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Topic: The 50 Richest Members of Congress
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Mannu
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From: always here and no where
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 29, 2008 12:59 PM
  
Not trying to demonize rich people like the liberals do. But whoever said Republicans are party of the rich needs to take a look here. Top 3 senators are Democrats. I love successful and wealthy people. They have and are contributing much to civilization. http://www.rollcall.com/features/Guide-to-Congress_2008/guide/28506-1.html?typ e=printer_friendly Senate (top 3)
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Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.)
$230.98 million Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.)
$80.40 million Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.)
$55.33 million House of Rep (top 3)
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Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.)
$225.96 million Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.)
$160.62 million Rep. Robin Hayes (R-N.C.)
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Quinnie
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posted October 29, 2008 06:09 PM
They should be demonized (I get demonized by my partner for less lol) when there are people with nothing!!!It should be compulsory to donate a certain percentage to charity which could include your child's school or your local hospital etc. IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted October 29, 2008 06:16 PM
Quinnie are you an American citizen?
Check this out:
'Good Samaritan' saves crying woman's foreclosed home
http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/10/28/foreclosed.home/index.html
Point is no one forced this woman do what she did. If she was forced she would have done quite the opposite. I believe in Goodness of people and have several examples to fill this page.
The idiot liberals will say , I want to pay my fair share of charity, my fair share of SSN, my fair share of medicare, my fair share of etc.... Then let everyone pay fairtax. Why should a small business owner employing 20 other people pay more to the government? There is nothing fair about it.
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Quinnie
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posted October 29, 2008 06:22 PM
Mannu, no I'm not an American citizen, I live in Ireland.Thats nice to see that goodness occurs BUT more often than not people are neglectful towards those who are neglected.
If I had the choice I wouldn't pay taxes
BUT I'm forced to. Peace to you IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted October 29, 2008 06:26 PM
Ireland suffered badly in the 60s with high taxes. It followed Reagan policies in the 1990s and cut corporate taxes and attracted many businesses to that country  They are prospering since.BTW, You may find flaws in that story as well , but heh... it was just an example.
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Quinnie
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posted October 29, 2008 06:35 PM
You are correct, the system is not fair. Thats why it should be a percentage of income given to charity rather than income tax.
What's income tax all about anyway?IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted October 29, 2008 06:37 PM
When I say charity I mean donations.
The whole system needs a shake up.
Some people are too greedy.IP: Logged |
Eleanore
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 30, 2008 08:18 AM
I don't know that I agree that people should be somehow obligated to donate to charity but I definitely think that charitable organizations are more successful at helping the needy than governments who waste or pocket a lot of that "aid" money anyway. I don't know how people can think themselves generous or caring of the poor because they support higher taxes ... money which will mostly never reach the poor at all. So many organizations exist to bring real aid to real people. But 1) how much do you have left for your own needs and for others after the government has pocketed your money and 2) it takes a lot of personal effort to get involved with charities as far as choosing the right ones for whatever reasons and how much and how often you will contribute, etc. It's a lot easier to believe the hoopla that your government is going to make it all better if only you give them everything, no questions asked. For some people anyway. 
Back to the original topic, though. I think alot of people are operating under the assumption that the old party lines still reflect the modernized parties. So much shifting has occurred that old generalities don't always, if ever, apply. Doesn't necessarily mean we have opposites, just important variations. Neither party, imo, fits neatly into the mold of a party "for the poor".
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Mannu
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posted October 30, 2008 11:25 AM
Quinnie you come from Europe where you want everything to be done by the government.Why should charity be mandatory? Government will make churches obsolete in that case. Are you saying there should be no churches or temples? Its never gonna happen. IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted October 30, 2008 06:51 PM
Charity should be mandatory because the money needed SHOULD be provided to charity and not given only because there is enough to go around after other priorities (like military) have been catered to.
The money needed for charity should be provided no questions asked. By making it mandatory this will ensure that happens. I don't see how that will stop a person going above and beyond their donation if their compassion is ignited. That example you gave... Do you really believe this would not have happened if a small percentage of money was given to charity monthly anyway?What have churches got to do with it? "Quinnie you come from Europe where you want everything to be done by the government."
Thats just a subjective perspective but why not have everything done by a government if it's run fairly and morally? IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted October 30, 2008 07:18 PM
Your fundamental assumption is that poverty exists and will exist eternally. In Europe and other nations that is true.In America a negligible percent of people live in poverty. There are shelters that government provides but poor people still prefer to sleep on benches , go to public bathroom for shower etc. It is illegal in some states for people to live on the streets. When immigrants came here, there were very few poor people here. Most had just about enough money. Everyone is given equal opportunity to succeed. Our constitution is written in the spirits of equality for all. It is biased when the president is elected, and expects him to be born here. The person can loose his citizenship even when he is natural born under certain scenarios.
It is not a flaw but a necessity. The only flaw is power hungry politician who calls it a flaw. IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted October 30, 2008 07:24 PM
Mannu you are deluded!
poverty exists in all countries including America!No people are not given equal opportunities except when they fight for it. The reasons for all of this are social!
Social reform is needed. A person who has been abused/neglected in poverty their whole life compared to someone who lead the life of the silver spoon does not have the same opportunities. Wake up. Stop ignoring the obvious. IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted October 30, 2008 07:26 PM
It is you that is deluded.Poors don't want to be reformed. They think poverty is holiness. Its a kind of ego really. And it is you that wants to change them.
It is you that is projecting onto their blank canvasses. Grow up.
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Mannu
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posted October 30, 2008 07:28 PM
Anyhow - it appears that you have come here in this world to learn how to remove suffering.Good luck. IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted October 30, 2008 07:30 PM
http://www.rense.com/general69/paper.htm
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Mannu
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posted October 30, 2008 07:32 PM
WTF, what has USA Patriot Act got to do with Poverty?
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Quinnie
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posted October 30, 2008 07:36 PM
'Our constitution is written in the spirits of equality for all'
Thats what you said and that was my reply to it.IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted October 30, 2008 07:39 PM
Any Americans phone can be tapped..
Thats equality.Its like the internet, how do you know your home pc is not hacked by someone? The government is doing the phones openly. IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted October 30, 2008 07:52 PM
Now I feel so much better Mannu!We are all the same in phone. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
Knowflake Posts: 4415
From: Pleasanton, CA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 31, 2008 01:42 AM
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Mannu you are deluded!
poverty exists in all countries including America!
Yes, he is deluded on this.
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/poverty.html IP: Logged |
Mannu
Knowflake Posts: 45
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posted October 31, 2008 05:45 AM
AG we all know your head is buried deep in ur ass.
I said:
>>>In America a negligible percent of people live in poverty Our poor people are much richer than in some of the other countries of the world. The poverty scale on which we judge is much higher than most other countries. No time to post materials here. quote:
Reading is same as writing. Must be a cancerian who said that.
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AcousticGod
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posted October 31, 2008 01:29 PM
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