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NosiS
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posted September 02, 2008 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok. My apologies if this has already been mentioned before. This was published while I was in Scotland and I just found it recently.

I am surprised to hear these sentiments coming from a Hollywood actor, although I am not surprised about the reaction that the rest of Hollywood has had against this Op-ed.
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The Washington Times
Monday, July 28, 2008

VOIGHT: My concerns for America
Obama sowing socialist seeds in young people

OP-ED

We, as parents, are well aware of the importance of our teachers who teach and program our children. We also know how important it is for our children to play with good-thinking children growing up.

Sen. Barack Obama has grown up with the teaching of very angry, militant white and black people: the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, William Ayers and Rev. Michael Pfleger. We cannot say we are not affected by teachers who are militant and angry. We know too well that we become like them, and Mr. Obama will run this country in their mindset.

The Democratic Party, in its quest for power, has managed a propaganda campaign with subliminal messages, creating a God-like figure in a man who falls short in every way. It seems to me that if Mr. Obama wins the presidential election, then Messrs. Farrakhan, Wright, Ayers and Pfleger will gain power for their need to demoralize this country and help create a socialist America.

The Democrats have targeted young people, knowing how easy it is to bring forth whatever is needed to program their minds. I know this process well. I was caught up in the hysteria during the Vietnam era, which was brought about through Marxist propaganda underlying the so-called peace movement. The radicals of that era were successful in giving the communists power to bring forth the killing fields and slaughter 2.5 million people in Cambodia and South Vietnam. Did they stop the war, or did they bring the war to those innocent people? In the end, they turned their backs on all the horror and suffering they helped create and walked away.

Those same leaders who were in the streets in the '60s are very powerful today in their work to bring down the Iraq war and to attack our president, and they have found their way into our schools. William Ayers is a good example of that.

Thank God, today, we have a strong generation of young soldiers who know exactly who they are and what they must do to protect our freedom and our democracy. And we have the leadership of Gen. David Petraeus, who has brought hope and stability to Iraq and prevented the terrorists from establishing a base in that country. Our soldiers are lifting us to an example of patriotism at a time when we've almost forgotten who we are and what is at stake.

If Mr. Obama had his way, he would have pulled our troops from Iraq years ago and initiated an unprecedented bloodbath, turning over that country to the barbarianism of our enemies. With what he has openly stated about his plans for our military, and his lack of understanding about the true nature of our enemies, there's not a cell in my body that can accept the idea that Mr. Obama can keep us safe from the terrorists around the world, and from Iran, which is making great strides toward getting the atomic bomb. And while a misleading portrait of Mr. Obama is being perpetrated by a media controlled by the Democrats, the Obama camp has sent out people to attack the greatness of Sen. John McCain, whose suffering and courage in a Hanoi prison camp is an American legend.

Gen. Wesley Clark, who himself has shame upon him, having been relieved of his command, has done their bidding and become a lying fool in his need to demean a fellow soldier and a true hero.

This is a perilous time, and more than ever, the world needs a united and strong America. If, God forbid, we live to see Mr. Obama president, we will live through a socialist era that America has not seen before, and our country will be weakened in every way.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/28/voight/

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posted September 03, 2008 12:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
good one Nosis

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posted September 03, 2008 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Well, I'm a dyed-in-the-wool redneck conservative, but I also consider myself something of an intellectual (I hold a PhD from Princeton University). The intellectual in me is very disappointed in Voight's editorial, because he relies for the most part on guilt-by-association and flawed reasoning. I am no fan of Obama, but he has publicly disavowed the views of Pfleger et. al., just as John McCain has publicly disavowed his former attempts to block the MLK holiday. And Obama opposed the initial invasion of Iraq, which would have prevented the bloodbath that has taken place there as a result of the invasion and occupation. Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator, but far more Iraqis have died as a result of the invasion and occupation than would have otherwise. There are good reasons for not liking Obama, and I wish Voight had discussed these instead of going on a vague and inaccurate tirade."


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posted September 03, 2008 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for posting the article NosiS. I read it and also saw these 2 videos you might be interested in viewing on the subject of Voight's op-ed.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sY8c0HW-Sx4

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy0v7FYQ9G0&feature=related

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Voight's statements were hardly vague. They were direct and to the point. It's not news that O'Bomber is an out and out Socialist and it's not news that Hollywood morons are about as far left as it gets in America. Voight simply stated the truth...directly.

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posted September 16, 2008 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks again, jwhop.

