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Glaucus
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posted October 19, 2008 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Retired General Colin L. Powell, one of the country's most respected
Republicans, stunned both parties on Sunday by strongly endorsing
Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) for president on NBC's "Meet the Press"
and laying out a blistering, detailed critique of the modern GOP.

"I think he is a transformational figure," Powell said. "He is a new
generation coming ... onto the world stage and on the American stage.
And for that reason, I'll be voting for Senator Barack Obama."

Powell, making his 30th appearance on "Meet the Press," led into that
by saying: "We've got two individuals — either one of them could be a
good president. But which is the president that we need now — which
is the individual that serves the needs of the nation for the next
period of time.

"And I come to the conclusion that because of his ability to inspire,
because of the inclusive nature of his campaign, because he is
reaching out all across America, because of who he is and his
rhetorical abilities — and you have to take that into account — as
well as his substance — he has both style and substance, he has met
the standard of being a successful president, being an exceptional
president."

Powell, speaking live in the studio, told moderator Tom Brokaw that
he is "troubled" by the direction of the Republican Party and
statements by the campaign of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), and said he
does not believe Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is ready to be president.

The statement will help Obama convince skeptical centrists that he is
ready to handle the challenges of commander in chief, and undercuts
McCain argument that he is better qualified on national security.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081019/pl_politico/14714


This is a great endorsement! Colin Powell's endorsement is a major
plus for Obama. He's a well-respected Republican as well as an
experienced military man. He knows a lot about foreign policy and
national security, and he believes that Obama is qualified.

Yeah...I can see Obama becoming our next president!

:-D

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Mannu
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posted October 19, 2008 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
McCain is backed by Kissinger who is more knowledgable than powell.

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posted October 20, 2008 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Congrats to Obama.

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Mannu
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posted October 20, 2008 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another black leader, Kofi Anan endorses Obama. Hmmm whats with this heritage loyalty?

“I think we have learned some lessons in the past eight years and I hope whoever wins will bear that in mind.” - Kofi
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31596_Another_Celebrity_Endorsement_for_Ba rack_Obama

Powells endoresement comes right after that guy. Well, Iraq is minus Saddam - think about that you jerks. And Kofi next time also express your hatred for Russia ,China ,Cuba, Venezuela , Burma, etc than reserving it all for USA.


Well well well they say black souls are inherently not made for capitalism and for union but for liberty alone. Powell realized it during retirement and regrets his UN speech perhaps? Makes me wonder if they feel they are on the wrong side of the earth?


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posted October 20, 2008 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are white leaders that like Obama too

Kofi Adnan is a former leader of the United Nations.

That's a good endorsement

He is not endorsing Obama because he's black. He is endorsing Obama,but he happens to be black.
Same with Colin Powell.
Same with a lot of people that are black.
same with a lot of black people that are voting for him including me(part black).
A lot of people with black ancestry are voting for him not because of he's part black.

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posted October 20, 2008 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Colin Powell, a man without a shred of honor or decency.

When Joe Wilson accused the Bush administration of outing his wife..Valerie Plame as a CIA officer, Colin Powell knew it wasn't true.

When the press accused the Bush administration of retaliating against the lying Joe Wilson for writing a lying Op-Ed piece in the NY Times, Colin Powell knew it wasn't true.

For about 2 years while the press and Joe Wilson continued to accuse Bush and Cheney of deliberately outing Valerie Plame as a CIA officer, Colin Powell knew it wasn't true.

Colin Powell knew who outed Valerie Plame to Robert Novak of the Chicago Sun Times who wrote the story...because the person who actually told Robert Novak that Valerie Plame..Joe Wilson's wife..worked as an officer for the CIA TOLD Colin Powell almost immediately.

Yet, Colin Powell never told Bush or anyone in the Bush administration who actually outed Valerie Plame to Robert Novak and let the press and the lying Joe Wilson attack the Bush administration with a lie for almost 2 years...and he never uttered a peep.

Such a person has no honor or decency whatsoever and should never again be trusted by anyone.

The person who outed Valerie Plame to Robert Novak worked directly for Colin Powell as Deputy Secretary of State...while Colin Powell was Secretary of State. His name is Richard Armitage and he told Colin Powell he was the source of the story almost from the first day the story broke in the Chicago Sun Times about Plame's position at the CIA.

