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AceNeerav
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posted November 30, 2008 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AceNeerav     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what do u feel is the best punishment for terrorist?

my answer: attack them where it hurts them the most. religion. with no offense to islam or muslims, i think those terrorists caught should be made to eat pork and their video should be distributed on the internet. this will generate fright in the minds of the radicals and they would avoid joining extremists groups.

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Xodian
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posted November 30, 2008 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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with no offense to islam or muslims, i think those terrorists caught should be made to eat pork and their video should be distributed on the internet. this will generate fright in the minds of the radicals and they would avoid joining extremists groups.

And give their twisted cause (i.e. their preception that Islam is under attack by infidels) a solid motive of conduct? Yeah brilliant plan.[/SARCASAM] Why start new fires when you're already busy putting another big one out?

Counter-Terrorist action starts off with preventative measures rather then aft-terror event thinking. Jordan and SA have tightened the noose when it comes to anti-terror laws and measures. I am not gonna even get into the punishment they have set aside for convicted terrorists... Furthermore, they had to take drastic steps in updating their intelligence networks and in the end, that paid off the most with as many as 15 plausible terror plots stopped at one incident alone.


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AceNeerav
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posted December 01, 2008 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AceNeerav     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi xodian. initialy it will intensify things. true. but eventually if we continue to be super tough they will break down. cause making our selves super tough would also involve taking some actions against the states that fun them, which includes the middle east countries and pakistan. when we tighten our noose on them my laying sanctions and and preventing supplies of important things like food and techonolgy, the people of these nations will be forced to change their policy. like musharaf was forced to handle terrorism. its a chain. we act tough, they act tougher we act even tougher until their system finally collapses. islamic terrorism involves everyone from the average citizen of the islamic world (including india) to the terrorist them selves. i am not saying the average mulsim is a terrorists but in a way or other they help these terrorists to survive in their religious system.

we simply cannot take a soft stand.

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Xodian
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posted December 01, 2008 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fact of the matter is, the funding for terror organizations might not even be derived from Middle Eastern nations. THAT'S the one big mistake most intelligence officials make and they have ended up paying the price for that. If you wanna catch these two-bit thugs, you need a strong intelligence network avalible. Like I said, Jordan have been a key successive partner in the ongoing fight against terrorism. So has been SA and now many other nations are joining in. Most terror networks are financed by illegal activities such as drug trade. Infact Narcoterrorism accounts for more casualties overall then state set terrorism.

They HELP terrorists?! Your average Muslim denouces terrorism time and time again! Most Middle Eastern nations that have a strong Islamic foundation have OPENLY denounced terrorism. No offense Ace but you're talking out unwarrented preception. Like you jsut said, terrorism affects a Muslim civilian as well and they totally know it.

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AceNeerav
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posted December 01, 2008 03:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AceNeerav     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i am not saying that the average muslim directly helps terrorism. but he indirectly does. please i have already fought for this fact with my hard lined hindu kashmiri pandit friend who was thrown out of his home by terrorist in late 80s. he feels all muslims are the same. what i am trying to say will be explained by this real life observation of mine...

i live in a hindu dominated area of mumbai. my college is 5 minutes from my home. just opposite my college is a huge slum. this slum is muslim dominated. i used to go in this area to the pan corner to have a cigarette. there are speakers all around the slum, typical to muslim colonies, which play the namaz during prayer time from the local mosque. but at other times, they would play speeches by muslim hard liners who say things against america, england, non muslims, muslim bollywood actors/actress who would wear western clothes and live a western life. i have heard it so many times. the speeches are provocative. they speak with a gusto. as if adding kerosene to fuel some fire. and people intently listen. when i asked the pan wala who is playing this they say the mosque.

now say, isnt this supporting fundamentalism, which in turn fuels terrorism.

i again say, the average muslim is just like the average person of any other society, wanting peace and security, science and commerce in his/her culture. but my not taking action against these mullas and madarassas they are allowing terrorist among their culture.

about ur idea of drug trade being the root of terrorism, let me remind u, or inform u incase u dont know, that the taliban considered opium trade as antimuslim and banned it in afghanistan, probably the only good thing they did. and now that afghanistan is on its own, with nothing to do, opium trade is back full swing.

i dont think the root of terrorism is cause of any kind of criminal activity, but by taking up to arms, they become criminals of the highest order.

while i am typing this, the india tv channel is reporting that the muslim counsil of india has disagreed from taking the bodies of these terrorist for final rites as they do not consider them as muslims. now this is what one should do. hats of to the musilm counsil of india.

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posted December 01, 2008 03:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
a) Consider your setting. The Slums, Poverty stricken areas, impressionable populus... Perfect grounds for people who are looking to improve their lives and are taken in by hard liners. What you have said there isn't anything new. Its actually has been the demographic of choice for recruiters.

b) The conflict involving Kashmeer goes far beyond Islamic terrorism and unfortunately your friend seems to be focusing on that area of the conflict alone (for understandable reasons offcourse.) Does he knows about the situation in Sachin? As well as the bordering area around it? Its been an open conflict ground for both Indian and Pakistani forces. Once the area is stabilized, people can start focusing on removing these dipshits rather then worrying about the prospects of their future.

c) http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/features/jan-june07/afghanistan_5-23.html

Uhhhh, there ya go Ace. You clearly do not know the extent of how much the Taliban DID use Opium for funding their terror plots. You ahve been enlightened.

d) Offcourse they are going to be denied funeral rights. Islam strictly condemns the killings of innocents and non-combatants. To do so is Anti-Islamic and ironically, these fundimentalists fail to catch up on that.