The reason I found this so intriguing is because I get frustrated with the generalization that anyone voting for McCain is a redneck racist. I think it's kinda funny that Obama once claimed that McCain's campaigners "throw the rock and hide the hand". The Democrats are always complaining about how dirty the Right plays in politics while they maintain a blind eye to their own contemptible, paragonless thinking. Like most ppl, I think it would be great if we could all just sit down, drink some tea, and talk about the differences we have within our political ideologies. Unfortunately, in this modern world, people play dirty and they don't even realize it. It's simply a matter of their own dried-up thinking that they've accepted as fact. My friends were surprised to hear that I was voting for McCain. Lo and behold, they actually degraded my intelligence to a lower level when I made my assertion. Some things you don't need words for, you know what I mean? You can just see it in people's eyes.

Apparently, voting for McCain is a sign of stupidity or racism. And I don't just mean here in the States. Most of the world "seems" to agree. That's why I was surprised to hear about Voight's op-ed. He tore the seams of this general picture out there and he did it from a position that was unlikely to have those counter-sentiments: a Hollywood actor.

I've found that Shelby Steele has made some great stretches towards understanding and explaining some of the recent occurrences of this political year:
http://fora.tv/2008/01/18/Shelby_Steele_on_Why_Barack_Obama_Cannot_Win

The 50th minute or so is superb.

Anyway, i've just been ranting and getting things off my chest today.


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posted September 16, 2008 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW TINK,

There's an answer to a good question towards the very end of the video on the site I posted above that you might find interesting.

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I like Shelby. I'll have a listen. Thanks.

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wait so when people in hollywood speak out and you disagree they should shut their mouths and act, but when they agree with your views, their words are highlighted with a thumbs up. okay, hypocrisy? not surprised coming from the "right". always hear someone from the right complaining about morons in hollywood stating their views, yet when one of their own speaks out, its completely different.

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posted September 16, 2008 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Firstly, I don't give three squirrels' tails about what anybody thinks unless they make good points.
Secondly, it is completely different when someone from Hollywood expresses any opinions that are against the left. It's a bit of a career-killer, if you didn't know. Funny that, eh? Can't speak your heart in Tinseltown because your own career is at stake...and yet, art is all about the heart. Now, there's some hypocrisy!

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posted September 17, 2008 12:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
no sharply defined sense of self ...

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career killer? to whom? i doubt that much. if its killed anyone's career, im sure its more theyre just a bad actor/actress and want to blame something else for their failures but themselves. most creative people are liberal, esp in hollywood. but thats not the problem, the problem is the same people who talk against celebrities giving their liberal input, are the same ones raving about this article/actor. hey, i dont agree with the guy, but i would never say, "this guys is an idiot, and should go do movies and stfu" or what not. why cant it be just let people say what they want to say, without the harsh judgment? i could careless what celebrities have to say even when it reasonates with me. this is america, they can say whatever they want. republicans to me are hypocritical, it doesnt matter about the numbers(more liberals in la blah blah), its about standing behind the things you b1tch about.

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posted September 17, 2008 12:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Secondly, it is completely different when someone from Hollywood expresses any opinions that are against the left. It's a bit of a career-killer, if you didn't know. Funny that, eh?

Nope. I would categorize that as just plain wrong. You don't think Schwarzenegger could get into a role whenever he wanted? I remember seeing Charlton Heston on SNL in his later years. Mel Gibson did quite well for himself until he went off on a Jew rant on some cops. Clint Eastwood completed two movies while mayor.

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posted September 17, 2008 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Republican actors hesitant to express views
LOS ANGELES - The self-assured young professional is ready to come out of the closet.

Only five years into her career, she knows the risks. But she's willing to go public, she says, to bring the issue into the open.

Ellen Treanor is a Republican. And an actor. In famously liberal Hollywood, that combination is usually an oxymoron.

''It is pretty scary to be in a public situation or a party ... and have someone talking about the conservatives,'' she said. ''It's a joke for anyone to be supporting conservatives. If you speak up, you're limiting your chances'' of finding work.

The politics of Hollywood's liberal elite are well known. Barbra Streisand has stayed at the White House. Warren Beatty considered a run for president as the liberal alternative to Al Gore. And Steven Spielberg hosts President Clinton during fund-raising pilgrimages.

Some liberal actors have brought higher profiles to their causes: Ted Danson has sought to stem ocean pollution and Woody Harrelson has pushed for the legalization of marijuana.

