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Mannu
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posted October 27, 2008 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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France's new President-elect Nicolas Sarkozy has called for unity after a bitterly-contested campaign.
The conservative won a clear victory over his socialist rival Segolene Royal, gaining 53% of the vote with a massive 85% turnout.

Mr Sarkozy said the French people had chosen change and he would use the mandate he had received to achieve it.
After the result was announced, there were minor clashes with protesters in Paris and some other cities. Several hundred rioters in the Place de la Bastille threw bottles and stones at police, shouting "Sarko-fascist".

Two police officers were injured in Nantes, where 1,000 demonstrators turned violent. Arrests were made in half-a-dozen cities, but the violence soon subsided.



more here..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6631309.stm


Conservative Wins French Election


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/14/AR2007051401471.html

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jwhop
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posted October 27, 2008 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Strange don't you think Mannu...that when demoscats are running the most far left Marxist Socialist for President..Barack Hussein O'Bomber...European nations have already rejected their own Marxist Socialists and elected far more conservative leaders. Soon, the British will follow suit. The Marxist Socialist Labour Party of Gordon Brown is finished. It's only a matter of time until they're out of power in Britain.

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posted October 28, 2008 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Europeans will learn Obama has no 'magic wand': analysts
by Sylvie Lanteaume Sylvie Lanteaume Tue Oct 28, 9:29 am ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) – Barack Obama, if he is elected US president next week, will disappoint his many European admirers when they find out he has no "magic wand" to change American foreign policy, analysts warn.

Analysts say that the Democratic candidate -- whom Europeans overwhelmingly favor over his Republican rival John McCain -- will likely change just the style rather than the substance of diplomacy.

A recent poll showed that 78 percent of the French, 72 percent of Germans, 68 percent of Spaniards, 66 percent of Italians and 48 percent of Britons would like to see Obama elected on November 4.

The poll, by France 24 television and the Paris-based International Herald Tribune newspaper, showed that McCain had the support of only one percent of the French surveyed, five percent of Germans and eight percent of Spaniards.

"There is an expectation by the Europeans that Barack Obama could come in as president and he is going to wave his magic wand and everything is going to be different," said James Goldgeier, expert at the Council on Foreign Relations.

"If he were to win, we would see a huge change in just the whole tone of American foreign policy ," according to the former diplomat who is a specialist in trans-Atlantic relations.

However, on some key subjects, like the expansion of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and ties with Russia, Obama "is much more constrained" politically, Goldgeier told AFP.

"No president of the United States can tell the Russians: Yes, you can just do whatever you want in Georgia," the analyst said.

According to Obama's website, "Barack Obama and (vice presidential candidate) Joe Biden believe the process of NATO enlargement -- which has helped countries throughout Central and Eastern Europe become more stable and democratic -- should continue so long as new candidates for membership are democratic, peaceful, and willing to contribute to our common security."

Obama has promised to consult US allies more than incumbent George W. Bush has on key international issues, but at the same time he has signaled he will expect more cooperation from the Europeans, especially on Afghanistan.

"Barack Obama and Joe Biden will expect allies to commit more resources to this common mission and to remove some of the limits on what their troops in country can do," said Obama's website.

The Democratic candidate has therefore adopted the position of President George W. Bush's administration in urging the European Union to send more combat troops to fight insurgents in Afghanistan.

Obama has also urged the Europeans to lift restrictions some NATO members have put on their troops on the ground.

The Democratic candidate has pledged to close the detention center for captured Islamist militants at Guantanamo Bay, one of the main causes for Bush's unpopularity in Europe.

However, there is no real difference with McCain who has also promised to close this prison where 272 prisoners have been held for years without being formally accused of a crime.

Critics say the prison violates historic principles of US justice.

For Justin Vaisse, a Brookings Institution expert who was commenting on the future relations with Europe, "there is a risk of unmet expectations but goodwill should generate more positive responses."

However, Vaisse said, a change in style can have "very important" ramifications for relations with allies, just as Nicolas Sarkozy's election as France's president has improved French-US ties without changing much underneath.

Copyright © 2008 Agence France Presse. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081028/pl_afp/usvotediplomacy

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posted October 29, 2008 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nicolas Sarkozy has already criticized O'Bomber for being naive about Iran and Iran's intentions.

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posted October 29, 2008 12:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the right wing in france in still more left than the left in the U.S.

check it.

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Mannu
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posted October 29, 2008 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
praecipua,
Our unique constitution was intelligently created looking at best of the then world including French, England, Greece etc etc...
and had Ben Franklin a scientist as one of the founding fathers. So the left and right may appear confusing.

Conservative policies can be best studied by studying Reagan who brought down unemployment by cutting taxes and thereby creating more jobs....a prosperous era for Americans.

This French president is doing the same.

Also check how of late French are now intrigued by American culture

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Mannu
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posted October 29, 2008 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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On the final day, as the last delegates were signing the document, Franklin pointed toward the sun on the back of the Convention president's chair. Observing that painters had found it difficult to distinguish in their art a rising sun from a setting sun, he went on to say: "I have often ... in the course of the session ... looked at that sun behind the President without being able to tell whether it was rising or setting. But now at length I have the happiness to know it is a rising and not a setting sun."

Franklin was one of several American leaders who saw the new Union as a model that other countries could usefully emulate. "I send you," he wrote to friends in Europe, "the proposed new federal Constitution for these states.... If it succeeds, I do not see why you might not in Europe form a Federal Union and one grand republic of all its different states and kingdoms...."


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posted October 29, 2008 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its interesting to see how the EU evolved differently. I don't think people pay income tax or social security tax to the center. Is there a center/Federal? Who bears cost of military people? Federal or State?

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posted October 30, 2008 12:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
in europe, nation states have their own military forces. France, and the UK are the main ones, and i've understood that these two wanted to start a sort of european army.

u kno in france, people doubt political leaders a lot. where i live in the countryside people are aware they are being abused by the elite. they keep quiet, but there's a commonly accepted mistrust of politics.
nicolas sarkozy is definitely from the right though he's mixing his actions with some propagand leaning on marxism . he's a kind of populist.
olivier besancenot is very interesting and there was an interview of him in the new york times on sept. 12th

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In the 2007 presidential election, Mr. Besancenot won 4.1 percent of the vote with the slogan, “Our lives are worth more than their profits.” But in the year since, as the Socialist Party has squabbled over its leadership and Mr. Sarkozy has picked off a few Socialist figures for his own cabinet, the young radical has become almost mainstream — serious surveys show that more than 60 percent of the French regard him favorably.



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Mannu
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posted October 30, 2008 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess you cannot take socialism out of Europe and India , and you can't take capitalism out of Americans. Obama is trying to do that. Lets see how successful he is.


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posted October 30, 2008 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obama very clearly wouldn't be where he is without Capitalism, so once again we have some seriously flawed thinking coming from you.

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Mannu
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posted October 30, 2008 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
redistribution of wealth is socialism dude.
your candidate studied political science and he has been using such words since 2001.

Obama is in your blind spot, so no matter what I show will make any difference to you.

He sat 20 years in America hating black church. He hates everything America stood for and now all of a sudden pro America just because he got a shot at white house. His wife said for the first time she is proud of America, etc etc.
Glaucus agreed too that most blacks are not born to be capitalist. Go figure.


Its not that my thinking is flawed. It is your perception of it. It is your candidates perception of America that is flawed. Nothing is more democratic than town hall debates but he is doing it the liberal way and bells and whistles knowing well he has no substance.


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Mannu
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posted October 30, 2008 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are they praying to him or for him
Just kidding guys

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