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AceNeerav
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posted December 01, 2008 06:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AceNeerav     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
get ur facts straight xodian. the website u linked speaks garbage.
http://opioids.com/afghanistan/index.html http://opioids.com/afghanistan/opium-economy.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

according to the above 3 links it s turns out to be that while taliban banned opium in 2001 and put a death punishment to those who manufactured it, the fact that it is thriving now is just believed to be because of the taliban.

according to the nat geo documentary i watched, opium is being produced by farmers as its the only source of income from agriculture right now and the govenrment is not taking any strict actions against these farmers for obvious reasons of sympathy. i clearly remmember the afghan farmer saying to nat geo that he has to do it for his kids, and that if it were taliban rule he would had been hanged by now.

the name of the documentary is ... Afghan heroin: the lost war.

it can be seen here... http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=rP2VIjJTARk

i guess nat geo is definitely a far reliable source.

the link u posted must have been written by some jwhop kinda guy who tries to convinvce people of BS.

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AceNeerav
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posted December 01, 2008 06:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AceNeerav     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and by the way, what do u propose should be the way to handle these terrorists?

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Xodian
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posted December 01, 2008 07:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mr. Ace, clearly the links you have aren't taking into account the fact that the Taliban may have CUT "POPPY" production (emphisis on POPPY production,) the UN themselves conducted another row of investigations and found out that the Taliban are actually stockpiling Opium in huge amounts for themselves:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/28/world/middleeast/28opium.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

Read away Mr. Ace. BTW: The link I provided is a legitimate givenment runned media outlet at the U.S. known of its independent assesment of historical context and world issues. Its called PBS.

You really have a lot of catching up to do. Things have drastically changed since the Poppy growing ban of 2001.

I do have my facts straight. I recommend you do a lot more research before laying down archaic information that has no relevence anymore.

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posted December 01, 2008 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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and by the way, what do u propose should be the way to handle these terrorists?

The best way to stop any terror cell from conducting its targeted plot would be to stop it from activating its plan in the first place. India was slow to catch up upon the heightened cross-border activity before the attack much in part due to a very outdated intelligence gathering network.

As for the terrorists themselves, I have no sympathies for idiots like them. If it means a more stringent punshment (including the death penelty) then so be it. Make it horrific and make it public if you have to. I personally find public executions a more... befitting end that does clearly spreads the appropriate message across.

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AceNeerav
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posted December 01, 2008 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AceNeerav     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
public executions will make them martyrs among their colleagues. this will excite them to do their tasks. they are ready to die for their so called cause anyway. the befitting punishment is humiliating them. they should know what awaits them if they get caught alive. something that terrifies their very soul. something like making them pee on electric wires. or something like pulling their nails off. or even pricing their pubic hair. this all sounds inhuman. but they deserve inhuman treatment. i

terror is the only treatment that should be giving to terrorists. they should be kept alive to receive the treatment.

fear is an essential part of human life and today is the time to use it.

so many from our civilized world avoid crime not because of the thought of living in a cage for years but because of the environment of the prison itself. its fear that keeps us from doing crime.

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AceNeerav
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posted December 01, 2008 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AceNeerav     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
u better go and see the documentary i linked u to and btw opium plants are called poppy plants.

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Xodian
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posted December 02, 2008 05:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ace, first off, you really do not have any idea how degrading public executions are, do you...? Public beheading for instance is the prefered method of execution in SA. Martyrdom in relation to terrorism? I doubt anyone would consider that after seeing that...

And as for your link, you aren't getting the distinction the article made between poppy growing operations and Opium trade. The Taliban did cut poppy production down but that was done to insure so that THEY controlled the market as they desired and OPIUM (The derivitive subtance from Poppy plants) was stockpiled and sold to fun their operations.

Do you get me now?

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AceNeerav
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posted December 02, 2008 06:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AceNeerav     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
if they are ready to be human bombs and tear themselves to shreds what's the deal in getting beheaded?

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Xodian
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posted December 02, 2008 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With a crowd looking upon them? And seeing the after effects of a public beheading? Yeah... I can verily say it sends the right message to the observers at hand.

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AceNeerav
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posted December 02, 2008 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AceNeerav     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lets not argue anymore over this. the point is there should be a horrifying punishment. i dont see why making them eat pork and letting them live in religious shame is a bad idea.

anywhich way, there are thousands of ways to humiliate them and atleast a few should be sort.

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AceNeerav, i'm pleased u brought up this subject cause i reacted on your other thread informing us about the terrorist attack in indiaby saying that something horrible should be done to them.

well, even though i admit i felt this way at the time, i don't think what i wrote was appropriate. their acts caused suffering, and I decided that the suffering they caused justified my anger. but afterwards i realised i justified my anger myself. i create it. i'm responsible for myself and i don't want to get involved in any way shape or form with them. i don't love them enough.

love to U

(by the way, i can't find it anymore and would like to edit it. if u find it, could u put the link in this thread so i correct my post?)

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posted December 02, 2008 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually I agree with Xodian that it will give them more reason and more credibility...We should take their credibility...by exposing them for fake money grabbing scumbags out to promote themselves...that would work better...you have to attack their credibility with the ppl

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AceNeerav
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posted December 03, 2008 02:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AceNeerav     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
there is something wrong with lindaland website. i have the url to the thread i made in terrorism hititng mumbai book marked. now when i click on it, it opens a thread on transiting pluto squaremars by -missneptune. something wrong with the server side programming.

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