Their money flows freely, too. In the 1996 election, President Clinton received $442,000 from TV and movie executives and their families, compared with $166,000 for Republican Bob Dole.

Then, there's Treanor. She listens to conservative talk-show host Rush Limbaugh, jokes about getting her Republican reading materials delivered in a ''brown paper sack'' and generally keeps her political opinions to herself.

Treanor and other Republican actors tell tales of being ostracized by casting directors who prefer to surround themselves with like-minded people. While a 1950s-style blacklist is probably more the stuff of paranoia, they still say they fear being cut out of the business due to her politics, not ability.

Treanor, who has appeared in NYPD Blue and Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman, said she once was rejected not for what she said, but for what she didn't say.

While waiting to do a reading of a play, Treanor and other actors saw former President Bush appear on television. When she didn't join in their criticism, one woman mocked Treanor. ''Oh, he was your guy,'' she recalled her saying.

''I'm really not friends with any of those people now,'' Treanor said. ''I would say shunned is exactly the term. They didn't invite me to put up the play when they produced it.''

At a recent luncheon of the Wednesday Morning Club, a right-leaning policy discussion group considered a safe haven by many Hollywood Republicans, Treanor and other Republican women openly criticized Clinton, and shared war stories about the challenge of being conservative in Hollywood.

Leah Lipschultz applauded when U.S. Rep. Jim Rogan, a California Republican, railed at the country for having failed its children morally.

She craned her neck to see actor Charlton Heston sitting across the room, and derided Democrats as unreasoned and closed-minded.

But asked to go on record using her stage name, however, Lipschultz declined.

''The thing that has made it so tough through the Clinton administration is that so much of the daily conversation was about the impeachment hearings,'' said Lipschultz, a recently registered Republican. In part, debates on the subject ''outed me to an extent to some people,'' she said.

Prominent actors such as Tom Selleck, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Heston have succeeded regardless of their politics. But to lesser-known actors, such outspokenness doesn't seem an option.

Even Heston and Selleck, they say, have come under fire by their colleagues for their support of the National Rifle Association.

Several Hollywood publicists discounted the danger of talking politics, but agreed it's prudent to avoid alienating fans and industry people in connection-crazy Los Angeles.

''It's easier to be loved by people for your talent than to risk diminishing a portion of that regard, because suddenly they're in touch with your partisanship,'' said David Brokaw, a spokesman for Bill Cosby and other celebrities.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/e918.htm


This has been going on for a long time and I can hardly imagine it's news today. Unless you can really pretend that gossip and reputation don't play a huge role in Hollywood culture.

Furthermore, I'd hardly argue that today's Hollywood crowd really has all that great talent to begin with. Make a few successful, though by no means good, films, plaster your name all over merchandise, speak up and give your money to a few popular causes, keep yourself plastered on the social scene and you're a Star! Contacts, publicity, money, looks and fashion ... that's what runs Hollywood. Few actors have said anything intelligent regarding politics in the past decade, at least. Does that mean I want them to shut up? Nope. I don't think anyone has to shut up because I don't agree with them. The slander, libel, personal attacks, satires, etc., for daring to disagree with the, like, popular opinion come from a ... select group.

(FYI, if your panties are in a bunch, please note I'm not referring to LL.)

Voight made very revealing statements. However, I don't think it can be denied that this was targetted toward those who haven't been swallowing up every media tidbit as the gospel truth. Remember, in Hollywood and for its suckers, red is the new black.

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posted September 17, 2008 07:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Because one is never enough to make any kind of point from the non-left side though speculation should be enough for everyone else.
http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/celebrity/becksmith.jsp?p=ce_bsf_143

Hollywood Republicans: Fact or Ficton?

By Steve Ryfle

Patricia Heaton was having dinner and conversation with a few Hollywood friends when the subject of politics came up. When the "Everybody Loves Raymond" star said she's voting for George W. Bush, the chatter turned to awkward silence.
"You'd think I'd crapped in the middle of the table," the Emmy-winning actress says in "Rated R: Republicans in Hollywood," a documentary that premiered recently on AMC-TV.

Hollywood has always been a liberal town, a Democratic stronghold. Over the decades there have been few openly conservative celebrities. John Wayne, Charlton Heston and Frank Sinatra were proud of their Republican leanings, but in the heat of the presidential campaign, Hollywood's GOP members (and yes, they do exist) seem locked in the closet.