Richard Armitage was a vocal critic of the Iraq War and was in no way a Bush supporter and he also kept silent. Because Richard Armitage kept silent on his leak to Robert Novak, Novak couldn't reveal his source for the information that Plame, the lying Joe Wilson's wife, worked for the CIA.

Both Colin Powell and Richard Armitage let George Bush and other administration officials take the heat for what Richard Armitage had done...and what Colin Powell KNEW he had done..and never uttered a peep to explode the lies being told about Bush and other administration officials.

Such men have not one shred of honor or decency, not one.

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posted October 20, 2008 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Limbaugh the wise man agrees with me that the choice made was purely because they share the heritage. Obama looked more black to me in the final debate. May be because he was sitting as opposed to standing.

Come on you white Americans suffering from "white guilt syndrome". Stand up for your own kind because McCain is more able than Obama. And Palin more than that dumb Biden.


quote:

Conservative talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh Monday strongly defended his recent remark that Colin Powell endorsed Barack Obama largely because of race, and lashed out at members of the media and Democrats for appearing to take issue with his comment.

"So what if it's race?" Limbaugh said on his radio show. "Why is it so hard to admit that it's race…What's so problematic about admitting it?"

Limbaugh's original comments came in an email to Politico reporter Jonathan Martin Sunday, when the talk-radio host took issue with Powell's contention that his endorsement of the Illinois senator did not have anything to do with the color of his skin.

"Secretary Powell says his endorsement is not about race," Limbaugh wrote in the e-mail. "OK, fine. I am now researching his past endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very liberal, white candidates he has endorsed. I'll let you know what I come up with."

The comments immediately caused a stir on several Democratic blogs and an Obama campaign spokeswoman called them "disgusting." They were also heavily reported on several news programs Sunday night and Monday morning. But Limbaugh made clear Monday he is not backing down from them.

"I thought it should be about race," he said. "I thought you liberals thought this was a historic candidacy because finally we are going to elect a black guy…why hide behind this, why act like it's not about race?"

"This was all about Powell and race, nothing about the nation and its welfare," Limbaugh added. The talk radio host also criticized members of the media for not addressing his claim that Powell likely hasn't endorsed white candidates who, according to Limbaugh, have similar political leanings and experience as Obama.


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posted October 21, 2008 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I strongly disagree with you.


Colin Powell made some good points that Obama nor any other presidential candidates made.

that is.....being a muslim is not a bad thing, being a muslim doesn't
mean that you are less patriotic than a Christian


"I'm also troubled by, not what Senator McCain says, but what members
of the party say. And it is permitted to be said such things
as, "Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim." Well, the correct
answer is, he is not a Muslim; he's a Christian. He's always been a
Christian.

But the really right answer is, "What if he is?" Is there something
wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's
not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old
Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president?
Yet, I have heard senior members of my own party drop the
suggestion, "He's a Muslim and he might be associated [with]
terrorists." This is not the way we should be doing it in America.

I feel strongly about this particular point because of a picture I
saw in a magazine. It was a photo essay about troops who are serving
in Iraq and Afghanistan. And one picture at the tail end of this
photo essay was of a mother in Arlington Cemetery, and she had her
head on the headstone of her son's grave. And as the picture focused
in, you could see the writing on the headstone. And it gave his
awards—Purple Heart, Bronze Star—showed that he died in Iraq, gave
his date of birth, date of death. He was 20 years old. And then, at
the very top of the headstone, it didn't have a Christian cross, it
didn't have the Star of David, it had crescent and a star of the
Islamic faith. And his name was Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan, and he
was an American.

He was born in New Jersey. He was 14 years old at the time of 9/11,
and he waited until he can go serve his country, and he gave his
life. Now, we have got to stop polarizing ourself in this way. And
John McCain is as nondiscriminatory as anyone I know. But I'm
troubled about the fact that, within the party, we have these kinds
of expressions."

