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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted December 01, 2008 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

On Friday, September 14, 2007, ORB (Opinion Research Business), an independent polling agency located in London, published estimates of the total war casualties in Iraq since the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.[1] At over 1.2 million deaths (1,220,580), this estimate is the highest number published so far, outnumbering even the death toll of the recent Rwandan genocide.[2]

Out of a national sample of 1,499 Iraqi adults, 22% had one or more members of their household killed due to the Iraq War (poll accuracy +/-2.4%.) ORB reported that 48% died from a gunshot wound, 20% from car bombs, 9% from aerial bombardment, 6% as a result of an accident and 6% from another blast/ordnance. It is the highest estimate given so far of civilian deaths in Iraq and is consistent with the Lancet study.

On 28 January 2008, ORB published an update based on additional work carried out in rural areas of Iraq. Some 600 additional interviews were undertaken and as a result of this the death estimate was revised to 1,033,000 with a given range of 946,000 to 1,120,000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORB_survey_of_Iraq_War_casualties
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War#Casualty_estimates


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Media Coverage

A September 18, 2007 Media Lens article[6], titled "The Media Ignore Credible Poll Revealing 1.2 Million Violent Deaths In Iraq", reported:

"Another aspect of reality that has no place in the corporate media’s painted window was highlighted last Friday with the release (September 14) of a new report by the British polling organisation, Opinion Research Business (ORB). ORB is no dissident, anti-war outfit; it is a respected polling company that has conducted studies for customers as mainstream as the BBC and the Conservative Party."

The MediaLens article also reported:

"And yet, despite its obvious significance, the ORB study has been almost entirely blanked by the US-UK media. At time of writing, four days after the findings were announced, the poll has been mentioned in just one national UK newspaper - ironically, the pro-war Observer. It has been ignored by the Guardian and the Independent."

The World Socialist Website has also criticized the media for under reporting this survey.[7] A week after its release, in the USA, only the Los Angeles Times[3] carried the story, of the leading newspapers, although NPR[8] did a piece on it the following Tuesday. In the UK, BBC TV buried it in 81 words at the end of a 34 second segment[6] about a bombing in Baghdad on its flagship news magazine Newsnight. On the BBC website, it was described in 131 words tagged on at the end of an unrelated article with no mention of the study in the title[9]. In both the Newsnight and BBC online pieces the ORB figure was conflated with a figure purporting to measure only reported civilian deaths, most likely a small fraction of total deaths. The only report in the UK press was in The Observer where it was appended to a story on Alan Greenspan's saying Iraq was about oil[4]. In Australia the news remained unprinted even after a week.

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CBO has estimated the total cost of the war in Iraq to U.S. taxpayers will be around $1.9 trillion.

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AceNeerav
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posted December 02, 2008 04:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AceNeerav     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...and he wants to be remembered as a liberator of millions!

he sure liberated millions, but from earth itself!

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lotusheartone
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posted December 02, 2008 05:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and you 2 characters, do not add up!!!???

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NosiS
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posted December 02, 2008 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Enough with the vilifying...

As if these "numbers" make Bush just as evil as Saddam, if not worse. WTF, man! You can't be serious. . .

What about the other part of that poll? The part which showed that most of those who answered admitted that when compared to Saddam's reign, they felt they were better off with their present circumstances. . .

Oh, right. That's not important at all. We've got to focus on the numbers.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article1530762.ece

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posted December 16, 2008 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article5341882.ece

We are fighting the same terrorist disease
The President of Afghanistan thanks the British soldiers who are dying for his country

Hamid Karzai

In Afghanistan, and across the Muslim world, we have just celebrated the great Festival of Sacrifice - the Eid al-Adha. We came together with our families to mark an event known also to Jews and Christians: the willingness of Abraham (or Ibrahim, as we call him) to sacrifice his son in obedience to God.

But God intervened, and provided a lamb instead for the sacrifice. Which is why hundreds of millions of Muslims will have feasted this week on lamb - or whatever they can afford - to mark Abraham's acceptance of the will of God. And among them, in and around the holy city of Mecca, will have been millions - including tens of thousands of Afghans and Britons - who have completed the rigours of the great haj pilgrimage.

On Saturday I welcomed Gordon Brown to Kabul, for the third time since he became Prime Minister. A couple of weeks earlier I saw, here in Kabul, your Foreign Secretary, David Miliband. And a month ago I was in London for talks with British ministers, and as a proud guest at my dear friend Prince Charles's 60th birthday celebrations. Before that, I had received in Kabul, on the day of her burial here, in a land she loved, the family of Gayle Williams, the dedicated British charity worker tragically murdered here by terrorists.

In all those meetings, I made clear two things. First, and above all, my profound gratitude, and that of my people, for the sacrifice that thousands of British soldiers are making every day, in Helmand and across Afghanistan. Separated from their loved ones, alongside the Afghan Army and police, and allies from 40 other nations, they are fighting, and sometimes dying, for the sake of my long-suffering country. No words can express how truly grateful we Afghans are for that.

My second point was more subtle: that, for all the tensions of our present travails, the ties that bind our two countries are stronger and deeper than anything that separates us. As I have so often told my British friends, I, like so many Afghans, educated in Afghanistan, or abroad, grew up on British culture. Your knowledge of my country, and of this continent, of its history and geography, both physical and human, is more profound, and more sensitive, than that of any other nation.

Which is why I ask for your continuing understanding and support as my country struggles to treat a disease that has infected not just our Afghan lands but also, as we have seen from the attacks in Mumbai and on the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad, much of the region too: violence fed by uncompromising religious extremism. An extremism which profanes the religion that I share with two million British Muslims. We all need to remember always that the main reason why your brave troops are fighting here, alongside ours, is because that violence also threatens you in the West.

In Afghanistan we have endured 30 years of war. Some two million of my compatriots have been killed. Millions more have been maimed. Seven millions fled this land. But since 2001 five million refugees have returned. Schools have reopened.

After the long tyranny of the Taleban, our girls have been able to return to education, and, if they so choose, to work. For the first time, more than eight out of ten of my people have basic healthcare. And we have a vibrant democracy, and a vigorous free press.

All of that is thanks to your efforts, and those of our American and other partners, who have done so much to help us over the seven years since we gathered in Bonn after the fall of the Taleban. And all of it would be put in jeopardy without your continuing support. Not only that, but the disease of violent religious extremism that we are together trying to treat would spread and worsen.

As the struggle goes forward, you will see us assuming more and more of the burden. Already our army, trained and equipped by its American and British friends, is leading more than half the military operations against the terrorists. With my new Interior Minister, we are working hard with you to improve our police. Thanks to your generosity, and our imagination, we are together developing innovative ways of quelling the violence. You will see us taking more of a lead too in fighting the poverty and the propaganda on which the unrest feeds.

So, as you gather with your families this Christmas, and remember your countrymen's continuing sacrifice in my faraway land, I send you from the bottom of my heart the thanks of all Afghans everywhere. And, as you enjoy your Christmas dinner, I ask you to remember too the poor people of my country. While they give thanks for your sacrifice, so they sustain their own sacrifices in the fight against deprivation and ignorance, and against the cruel violence that feeds on both.

In the interval between the festival of sacrifice and the festival of Christ's birth let us renew our pledge to our common struggle.

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