is supposed to give "THE ONE" the backup for foreign policy experience. What happens if Biden has another Aneurysm episode.

Oh, silly me. I already know the answer. "THE ONE" has been racking up foreign policy expertise in his own right.

He's been flying over foreign countries and an aide has been adding check marks to those flyover nations with which "THE ONE" now has foreign policy experience. Call that "Flyover Foreign Policy Experience".

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posted September 02, 2008 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BR,

The constitution protects that.
The congress can impeach the president.


Whereever the seccessionist comment came from. But I do believe most Aquas I met do like to own their own property. Their ego is comparable to Leos and Scorpios in this matter hahaha...

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posted September 02, 2008 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It's an inquisition and it's gutter politics at it's worst.

Oh, I think Rove's politics are MUCH worse. His protege Schmidt, in the McCain campaign, has already gotten McCain to abandon his objections to Bush-like tactics in his advertising campaign. Can you imagine what Rove would do with a Palin candidate on the Democratic side? THAT would be gutter politics at it's worst.

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posted September 02, 2008 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's merely your supposition...since it's not happened and isn't going to happen.

At this moment in time, the leftist Kool-Aid drinkers are attempting to destroy Palin.

It's not going to work and in fact it's going to blow up in their leftist faces.

McCain warned Palin this was coming before she accepted the nomination. Palin's no Pansy. She took on Exxon Mobile, she took on the Governor of Alaska and the Republican party in Alaska, including a long serving Senator..Stevens and Palin kicked their as$es.

Don't think for a minute Palin is going to be intimidated by the Kool-Aid drinking minions of 'THE ONE'.


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posted September 02, 2008 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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That's merely your supposition

Based on everything we've ever seen from Republicans. When was the last time Republicans didn't run a smear campaign? What is your personal favorite thing to do in politics? Who has more nicknames for Democrats than you can shake a stick at? Don't you think you're a good representative of your party?

I can just see the Conservative blog headline: Derailin' Palin. Instead of the stuff you're being fed now to cover her, you'd instead be fed your line of offense. That's the way it works, isn't it?

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posted September 02, 2008 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You misunderstand acoustic. When I pick on demoscats and call them names, I'm not trying to tear them down. I'm only "attempting to make them better".

When I call them demoscats, it's an indication of what they're doing, same with surrendercrats. After all, they've been in lockstep with the terrorists for at least the last 4 years and trying to surrender. They even sing the terrorist anthem..."get out of Iraq", "we can't win in Iraq", "the war is lost in Iraq". Singing the terrorist anthem straight out of the ass of bin Laden. I'm just trying to "make demoscats better".

And when I call them dim-wits, it's only because they say they believe America's energy needs can be solved with a tire gauge and a spark plug or some other non starting drivel. Just "trying to make them better".

I keep hoping something I say will register and suddenly, their neurons will light up and fire all together for once. So far, that's proved to be an elusive goal.

They act like a herd more governed by herd instinct than by rational thought.

So, if you've thought I've been hard on demoscats, just remember, I'm only "trying to make them better".

Of course, I'm not looking for any thanks for "trying to make demoscats better". I consider it a public service that's been neglected far too long.

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posted September 02, 2008 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In other words: Yes, AG, that's exactly correct.

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