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/john-farrell/2008/10/20/colin-powells-
endorsement-of-barack-obama-and-eloquence-about-anti-muslim-bigotry-
in-america.html?s_cid=rss:john-farrell:colin-powells-endorsement-of-
barack-obama-and-eloquence-about-anti-muslim-bigotry-in-america

mainly, it's like saying.....look get off your self righteous
Christian high horse and realize that there are patriotic,honorable
people of many religions besides Christianity that do love their
country and are not terrorists. We need to get over the muslim
bigotry that stinks up our country. Just because some people of a
certain kind attacked our country doesn't mean that all people of
that kind are bad. This is just common sense stuff....It's wrong to
be bigots against certain kind of people based on a few. in other
words, don't judge a tree based on a few bad apples.

I don't know about you,but I am tired of the self righteous hypocrisy
that runs rampant in our country. I believe it's that self righteous
hypocrisy is USA' main weakness. I think USA's greatest enemy is
itself. United we stand,divided we fall.


It would be nice to have a child who can run for president of the
United States even though he/she's part black and might not be a
Christian but could be a pagan,new ager,or other things. It would
suck if he was attacked for his parents not being Christians and into
Astrology and other subjects that many Christians denounce as evil
and many others denounce as nonsense. If I had a child that is
homosexual,his/her sexual orientation shouldn't keep him/her from
being president.

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posted October 21, 2008 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glaucus, I don't give a flying flip whether you agree with what I said or not.

What I said is true in every respect and there's no exaggeration in what I said.

Colin Powell is not a man for whom I have a shred of respect...nor would any other person who betrayed the President he worked for have my respect...such as another man named Richard Armitage.

There was a time I would have voted for Colin Powell and I said so on the Astrology forum. That was before I remembered the role Powell played in the Plame scandal. The real scandal was all his and his Deputy Secretary's Richard Armitage.


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posted October 22, 2008 12:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow.....
I have to ask. Does it really matter in the whole scope of things who becomes president?

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posted October 22, 2008 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes we need conspicuous people running for president and becoming president. the way things have turned out anyone could run for the president. started with Obama who didn't have much experience but is running for the president with his black color. This prompted McCain to bring in a youger Palin, who fortunately is smart. I don't want a liberal to become the president. Why should i send a dime to their government who is acting like an employer? They have a big hand in the financial crisis. Barney, Dodd, Schumer, Jim Johnson, etc etc
They have ripped apart Joe the Plumbers character for standing up. Obama is tied with radicals including Acorn people. He is also subtly tied to murder of young black men who the media is ignoring. The media is giving a free ride to Obama and pursuing Joe the plumber and Palin and tring to tear them up. What a shame this media. Obama launched his career in the living rooms of Ayers. He sat in America hating church for 20 years. Should I go on and on?


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posted October 22, 2008 01:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I mean I understand all that. But dont you think the outcome of this election as well as the state of world affairs are playing to the tune of a much higher plan than what you see and hear with your literal eyes and ears. Where is your faith in the Divine? All things happen for a reason.

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posted October 22, 2008 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"with his black color"
wow!


from the looks of it, he has light brown/dark tan skin like me...especially being the son of white woman and black man like me. His skin is not black. His father's was...but not his.

I don't believe in the one drop rule (a person is black because he/she's part black). I believe that it was outdated since the Loving vs. Virginia Supreme court ruling that got rid of all interracial marriage bans in USA on June 12, 1967. I was born 4 1/2 years after that.

I don't see Obama as a black man, and I never saw him as a black man. That's because I don't believe in the one drop rule. Heck..he didn't even grow up with blacks either. I wouldn't like it if people saw me as a black man. I prefer people to acknowledge all of me and not just part of me. Many mixed people want the same thing too. Too many people are hung up on a rule that was used to keep blacks and whites from mixing. I hope to be in an interracial marriage with the woman that I love too. That's probably not an interracial marriage...after all,she's white like my mother. Offspring from interracial unions exist. This one drop rule is a joke for people like me.

here is a pic of me with my skin color...my skin is definitely not black....a lot of Mexicans down in Tijuana are dark as me and even darker. Many hispanics actually think that I am Puerto Rican. my mother has a peaches/cream complexion, and my father had medium to dark brown skin. Some people also thought I was middle eastern too. Some people also thought I was a pacific islander. Some think that I am black/Mexican mix.