Sen. John Kerry has enjoyed vocal and visible support from the Hollywood clan. Ben Affleck has appeared in person with the candidate, and Michael J. Fox was sitting in the front row at one of the debates, next to Kerry's wife. George Clooney and Michael Keaton each donated $2,000 to Kerry's campaign. Matt Damon's now being quoted as saying that he'd give a million dollars to get Kerry into the White House.
And everyone knows that Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins, Martin Sheen, Barbra Streisand, Danny Glover and a host of other celebs have long been loud liberals. The town's affinity with the Democrats supposedly dates back to the era of the Blacklist, when Hollywood was torn apart by Cold War conservatives and their commie witch-hunt.

But other than ex-action star and current California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, it's hard to find celebrities who sing the praises of the President. According to a prevailing theory, it's just too risky for Republican stars to speak out -- the possibility of career damage is just too great (even Schwarzenegger quipped after his GOP convention speech that wife Maria Shriver -- she of the Kennedy clan -- was so upset she shunned him in the sack for two weeks).

"I honestly think that it automatically hurts me if I said that I supported the war in Iraq and I support the troops," says Drew Carey, who describes himself as a libertarian in the "Rated R" documentary. "That automatically kills me for getting a bunch of movies, a bunch of TV shows. People don't want to hear from me."

Jesse Moss, the filmmaker behind "Rated R," had trouble getting stars to appear on camera. A disclaimer in his film states that Mel Gibson, Chuck Norris, Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, Bruce Willis and Heather Locklear -- all known Republicans -- refused to be interviewed.

Only a few famous Bush supporters aren't afraid to stand up. Ron Silver, the famed character actor who played attorney Alan Dershowitz in "Reversal of Fortune," also spoke forcefully for Bush at the GOP convention in August. "I am liberal on lots of social issues, but I am so serious about the Bush [anti-terrorism] line," Silver told the Chicago Tribune.

Country music stars, of course, are less reticent. Brooks & Dunn, Lee Ann Womack and the Gatlin Brothers all support Bush. And a few other celebrities are in Bush's corner, if not exactly speaking out on the President's behalf: Bruce Willis, Kid Rock, Kelsey Grammer, Alice Cooper and Britney Spears.

A few years ago, James Woods told Jay Leno he "loves" Dubya and was proud to have voted for him, and Danny Aiello has also been an unabashed Republican. It wasn't so long ago that Michael Moore's Oscar acceptance speech drew audible boos from some of the Hollywood rank-and-file. But at the moment, the Hollywood chorus of conservatives remains comparatively quiet.

Meanwhile, as the campaign has heated up, several news outlets have attempted to "out" Hollywood Republicans, including Details magazine. In a recent issue, Details named a few celebrities who are admitted conservatives, such as Jessica Simpson and Shannen Doherty, and a few surprises, such as Adam Sandler and Freddie Prinze Jr. Prinze's wife, Sarah Michelle Gellar, has expressed right-wing leanings in the past.

Mike DeLuca, a powerful producer at Sony Pictures Entertainment, told Details that when he acknowledged his Republican affiliation, the reaction in Hollywood was like admitting he was a "serial killer." DeLuca added that Tinseltown liberals "...scream about the environment before they hop onto their private jets and blow 8,000 pounds of fuel getting to the Hamptons."

Details also "outed" Mandy Moore, but her publicist issued a quip of a response, stating: "Mandy is not, nor has she ever been, a Republican."

Being a Republican in Hollywood, it seems, is to be a nonconformist, a rebel. Thus, the rebels are banding together, organizing, and speaking their minds -- in comfortable surroundings, anyway. A group called the Wednesday Morning Club, whose steering committee includes Oscar-winning actor Robert Duvall and Icon Pictures exec Steve McEveety (who produced "Braveheart"), has been gathering steam.

So has the Hollywood Congress of Republicans, which recently named Michael Moore "Jackass of the Year" (Moore, they say, still hasn't picked up his trophy, described as the "back part of a donkey").

What do celebrity endorsements mean to a presidential candidate, in terms of actual votes? Probably not much. Still, Hollywood's Republicans are looking forward to a day when they can speak their mind without fear of reprisals, says actor Mark Vafiades, president of the Hollywood Congress of Republicans.

"We're the guys who have the most difficulty expressing our views." Still, Vafiades says more and more people are registering with his organization -- a sign that the political climate may be changing. "It's getting closer to the day when [being a Hollywood Republican] will be acceptable."


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