American hating church...my ass I am sorry, but the church doesn't hate Americans.....it just points out the truth about the racism that goes on in USA as well as the USA's bad foreign policies...especially under GWB. Wright was in the Marines and the Navy. I was in the Navy too.

there is no proof that Obama is connected to a black man murdered...he's innocent until proven guilty.


man...this thread turns into FOX News.

also a lot of whites aren't voting for Obama out of white guilt....the same with a lot of blacks not voting for Obama because his father was black. Just like I am not voting for him because he's the son of white woman and black man like me.


Give people credit for having more depth. We're not a bunch of shallow people. I am definitely not. That's why I am tired of people flinging their self righteous hypocritical religous views and try to infringe on people's rights which they have done in the past in regards to slavery,jim crow laws,interracial marriage bans and now with gay marriage bans as well as this disgusting muslim hatred. Jingoism is a serious problem here in America. I keep stressing that we are multifaith,multiethnic country. I believe in equality of all people.


is it unpatriotic for me to say that if I lived in the days of World War 1,World War 2,and Vietnam War, I would have refused to fight for my country because I wouldn't want to fight for a country that didn't have racial equality nor gender equality.

is it unpatriotic not to observe July 4th as Independence Day because my black ancestors independence wasn't considered during the founding of the USA?

even Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. questioned observing the bicentennial of the Declaration of Independence. He thought it had no meaning in the lives of blacks.


I would definitely observe July 2nd as Independence Day. That's the anniversary of the Civil Rights Act passed on July 2, 1965

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posted October 22, 2008 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes oneruledbymars, it really does matter who sits in the chair of the most powerful single person in the world. It's enormous power which affects the lives and well being of every American..and many outside our borders as well.

I wonder if you would be saying and thinking what you just said...if for instance..you had lived in the Soviet Union in the 1920's and 1930's when the communist government was in the process of deliberately, willfully and intentionally killing their own citizens...somewhere between 70 and 100 million of their own citizens. Or perhaps you could have been in communist China when Mao and his murderous band of communists were killing another 100 to 130 million of their own citizens...both because they simply "disagreed" with their government.

The form of government and the person at the head of that government really does matter.

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posted October 22, 2008 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, definitely and Obama's economy plan will hurt the students more than that of McCains. Think about it, if your parents are laid off, how can u afford education for your kids? Its not too late to say to no to a liberal Obama. We all want to see a black president some day but he better come from the proper place (certainly not from a chicago political machine who surprisingly even defeated the powerful clinton machine) Obama encourages anti social elements and thugs.

July 2 is also the day when the declaration was first drafted in secrecy but announced to the world on july 4th . So either date is signigicant. July 4 is more harmonious because it means home and growth/multiplication. A perfect symbol of America.

Obama is guilty of identification with his black heritage. Look at his history :- white girlfriend was dumped, black wife, black church, worked as lawyer representing blacks, etc etc ....

Did he do anything for the whites? May he is doing it all for blacks because he suffers an inferiority complex since his childhood days about not being white. His direct black ancestors never suffered in America. Did they toil on farms? Did they work 14 hours a day under the hot sun in the south? His dad came from Kenya as an exchange stydent and definitely not poor. What has he sacrifised for America? Why are people sucking his dick so much?

The first whites immigrants were well to do when they came here, but so many others were not. What has he done for them?

A president does not just work for one race but a whole diversity. What actions he took that indicates his love for others besides his own kind? Don't give that corrupt Acorn example. They are thugs and anti social elements who rigs elections.


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posted October 22, 2008 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
>>Where is your faith in the Divine? All things happen for a reason

IMO even Palin gets it wrong too . She says God will do things right on election day.


No. God never interferes on what people want. He/She only provides you with what you need and always available as a counsellor in your heart when you need help in making decisions. Didn't they say "When you fall asleep God goes to work and when you are awake God is asleep?" Hahah.. God never sleeps.

She has provided you land to walk on and sky to gaze at. Capitalism, socialism, etc etc are all personmade forces. Anyhow its my own private faith which I am gossiping about.

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posted October 22, 2008 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok. I get what you guys are saying.
I guess I just have a hard time wrapping my mind around it all. My Mercury is in Pisces and my Moon in Sag. So I dont take the grounded approach to most things. But hey it takes all of us to make this Universe go 'round, so I am throwing my hat in on this one. You guys have at it! lol

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